Lucky Luciano

this is no hire because he was an 85 bear like you hear some people clammering for every player on that team as their coach. leslie frazier has made his bones coaching. he has been coaching for over 25 years and 16 of those in the nfl. in college he was a head coach for Trinity College for 9 years before coaching DB's at Illinois for 2 years. he moved to the NFL in 1999 as DB coach for the eagles and coached there for 3 years. then moved up the ladder in 2003 to the bengals as their defensive coordinator under marv lewis for 2 years. in 2005 he moved to the colts as DB coach under dungy and was coaching against us in the 2006 superbowl. in 2007 he went to minny as their DC/assistant HC for 4 years. in 2008 be became their HC until his firing in 2013. his nfl record: 1999 eagles DB coach - passing - 15th yds gained; 19th for TD's; 11th for NY/A 2000 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 2nd TD's; 3rd NY/A 2001 eagles DB coach - passing - 2nd yds gained; 2nd TD's; 4th NY/A 2002 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 7th TD's; 2nd NY/A frasier worked under jim johnson his entire time in philly. the learning experience he gained under johnson had to have at least some effect from one of the best. EDIT i forgot to add the passing and rushing stats. his defense improved the 2nd season which shows progress as him as a DC with the bengals. 2003 bengals - defensive coordinator - 28th points allowed; 28th yds allowed passing - 24th yds; 22nd TD's; NY/A 27th rushing - 25th yds; 26th TD's; 30th Y/A 2004 bengals - defensive coordinator - 21st points allowed; 19th yds passing - 13th yds; 17th TD's; NY/A 12th rushing - 26th yds; 12th TD's; Y/A 22nd after leslies departure the bengals got no better on defense and worse in some stats. 2005 colts - DB coach - passing - 15th yds; 6th TD's; 10th NY/A 2006 colts - DB coach - passing - 2nd yds; 5th TD's; 13th NY/A worked under DC ron meeks and dungy as HC 2007 vikings DC - 12th pts; 20th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 32nd yds; 15th TD's; NY/A 18th rushing - 1st yds; 3rd TD's; Y/A 2nd 2008 vikings DC/AHC - 13th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 18th yds; 5th TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 1st yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 2nd 2009 vikings DC/AHC - 10th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 19th yds; 23rd TD's; NY/A 16th rushing - 2nd yds; 1st TD's; Y/A 6th 2010 vikings HC - 18th pts; 8th yds passing - 9th yds; 21st TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 9th yds; 10th TD's; Y/A 9th 2011 vikings HC - 31st pts; 21st yds passing - 26th yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 25th rushing - 11th yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 6th 2012 vikings HC - 14th pts; 16th yds passing - 24th yds; 23 TD's; NY/A 10th rushing - 11th yds; 8th TD's; Y/A 7th 2013 vikings HC - 32nd pts; 31st yds passing - 31st yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 23rd rushing - 16th yds; 18th TD's; Y/A 13th as a head coach.... no. as a defensive coordinator... yes. he has proven he can at least coach in the nfl on that level and has worked with some of the best in that area. is he the best out there? probably not but in my opinion he is light years better than what we have. if we find someone better great. if not this is a very good option.

WAAAAIIIT A MINUTE... this is BUTTHEADS KID!!! well now, that changes everything LOL!! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...571/drew-butler

not sure what to think. no stats for 2013? anyway here is a link to his draft profile... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/dre...tler?id=2533003

