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12 minutes ago, adam said:
#8 - QB, Michael Penix Jr to ATL? Are you freaking kidding me? Holy shit. Run up with Odunze's name now!
I felt the trade back here was good but if they have Odunze rated that highly I’m good with it. Makes Keenan a one year rental unless he wants to stick around on a team friendly deal. I could see him go right back to LA for that.
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3 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
I am still stuck between Fashanu and Odunze at #9. I truly dont know which is better - they're both great and each would help a lot.
I will be happy of both are available ay #9 and Poles gets his choice.If Fashanu is starting LT caliber there is no contest you take him. From some of the film I’ve seen I have my doubts about his movement skills but he’s also really young. Poles will also likely have given him the same workout treatment he gave to Darnell Wright.
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32 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
fair enough. I would counter that Fields is worse than those other QBs, but given the event that about to unfold, i will leave it be
I cant wait for Caleb Williams. I am so excited for our future. We have waited for 40 years, wandering in NFL desert, to be relevant again, and we have never had a QB like Williams in franchise history.
We are the only franchise in the league to have never had a 4,000 yard passing season in our history. And we are about to get a guy that could potentially be one of the best ever.
We are looking at super bowls, and Packer dominance. A long time coming, and I am SO ready for this next chapter!I hope you are correct but his history says he could just as easily fumble his way out of town. 30 fumbles in college is a lot and defenders only get bigger faster and smarter in the NFL. As Jay Gruden said if those fumbles were INTs people would be questioning it a lot more. There’s a lot of talk that he’s a finished product yet he has many things to improve up in the NFL. He’s not the tallest either so I’m expecting teams will try to keep him in the pocket and avoid those extended plays. His quick release will help him avoid batted passes. Not to mention all the crazy arm angles he throws from. It’ll be really hard for a DT to predict the release point.
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3 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
I also think the NFL prefers teams to wait - even though technically the Bears could announce they are selecting him and actually sign him to a contract before the draft.
Agreed, that makes for better TV.
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A week or two ago I asked why Poles hasn't declared Caleb will be the first pick in the draft? This is now the worst kept secret in the NFL especialy after watching his pre-draft press conference when he was talking about Caleb in glowing terms. After reflecting on that a bit I now believe he's just doing this to give that moment to Caleb. Caleb has been very clear this has been one of his goals for a long time. IMO that's a class move by Poles not to steal the spotlight and that moment from him by making the announcement early.
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22 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Seems like the most logical move. We brought in many players that are in the second round range that tells me he will trade back to get a pick there. Everyone wants a blue chip, he knows if those players are probable at a lower pick.
I would say he’s keeping his options open. First see who is still on the board at 9 then compare against any offers you get.
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4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I don't think anyone knows what Poles has in mind. For the last two years no-one has got it right.
Not entirely correct. Some of us had Darnell Wright as the target. All the glory goes to the dice that I rolled.
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If there was tampering it affects the entire league not just the Vikings. Any other team, including Chicago, could have pursued Cousins, although there is a logical end to the list of suitors. So the Bears were potentially harmed, as were other teams. Awarding the ATL pick to Minn further harms the Bears and the other teams that could have pursued Cousins. If they do that they are idiots.
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If you pick at 9 you should come away with a blue chip player at a premium position. These days with colleges running so many wide open offenses it’s not hard to find a good WR outside the top 15. If you really want a WR at 9 you should just trade down maybe way down to late first. Otherwise the drop off at the premium positions OT DE QB is rapid.
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2 hours ago, jason said:
For being so hyped and “generational,” for throwing away Fields, there js zero doubt that Williams better produce immediately. And ten wins is a must. Without each, it’s a disappointment.
Williams doesn’t have to go for 4K and 30TDs, but for the drastic turn this franchise is about to take, there is VERY little room for excuses.
Never thought I’d say this but we just need Caleb to do what Geno did in Waldrons offense. In that light it sure doesn’t seem like a high bar.
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6 hours ago, CrackerDog said:
With only a few days until the draft are you getting excited or do you have anxiety? All the conjecture and BS stops on draft night. Are the anti-Williams folks resigned to the choice or still hoping for a last minute surprise? Is your focus more on the second pick at this point? I’m hoping for an Offensive Tackle myself
More importantly, how are you feeling about the season? Things should be much improved but we’ll have a rookie QB. There are obvious exceptions but usually that’s a tough first year.
Lastly, are there any FA’s left that you’d add depending on what happens in the draft?
