Lucky Luciano

uhhhh... isn't that how we got tucker? that said, from the sound of it you seem content with tucker vs. phillips. so put it on the line... to me phillips is light years better than tucker, how about you? do YOU believe tucker is a better DC than phillips? you know, there are ways to make your team better than what we saw even with the injuries. you never answered my previous post about moving some players around to make the D generally better than HORRIFIC other than the briggs comment on when he got injured. let's go into the MLB suggestion about briggs and his injury first. ok he got injured the following week. ok you want to test bostic at the position you maybe drafted him at. that said, how many weeks of the kind of play he showed us would YOU have played him in that spot? because after watching him for 3 full games it was clear to anyone (except you and tucker) that he was not ready to start at that position. by game 13, cowboys, it was absolutely clear his status as an NFL player of 'any sort' was in jeopardy. soooooo, what could he have done, what could he have done? maybe... our glorius leader TUCKER should have groomed briggs for a takeover at the middle linebacker position after having 7 WEEKS to prepare and go into game FIFTEEN as our MLB!!! not that it would have been an IMPORTANT game or anything, just the control of the division and a playoff spot. and what could he have done during that time, 7 WEEKS, that briggs was out? let's take a look shall we. james anderson - a 7 year veteran with over 60 starts in the nfl at the time williams went down - played strong side LB, weak side LB, and has 1 start as a MLB. a 6'3" 220 lb veteran who played under a good system in carolina under chico. could we have started HIM in the middle to tie off the bleeding after about 4 weeks of a historically miserable attempt by bostic? only if you were a capable defensive coordinator. does it weaken the SLB position by moving someone over to take his place? YES, the same as it would have weakened the weak side moving briggs over but any coordinator in his right mind would have, SHOULD have, moved him over to solidify the middle of our linebacking corp after watching bostic play. the MLB position is the key to your defense and especially against the run and to leave bostic in there was criminally stupid. now maybe you would like to comment on some of the other changes that would have made this defense a better unit than what we saw? like moving peppers to tackle or moving wooten back to the LDE position, or moving smc to the RDE position or actually move him to the SLB position if that didn't work out? or move peanut to free safety after watching conte and dudley do wright play like they did? this is NOT hindsight but what capable people do in their jobs to succeed in adversity. these moves maybe would not have made this defense good but it CERTAINLY would have made it better than horrible. even a bad defense possibly gets us into the playoffs. first... we had THREE probowl players starting on our defense after briggs went down. are you saying they are no good? second... then how about "giving up on him" after about THREE games instead of NINE? you think him playing like that gives him experience and confidence even IF he is a potentially good player? this is how you destroy someones career by letting them continue like that. you have said some very strange things over the years but this really may be the stupidest thing you have ever posted. my suggestion... get together with tucker and j. webb, buy some land in oregon and start a commune. keep chanting to search for your inner feelings and live in bliss.