i stand corrected. he did start the leap around the 16 yd line. his trailing foot comes down around the 13 BUT if the ball is untouched the trajectory puts it on or near the 10 like i said. if he makes the catch he comes down on the 11 yardline. 1. >>I 2. this is so petty i can hardly believe you are trying to argue the point. a "world class, franchise QB" would have led him blah, blah, blah. are you freaking serious? so tom brady, peyton manning, brees, young, favre, unitis, montana, on-and-on-and-so-forth always throw/threw perfect balls and always made completions to their receivers "in stride"? this isn't a video game, this is what receivers do. sometimes the ball is thrown perfect and sometimes it's on the receiver to make the adjustment to make that catch. that is the game of football. 3. REALITY CHECK: first... the last i heard soldier field is not in a vacuum or for that matter even in a dome. i know the winds weren't blowing through your tv screen but they were in chicago that day. here is the game day weather forcast: "Forecast: Cloudy, with a high temperature of 28 degrees. Breezy, with a north northwest wind 15 to 20 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70 percent, with new snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible." hmmmm.... let's see, what endzone were the bears trying to score in during the 4th quarter? oh yea, the NORTH endzone!! in other words cutler was throwing into a 15 to 30 mph wind. you know, now that i think about it, maybe it WAS a great throw and not just good +. he put nearly a FORTY YARD pass into a position for our receiver to catch it in the redzone. first: i never called cutler elite because at this time he is NOT. second: you mean like the pin-point accuracy of the elite rogers two picks? or do you mean the "elite" qb rating that day of rogers at 85.2 vs. cutlers 103.8? also it's pretty easy to 'drop footballs in a net from 50 yards' when you have no defenders to interfere with your aim. ok so you are saying a 38.5 yard pass into the wind in soldier field in december and putting it where your receiver can make a play on it whether in 'stride' or NOT is a BAD PASS? really?? finally, you really need to get your posts straight. you can't specifically comment to someone in reference to a comment by some other poster. it's untenable and a waste of time for the person you are replying to.

maybe you have a magic screen that displays things differently than the rest of the world. if not, the ball is in the air and if jeffrey doesn't touch it it lands on the ten but... i guess if we want to get it exactly to the fraction of an inch so you can be right the ball was released when cutler was on about the 46.5 yardline of chicago give or take 1/32nd of an inch. it's trajectory before the ball is touched by jeffrey leaping in the air on the 13.1 yardline brings it down on about on the 10 yard 6 inch line give or take 1/64 of an inch. if the ball is thrown longer to hit jeffrey "in stride" as you say to make it a good + pass the ball would have sailed out of bounds. thus the pass could have called for a 38 1/2 yard route. so i surmise (pure conjecture on my part) seeing the trajectory of the ball jeffrey makes an adjustment like normal receivers do on 38 1/2 yard passes and slows his route (which could have been jeffrey's fault for making his break a fraction of a second too soon off the LOS) and goes up to make a soft catch of a ball on it's downward trajectory and drops it. when did i EVER say that cutler's throw was leading the receiver? it was a long thrown ball that was in the same zipcode of our receiver 38.5 yards downfield with a more than reasonable chance for a receiver to make the catch inbounds for a long gain. haven't you ever seen a receiver come back for a ball by design or not? revisionist? that's pretty funny dude. please show me in any of my posts that i said cutler purposely tried to throw the ball short for any reason at all. finally... no matter what you think (or don't think) it was a good pass that gave our receiver a chance to move our offense into the redzone. you can hate on cutler or nit-pick it in your micro view of the play but it does not change the fact that it was a good throw and should easily have been caught. and THAT is all i can ask of any quarterback.

cutler throws this ball from our own 45 to the packers 10. that's 40 yards in the air. jeffrey slows down to make the catch and has position on the defender. the ball drops right on target into his hands and he doesn't make the catch. i don't care if he had to come out of stride or not, that was a good + throw and the receivers responsibility to make that catch.. jeffrey makes that catch 99 times out of a hundred. the ball was there. marshall made nearly the same catch earlier in the game.

have just heard on the score (jim miller) that our defensive players were possibly confused as to the type of coverage. also that the way it was set up they had jennings covering the freaking tight end while our safeties were covering the receiver. just one more log on the fire to FIRE tucker. what a joke.

a freudian slip? hmmmmm..... no mention of mel tucker his DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? i did NOT like the all-out blitz many have no problem with. although we had three sacks during this game we had nearly no pressure on him 98% of the time. he had all day to stand in the pocket prior to this play and to expect OUR safeties to cover green bays wide outs is ludicrous. our blitzes are telegraphed on nearly every occasion and to send everyone up the middle to clog up the center is poor scheming. if they wanted to blitz the moon why in the hell not send someone from the outside in and pinch rogers behind the middle of his offensive line where his vision is at least limited somewhat? it was such a mess in the middle with no heavy pressure that kuhn actually could chip peppers coming in off the corner and allow rogers the edge. these blitzes remind me of the babich/lovie blitzes of the past. NO imagination or concept how your opponent will react.