This anti-Williams fan is finally seeing a different side of Williams, a more mature one that fits what I expect from a starting NFL QB. More importantly for me is that this is the actually the first time I've ever seen Caleb genuinely smile when talking about the Bears (when he mentions the good time he had on his 30 visit).
Talent for me was never the biggest issue although I do still have concerns about some of his bad habits such as bad throws under pressure, and how loosely he carries the ball when scrambling. Plus he's not the most accurate deep passer but he's good enough.
I was more worried about 1) would he even play in Chicago, and 2) would he have the work ethic and maturity to handle this job in the NFL. Kudos to Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark, and Fred Taylor for putting together a quality interview, really a deep dive into the person who is Caleb Williams.
I remember after we drafted Trubisky I came across an article about Mahomes. In short, during college Mahomes was totally focused on getting to the NFL. He wasn't into the party scene, didn't drink, just focused on football. I had him as my 1b to Trubisky as 1a because I'd seen him have numerous multi INT games where he'd make risky throws all over the field. If I had known the character side of both players there's no way I'd have taken Trubisky over Mahomes. Looking back it's clear Trubisky doesn't really want to put in the effort to be a starting QB, not physical but the mental side with film study.
After listening to him in this interview now I don't see that being a problem with Caleb. I also feel like he's gained some maturity or perspective on things as he's gone through the draft process. Without saying it directly, it seems to me he hints that there are some things he'll do differently and better in the future.
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8 hours ago, Connorbear said:
If Marvin Harrison Jr. falls to 5, would you trade the #9 pick and our first round pick next year to move up and draft him?
Peace
No too rich for me. Also the drop off to the 3rd or even 4th/5th best WRs isn't that great this year. We also have Bowers out there as a really good receiving option, and with the right supporting cast he might pose more of a problem to defenses than Harrison.
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4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
no, it's not a higher risk. more busts come out of each later round than in the first round.
What I think you've discovered is that more unexpected players are able to break out of the mold at lower rounds at WR than OL. But lower round picks are still much more likely to bust?Depends on how you define "risk". If you simply look at it as a numbers game then yes there are more failures in later rounds. If you look at it in terms of investment, not just money but also opportunity cost then the miss on a top ten pick is really bad.
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6 hours ago, adam said:
Just an interesting way to look at it, but if you think about it, players going to 8-10 teams have no realistic shot at a Super Bowl in their first contracts, maybe even their careers, just by being picked by the wrong team. That has to be depressing. You work your butt off for 20+ years to end up with the worst company in your sector, and you are stuck there at least 4-5 years.
I don’t buy that argument. I’d buy the crappy GM drafted you argument better. Even teams with bad QBs always can find decent options to pair with a good roster. It might take a year or three to get that FA QB but in the meantime you’re building everywhere else on the roster. Derek Carr. Cousins. Just look at what Shanahan has done with cast off QBs. That includes Purdy because nobody wanted him. If a GM is doing their job right you should be on a competitive roster in year 3. Year 4 at the latest.
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49 minutes ago, adam said:
Barton is shooting up boards for some reason. The team might not have used a top-30 visit on some guys, but could've visited them during their Pro-Day, at one of the All-Star games, or at the combine. Also, any player within the Chicago-metro area does not need to count against the top-30 visits and they don't have to announce those.
Because he was underrated coming into the draft process. I saw him in one game midsession. He was just stonewalling guys and making it look easy.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
I drafted the best center prospect with my trade. Barton will probably go before JPJ. (JPJ has a concussion history) He started out as a center and ended up at left tackle because he was so athletic. The boards are changing that way. If be happy with either.
If the Bears have Barton rated that highly I wouldn’t argue the pick over JPJ.
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56 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think this is just writers speculating because the Bears brought him in for a 30 visit.
Maybe they really are interested, I dont know, but i dont think these articles have any inside info, just connecting dots we already knew.
If the Bears have too much money invested in Kmet right now to take on another TE1, they might well be meeting him because he would be an excellent trade or free agency target in the future, so good to make connections and start the book on him now?
No matter what, Odunze and Bowers are both big time talents, and someone will take them each early. And each of them would look great in a Bears uniform.True. They do say if we go pass catcher at 9.
also true the only value at 9 would be Odunze or Bowers.
really easy for a writer to throw that out there.
