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4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Also, I was talking about getting past Mahomes and being the top team in the league. I dont see that as likely this first year.
Not without an elite pass rush.
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4 hours ago, adam said:
They can also wait to see what they have at Center with Shelton and Bates.
If they signed two vets and don’t know what they have in them then we have bigger problems with this organization.
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17 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
We should pick up Connor Williams on a deal with a 3 year contract as our option next year. Let him heal and see where he is in October.
I'm 100% on board with this and it's possible Poles had an agreement with him to re-visit talks when he was healthier. (i.e.don't go anywhere without talking to us). There's no doubt Williams would prefer a longer term deal and most teams likely wanted to give him a 1yr deal or at least less guaranteed money. Maybe this is why he bypassed the center position in the draft. He kept enough cap space to make a deal like this.
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2 hours ago, CrackerDog said:
Borom should be odd man out regardless of the situation. Dude sucks.
...and yet I'd bet he finds work in the NFL for the next 5 years.
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4 hours ago, adam said:
These seem like the most likely guys to make the 53-man roster:
Brenden Bates, TE (still need a TE3)
Keith Randolph, DT (still need another DT)
Jamree Kromah, DE (could replace Robinson who has been ineffective so far)
Theo Benedet, OL (would be a back end replacement for someone like Borom ($3.1M cap savings))
Gosh, I sure hope our 3rd pick can be out a UDFA for the swing OT job.
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Hmm... what do we have here? You've got the arm length and strength needed to set the edge. With a 1.6 10yd split on his forty he has a very quick first step which can be seen when he lines up at 3-tech. Watching these highlights he's got a little bend to him. Competition level is an obvious concern but there are highlights here where he is shedding a double team to make a tackle. 600lbs of whatever is still 600lbs. They used him across the front too which won't help his development at DE but does showcase his versatility. Very similar to DeMarcus Walker but quicker.
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2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
The anchoring part is somewhat of a comfort, because Patrick was a Matador. I guess I need to hit the film instead of bitching about what I want.
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3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
We had Whitehair, Patrick, Kramer and Feeney last year. Do Bates and Shelton have any better pedigree?
Bates is a lot stronger anchoring than Patrick. He just doesn’t always have the best footwork. As long as he gets it right early in the block he’s good. Can the coaches get him to avoid the missteps? Caleb and I both hope so.
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50 minutes ago, CrackerDog said:
I think Bates has a chance of making the team.
Possibly but TE is a tough position to learn. Seems like we’d be better off grabbing a cheap vet.
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11 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
It seems like Poles always finds a few UDFAs that make the roster. This year it will be Randolph and Reddy Stewart, a DT and CB.
There is a big difference in the roster we have going into 2024 versus going into 2022, or even last year. There is a glaring need for a 4th DT on our roster and that gives Randolph a fighting chance but beyond his hustle on plays he doesn't offer much athletically. I expect Poles will be looking to bring in more vet FA competition for that spot. We might not even know who the 4th DT is until other teams make their cuts in training camp. Everywhere else it's going to be tough for any UDFA to make the roster. Somebody will have to show they are a special teams maven to stick.
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8 hours ago, AZ54 said:
There has to be some character or health concerns with Austin Booker. It's not just us avoiding him.
There was some weird karma going on with the fact we were drafting him as I was posting this.
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19 minutes ago, adam said:
A trade for an early 5th rounder. They got their guy who some expected to go at #122, at #144 so depending on the trade value, it seems like a great pick.
It cost next year's 4th. So assuming they are a fringe playoff team, that pick is in the 120s for 144.
That's good value. Booker is almost certainly a 3rd Rd pick next year if he stayed in school. Maybe even high 2nd Rd and athletically he has traits to be a low 1st Rd talent. Lots of development needed but he's already better than DomRobinson (super low bar) and might compare as a pass rusher to Walker. By the end of the season he'll probably be better than anything we saw out of Ngakoue last year which was a horrifying low bar considering what we paid him.
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All smiles here in AZ! At least in the East Valley.
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19 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
When I first heard it, I hated it. Thought about it for a few and hated it. Then thought, who am I? Still don't understand it, but who am I?
I've been crying for a stud center for three years and we've yet to get one. Maybe the backup we traded from the Bills will be the guy. All I know, is I better not see a turnstile up the middle this year.
Has to be the biggest disappointment of this offseason. Odunze was just too good for them to pass up.
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15 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
for sure. If Poles had a great pass rushing prospect or 3T still on the board, he'd have taken him.
Remember with the NIL money keeping underclassmen in college, this draft was a very shallow one. You can think of a 4th round pick in this year as being like a 6th or 7th in another year. That's part of why we traded our lower picks away too.