long ball hail mary throws are high risk plays and only for a last chance in the last second of the game. we threw THREE. if we had worked it down the field (like we have seen in the past against us with ELEVEN seconds to lose under lovie) we certainly could have worked it downfield with the time we had left and the timeout. it would have given us a legitimate chance to run our offense with lower risk passing plays. to me this is trestmans baby. it's some stuff he needs to clean up this offseason along with his 4th down risks for no reason.

i have to agree. he has a 103.8 passer rating and people are unhappy with it?? cutler in my opinion had a very good game yesterday. in fact in the first half i believe cutler only threw a couple of bad balls. there were MULTIPLE drops by receivers that were at critical junctions for a first down. a fumble by jeffrey killed a drive in the last half of the 2nd quarter. or how about the TOP the first half? 18 minutes and 52 seconds!!! our defense cut out at least one series the bears could have been on the field by stopping nobody. it could have been miles worse without the int's in the redzone. let's talk about the play calling: why are we throwing the ball in the first series at all? the packers are decimated in the linebacker corp and are poor against the run. yet we pass the ball deep in our own territory without trying to run it? the last series is totally on trestman. that was one of the worst clock management and play calls i have witnessed. we had 1 timeout and about 30 seconds on the clock and we are on our own 40 yardline. what the hell is he thinking throwing hail mary passes? you work the freaking sideline and move the ball 10 to 15 yards a play to get you into position to actually have a realistic chance to win the game with your offense. in my opinion it was pitiful play calling.

to me he is a top candidate after being fired by minny today. phillips is my first, but frazier is right up at the top. he has made his bones in the nfl and proven himself as a DC. my biggest fear is we set a record for BAD and want to continue to run it with a DC who has NEVER done anything good in the NFL. this will be another strike against emery if he decides to keep tucker.

i believe it was a good to very good throw. this is the throws you expect from a qb with the big receivers we have. this is what we have been calling for all season. the ball dropped right into JEFFREY'S hands above the defender. he just dropped it.

seems light on cutlers contract. can't imagine he gets less than 10 million a year. other teams would pay that to him. if so great deal.

also heard they are sitting earl bennet? some strange end of season moves.

when i talk about bad i don't mean just bad, i mean historically bad. some of/the worst in NFL history and THE worst in chicago bear history. 2012 new orleans saints allowed more yards in one season than any team in NFL history. total yards 7042 passing yards - 4681 rushing - 2361 - 5.2 YPA steve spagnuolo DC - FIRED after one season of badness 1981 baltimore colts - mike mccormack - defensive minded head coach - FIRED after his 2nd season as HC. total yards - 6793 passing yards - 4128 rushing yards - 2665 - 4.4 YPA the chicago bears after 15 games with mel tucker as our defensive coordinator total yards after 15 games - 5840 passing yards - 3417 rushing yards - 2423 - 5.4 YPA ======================== worst run defenses 1960 forward DEFENSIVE RUSHING BADNESS 2013 chicago bears 2423 rushing yds - YPA 5.4 after 15 games. so far only the '61 vikings have a worse YPA record and this season isn't even over. modern era of professional footbal - 1960 forward 1961 vikings - 2667 yds 5.41 YPA - 14 game season 2006 colts - 2768 yds - 5.33 YPA - DC meeks with dungey NOT fired 1965 oilers (AFL) - 2683 - 5.29 YPA - 14 game season 2012 saints - 2361 yds - 5.2 YPA 2003 chiefs - 2344 yds - 5.17 YPA 1976 chiefs - 2344 yds - 5.17 YPA 2008 lions - 2754 yds - 5.14 YPA 1961 raiders - 2440 yds - 5.10 YPA 1973 patriots - 2850 yds - 5.09 YPA 1969 bengals - 2951 yds - 5.07 YPA 1960 cowboys - 2242 yds - 5.02 YPA - 14 game season 2011 bucs - 2497 yds - 5.0 YPA older era 1930's - 1959 1934 cincinnati reds - 6.40 YPA 1950 N.Y.Yanks - 5.63 YPA 1950 colts - 5.58 YPA 1959 redskins - 5.48 YPA ============= some of the worst pass defenses in NFL history 2011-12 Green Bay Packers: 4,796 Yards (15-1) 2011-12 New England Patriots: 4,704 Yards (13-3) 1995-96 Atlanta Falcons: 4,541 Yards, (9-7) 2005-06 San Francisco 49ers: 4,427 Yards (4-12) 1986-87 New York Jets: 4,389 Yards (10-6) 1981-82 San Diego Chargers: 4,311 Yards (10-6) 2010-11 Houston Texans: 4,280 Yards (6-10) 2013 chicago bears after 15 games - 3417 yds why would we even consider keeping tucker for any reason? he has no defensive scheme because all but one year he worked under defensive minded head coaches and ran theirs. the ONE year he ran his own defense with an offensive minded head coach and it was all on his shoulders as a DC (after THREE years in jacksonville) here is what he finished out with... 29th for points allowed and 30th for yards!! his coaching CEILING is the bottom 1/3 of the NFL and his bottom floor you need a steam shovel to keep digging to find it!! the jags had to be jumping for joy we offered him a contract.