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51 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
I'm drafting him to be an OG, since I don't trust any of our guards. He would be an absolute animal next to Wright. Let Davis and Jenkins battle it out. Since Waldron runs a lot of two and three TE sets, strength up the middle is more useful. (Kinda like Sean Peyton runs) I've been criticized for drafting him so high to be OG, but where would you draft Larry Allen if you thought he would be that dude?
sorry I sent that before reading the whole thread which was blowing up quickly. I see your strategy but if it were me I’d rather take JPJ at 13. Glaring need. Blue chip talent and no position change adjustment needed. He’s good enough to slide out to G IMO so that pick covers depth at all the interior spots. I see Killer’s point about the value but we are talking about investing in protecting a #1 QB. Sometimes you can’t always get the value proposition right while the downside risk to the higher value position of QB means if he’s your guy you just take him.
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20 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
You ask. I deliver!
I’m curious with your Oline background what you see in Fuaga. He seems a bit stiff not as fluid as I’d like for a LT. I think he’ll be fine at RT but we got one. I like Barton a lot.
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I don't have many because without a big trade this is kind of a 2 pick draft with a cherry on top. I don't know a fast way to format this so I'm just pulling off a top 100 list. Likes are only going to be guys that standout to me so you'll see some surprises like Odunze not on my list because I think we can similar value later in the 1st.
Likes:
MHJ, Nabors (elite quickness),
Bowers,
Latu, Verse, Turner - we get better with any of these 3
Powers-Johnson
Byron Murphy, backup option at 3-tech Orhorhoro (he's raw but if he's coachable...)
McConkey.
Graham Barton (can he play OC?)
Nubin,
Zach Frazier (not ideal for the scheme but more than good enough and he ain't going anywhere in pass pro),
Polk .
Dislikes:
Alt (seems to get too high and power gets under him which reminds me of the current guy but yeah, I'm a minority on that. Part of my thinking is the value proposition - i.e. for that pick how much better are going to get versus say adding Turner or Verse?
Legette- seems to win with muscle not finesse. At the NFL level that balances out.
Fatanu - a little slow in movement and how can a big dude like that have such tiny hands.
Newton - way too slow off the snap for me. He has 2nd/3rd step quickness once he's in motion but NFL OGs are going to have their hands on him early and can match his lateral quickness better. He doesn't have the levers to fight it off. I think he ends up more rotational player than starter.
Chop - for all that athleticism he has to do something with it. What's the saying? All sizzle and no steak.
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13 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I agree in a long term sense but they will draft one probably in the third. The best rookie WR was pick 177 last year. Puka Nacua. How about Brendan Rice? Already has a connection with him. Great QBs make WRs better. Never know where that is coming from.
We need WRs with more wiggle than Brendan Rice so they can get open.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think it would take more than next year's two to do it, but if it took next year's number one, straight up, it would be a good move, like picking him higher than our pick will be and getting him one year early. And it'd be too good of a deal for us, so Id expect wed have to throw in #9 this year too of course, and now next years first is a little rich, so we will take the chargers second this year to even it out.
So we'd get #5 this year and the Charger's second rounder this year, for our #9 and next year's first?
I might do that if I thought MHJr was going to be Randy Moss or his dad.
I was just giving up one of next years' 2nd. Not sure about your proposal, I'm really hesitant about giving up a 1st Rd pick.
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Anyone else hearing the noise around MHJr wanting to play in Chicago? Sports journos with Big Ten connections were out yesterday saying as odd as this is the noise around it won't go away. If he fell to 5 they proposed a trade up with the Chargers giving up one of next years 2nd Rd picks. It leaves holes on the roster but I'd do that because who is going to cover our WR corps? Plus we don't have to extend Keenan Allen freeing up money next year to fix the holes. Mostly I think this is a pre-draft boredom and speculation but every year there are weird twists in the top 10.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
Young faced the same bad circumstance Justin did. Maybe worse. I truly believe franchises can ruin players. I firmly believe we would have ruined Mahomes with our atrocious OL. Williams will have the full benefit of a solid foundation to start his career. Just like Mahomes. All told, Young has a chance, but the odds are now stacked against him.
I guess I was the only one who didn't like his relatively weak arm (by NFL standards). I just never saw NFL QB in him but draft wizards had me outgunned. I think regardless of circumstances his career arc will trend toward bridge QB. Good enough to be a sometimes starter. On the flip side I didn't understand all the criticism of Stroud but I only watched one or two of his games late in the season. I think they said he had more struggles early on. Regardless, with no dog in the fight, I was happy to take DJ Moore and a truckload of picks.
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