Also, our roster is getting full, so it's going to be harder for any young lower round pick to make the team anyway.There has to be some character or health concerns with Austin Booker. It's not just us avoiding him.
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As long as the QB pans out nothing else will matter but overall this was a good offseason for our roster. We're finally getting to some depth in places that nobody talked about all offseason (i.e. LB, CB except for Jaylon's contract). Two years into the rebuild with 3 offseasons behind us, the first of which was the tear down phase, this is a good effort by Poles.
This year's draft didn't have a ton of depth so he used some of the late picks 4th/5th on adding good depth that can contribute this year. We have good draft capital next year which will have a much deeper talent pool. Plus we're in good shape with cap space.
For 2025 the only key contributors I see on OTC that we'll have to make a contract decision on are Teven Jenkins and Keenan Allen. We only have 33 players under contract but $76mil in cap space. Poles will be in the driver seat. Add in that he said in the press conference that it's getting easier to sign FAs as the team improves. If the team plays well this year some of those vet FAs that are looking for a winning team might come our way for less money.
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Absolute specialist at putting punts inside the 20. It really sucks the wind out of our sails drafting a punter right after we supposedly drafted a generational QB and WR to score points.
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My WTF moment arrives in Poles 3rd draft. Now I have to go figure out what this kid has to offer but NFL Network (Rich Eisen) spoke glowingly about him.
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1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Well said and I agree - we have two really good vets and both hopefully will help Rome (and Scott) and heck maybe even Velus (cause Velus physical skills are legitimately good).
The only thing helping Velus are the new kickoff rules.
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19 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
I agree, for his pocket manipulation skills and his big play hunting and gunslinger mentality.
He has some Mahomes in him too when plays break down.
I cant wait to see it all happen. I really hope luck is with him, and it all works out like it should.Let’s hope the Tom Brady type traits start to show up in year one.
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Jason ... so far you've got the hat trick and we are 3 for 3 on offense.
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4 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
They filled a need , swing T. He has traits, Braxton started as a rookie. Maybe that happens again. I'm listening to CHGO podcast and they praise Poles then they complain that he didn't take who they wanted. Poles took Kiran because he won't make it to 122. Trust in Poles.
Based on what I've seen on Youtube we grabbed him right where he was rated. TheDraftNetwork.com ranked him 64 overall so that a steal at 75. He's never had anything in coaching, nutrition, workouts, etc like what he is about to experience his first season. We'll have to wait for it if you take a long term view of roster building this isn't a bad pick.
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Yikes. I wanted someone that could contribute more this year and I don't see anything from him other than swing OT in 2024. The fact we had him in for a visit means we've done enough of a workout to have a good idea. He has a lot of good traits and there is potential to develop into a legit long term starter at LT. ...and he grew up in the Chicago area?
edit: After watching several videos it appears he has legit long term LT starter potential.
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think Williams will bring out the dog (more) in everyone by setting an example of hyper-competitiveness.
I learned so much about Williams' character and personal style yesterday, and I couldn't be happier.I truly believe Williams has matured over the last six months. I also believe he wasn’t sold on Chicago. He stated clearly that he had a really good 30 visit and since then, even in the media, he has been more upbeat about playing there. I can’t blame him for thinking about the possibility of playing in his home town, and even wanting that to happen. Poles, Flus, the staff, and his new teammates did a solid job recruiting him. That showed thru loud and clear when he hit the stage. I think they gave him some perspective too on how to handle himself. Jaylon was clear about leaving all the Hollywood stuff behind.
Caleb Williams, QB, USC selected #1 overall
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Caleb is a QB with generational arm talent. That's it, although he has other positive traits. He has a ton of learning to do. Ball security is horrible with 30 fumbles in college. Deep passing is inaccurate but should improve IF he can improve his footwork in the pocket. He needs a lot of work to get rid of the happy feet. He is a rare arm talent that can get away with that on shorter throws simply because he can throw off-angle but IMO when you start getting beyond 20yds it really affects his accuracy. A bunch of his "big play" highlights showed open receivers having to make big adjustments to the ball, adjustments that usually brought the coverage back into the play.
Over-selling him for what he is at this point won't change any of the bad habits. IMO he's got the work ethic but he needs to hear the criticism to drive him to improve. I hope our coaches are already in his ear doing just that. To start with, this year he needs to do what he too often refused to do at USC.... take the easy read and let his teammates do the work. There will be times when plays break down and then he can go do his thing. I just hope the plays aren't breaking down because he is still bypassing the open early-read while looking for the big gain.
Bottom line for me is that this year his teammates need to lift his play. He has the players around him to do that if he just lets them do their job.