i didn't explain it i guess very well in my post. mccnown to me is a key part of this puzzle if cutler goes. the difference with mccown in chicago for 2+ years if we let cutler go is we have an option to draft a qb at the slot we pick or POSSIBLY in a later round (i still would try to move up myself anyway). it gives us time for a project qb that can be groomed for a season or two behind mccown who equals someone who at least can play average ball at qb. without mccown for that time period, and we draft a project qb, we are basically screwed. our defense is in shambles and can't compensate for this training period. in fact we will have put our defense back a year by using our highest pick for a qb so if this happens we are in total rebuild mode with neither side of the ball playing at a high level.

i just don't see it. if you look at tuckers resume he has done nothing in the NFL to justify even the initial hire by emery let alone keep him. even with the injuries look at the rookies this guy has worked with on our team. in all truth they have not gotten ANY better and in my opinion have regressed from the start of the season. this tells a lot about his coaching abilities. if we are going to revamp this defense through the draft we need someone who can actually teach these rookies how to play in the NFL and tucker is not the guy to do it. in fact he hasn't even controlled the veterans we have on this team in regards to tackling and gap control. i know a lot of people talk about his abilities to run a 3-4 defense. it is far from the truth. in his first season as a DC he was an understudy of romeo crennel and that lasted one season before he was fired. it was crennel's defense, not something tucker was bringing to the table. and to be honest that defense was not very good... 2008 browns DC - with defensive minded coach romeo crennel the browns ran a 3-4 defense. this was the first year as a coordinator - overall rank for pts. = 16th; total yds given up = 26th; passing: ranked 14th for passing yds; 10th for passing td's allowed; net yards gained per pass attempt = 29th rushing: totaly yds = 28th; rushing td's = 21; yds per attempt = 25th if we don't get rid of tucker this misery will continue until we do and stunt our chances to win a superbowl by years.

in my opinion it does change everything. if mccown is not an option for the next 1-2 years we have 3 options even if cutler plays poorly next week... 1. we sign cutler anyway to a reasonable contract and if trestman is half of what everyone says he is he can clean up cutlers game next season. if he can't at least it buys us time. this gives us 3 years to look for his replacement. 2. we dump cutler and MAYBE mccown plays out 1 more year at a higher contract. if this happens we HAVE to waste a top pick on the QB position. where we are going to pick is HIGH RISK we find a franchise quarterback in that slot or even one that is serviceable. the only option i see in this scenario is we move *up drastically to pick a qb with high potential in the first. if mccown stays we have a 1 year window to make this guy able to play at a high level. if mccown leaves we are throwing this guy in the fire and hoping for the best with no credible backup. if we lose our picks on defense this year for a qb we are up against the wall for emery to bring in GOOD stop gap aging players. if we do this again we are up against the wall cap-wise. option 2 is rolling the dice for this franchise. if it does NOT work out with a high draft pick qb we have just sentenced ourselves to hell for at least 3-4 years with the same type of qb mutts we have fielded for nearly 30 years and no #1 pick next year. 3. we bring in a **journeyman qb in free agency and seriously GAMBLE this guy can play at a high level. if he can't even playout as average we end up with the same scenario as in #2. by this time our offense is aging and current contracts are up. we end up without marshall and probably forte and no serviceable qb. *we may not even HAVE enough to do this and if we do that will kill our 2nd and/or 3rd round pick and probably next years first to do it. ** to find a franchise quality qb not in his last season or two in the nfl is RARE. only angelo could have blown that scenario by not picking up brees.

try this link to nfl.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000030...m-practice-reps i don't think it's set in stone but who knows. could be a ploy for our defense but then what would they need a ploy at all against OUR defense.

read this on the nfl.com website: well, that could change a lot of thoughts on where this franchise should go this offseason.

the great mel tucker and all of his accomplishments 2008 browns DC - with defensive minded coach romeo crennel the browns ran a 3-4 defense. this was the first year as a coordinator - overall rank for pts. = 16th; total yds given up = 26th; passing: ranked 14th for passing yds; 10th for passing td's allowed; net yards gained per pass attempt = 29th rushing: totaly yds = 28th; rushing td's = 21; yds per attempt = 25th 2009 jaguars DC - with del rio a defensive minded HC ran a 4-3. overall rank for pts = 24th; total yds given up = 23rd passing: ranked 26th for td's given up; ranked 27th in yds gained; ranked 30th for net yds gained per attempt rushing: total yds 19th; td's 14th; rushing yds per attempt 12th 2010 jags DC - pts allowed 27th; yds allowed 28th passing: ranked 28th yds allowed; ranked 26th for td's allowed rushing: ranked 22nd yds allowed; 29th for td's allowed 2011 jags DC and interim HC for last 5 games - pts allowed 11th; yds allowed ranked 6th passing: ranked 8th yds allowed; ranked 9th for td's rushing: ranked 9th yds allowed; ranked 20th for td's allowed 2012 jags DC assistant HC under an OFFENSIVE minded head coach (mularkey) - [[ ranked 29th for pts allowed ]] - [[ ranked 30th for yds allowed ]] passing: ranked 22nd yds allowed; ranked 12th for td's allowed rushing: ranked 30th for yds allowed; ranked 31st for td's allowed and we hired this guy WHY??? 2013 chicago bears DC after 15 games - ranked 30th for points allowed; ranked 29th for yds allowed passing: ranked 14 total yds; ranked 14th for td's allowed rushing: ranked 32 yds allowed; 31 for td's allowed we passed on rob ryan for this guy? and people want to give this guy another year to do exactly what??

this is the problem when you hire people with stipulations. if you hire someone i would think you like their body of work or what is the point in hiring them in the first place? if tucker was forced to accept the existing defensive scheme by emery then this is another huge gaff by emery to start with. why in the HELL would he do something like that when it had just been done to HIM? you just handcuffed a KEY guy you just paid a large salary to for no apparent reason. are we saying that the existing players on this team were specialized to play only one type of defense? that's ridiculous. as this season wore on and tucker couldn't see that it was going nowhere fast why didn't he try to change the defense to something that actually might work instead of pounding square pegs into round holes for an entire season? this smacks of utter incompetence by tucker to not realize this by game 8 and get with trestman and emery to fix it or at least limit the damage. we have wasted a complete year with a no-clue defense, taught our young players NOTHING and now it's possible they will give him another year to do whatever he 'supposedly' is good at? FIRE HIM NOW and get us someone with a clue how real defenses work like little bum or ryan and then build our defense through the draft and free agency.

podlesh is one of the worst punters in the NFL. he wasn't good last season and is horrendous this year. we are losing field position every time he kicks. he needs to be GONE!! hester - GONE conte - would be a serviceable backup or special teams guy but not as a starter. in fact he has improved over the last 2 weeks. although he missed some important tackles last night he nearly made 3/4 of the tackles in the entire game as the failure of our DL and LB's were paramount. poor in red zone coverage but maybe serviceable in our future if he doesn't cost to much to keep. SMC - if we get another DC he stays through training camp. if a good coordinator can't make him drastically better... GONE DT peaua - GONE peppers - GONE major wright - GONE

agree on emery so far. agree on trestman so far but he deserves to be there because he is head coach and HAS to be able to manipulate the DC and special teams coaches when they are failing. i still have a lot of respect for him and he surely doesn't deserve the boot but he needs to improve in that respect next season. decamillis - GONE tucker - VERY GONE

i agree, i misplaced kromer in that bunch. i changed it in the original post to show that.