first and foremost - they didn't have the "horses" to run the lovie 2 since mike brown was done and tommy harris injured his knee 5-6 YEARS ago (in reality the system was antiquated 10 + years ago). this is just one major reason lovie was fired. he could NOT adjust his defense to the changing NFL or the personnel he was forced to play!!! he was a one trick pony trying to run in the kentucky derby. so what do we do? emery wants to keep a bad system in play with even fewer players to fit the bad scheme and supposedly hires tucker because he will keep this system. why you ask? because he doesn't have the chops to design his own. so what does that tell you? 1. that emery just may be an idiot 2. that tucker doesn't have a freaking clue how to run a defense if he would agree to something this stupid and actually give us what we saw. i totally agree. maybe someone can riddle me this... our linebacker play was horrendous nearly all season long and especially in the middle. yet we keep bostic there, come hell or high water, and it is like not even having a linebacker on the field playing the middle he was so inconsequential. i'm sure many will say 'well what could he do with all the injuries?' this is what i say… LINEBACKERS: move briggs in the middle. he would be out of position and it may take away from some of the quality of his play but SO WHAT? at least our BEST linebacker (a pro-bowler) can help control the middle and give support to the outside backers on plays going their way. what POSSIBLE good does it do keeping him on the weak side while the middle is a sieve? you could have had briggs a pro-bowl vet in the middle with anderson a SEVEN year vet playing the strongside. this would have left a rotation on the weak side to find the guy who can play from bostic, greene or costanza. this move by tucker, if he had a brain, would have not made our linebacking corp stellar but at this point bad would have been an improvement!!! DEFENSIVE LINE: i know scs787 keeps telling us our defensive line was riddled with injuries and with an aging peppers at DE it is impossible to fix. i say BS. if you have injuries and look as BAD as our interior line looked with the tucker lineup here is what someone with a brain might do... 1. move your "aging peppers" to tackle. if he doesn't have the speed to pressure the qb on the edge then why in the hell not put him in the middle? he has played there in rotation under lovie. he is BIG. he is a pro-bowl caliber player who is smart. his size ALSO is a plus in short passes over the middle and he certainly couldn't play worse than paea. this gives us at least one solid tackle in the middle and instantly beefs up our line. 2. move the ONE player who is actually playing at least 'well' back to his ORIGINAL position. move wooten back to LDE. this solidifies the left side of our defensive line and stops those freaking runs around end every other play for a million yards. 3. RDE - you have two choices here... move a horrible LDE, smc, to the weakside. this is traditionally where your speed ends rush the passer from and usually having to move through less traffic to get to the qb. if this ends up like his play on the left side then you might as well move him to a linebacker rotation. let him play the strong side backer position and put your veteran, anderson, on the right side. this beefs up your right side with a vet LB. use a rotation of washington and bass until you can find one of them who can control the edge. DEFENSIVE BACKS: we have TWO good to good + veteran CB's and NO safeties. so what do you do? you move PEANUT to free safety. this solidifies the safety position and peanut with the nagging knee injuries can play center field where his speed is not as critical. he has the savvy to arrange either steltz, wright or conte into position not to mention he can direct BOWMAN, his replacement in the scheme. CONCLUSION: with these moves you go to the ground floor basics in practice every day to get these players comfortable with their new positions. will it take time to adjust? yes and their play probably won't be stellar and they will make mistakes in the first few games until they adjust. but at least they could NOT be worse than what we witnessed this season. historically BAD has a point where you try anything to at least improve in some aspects. you don't do like we did and just keep doing the same thing over and over. will the players like it? probably not but that is what they get paid for. are we going to be a top 10 defense with this setup? no, but if we were ranked in the low teens to mid 20's it would have been a drastic improvement. this is where you separate the men from the boys in your coaching staff. agree. there was no improvement in any position or any player. that in itself would be nearly impossible to achieve. so i have to ask myself... why are we keeping him, or for that matter, why did we hire him in the first place? it is a complete joke. i mean, just how bad do you have to be to get fired in this organization? what people should be asking about tucker is just what is his ceiling as a coach that you are looking for? what is the base floor you are willing to accept? he has NEVER been a good coach and proved it this year. so why waste not only last season but the next TWO with a guy who has no potential?? mel tucker is TWO strikes against emery. one for hiring him and two for keeping him.

i agree. it just dilutes the NFL even more making the regular season and the playoffs more meaningless and average. if they want to do anything eliminate the wild card spots.

i agree on the technique aspect and this to me shows POOR coaching. anybody can coach all-pro players. when you start losing starters it is the coaches responsibility to adjust his defense to compensate. this is very similar to why lovie fails as a coach. he can't adjust his scheme to what players he is forced to play. so, what did tucker do.... our rookies got worse and so did our veterans. there was no discipline at a single position. they made the same mistakes game after game after game. by game 12 the rookies are not rookies anymore. so either they are complete BUSTS or our coaching staff taught them nothing. unless every member of that defense, backups or starters, do NOT belong in the NFL in any aspect then this falls right on top of tucker as not performing his job. let me qualify... this was the worst defense in chicago history ever. for 93 years, the entire time the NFL has been in existence, the WORST!! it's historical. NOBODY gets a pass on that even if your pulling starters out of the stands. FIRE tucker now or we hinder our chances to win a superbowl in our future. EDIT: rookie development is critical. if we are retooling to be a younger team they HAVE to have someone who can bring them up to speed in the nfl quickly. so what is tucker going to teach these new draft picks that are so critical to this teams future defense? it seems to me we are going to give up another season to RE-test a coach who has done nothing in the nfl because of a 'glitch' in his hiring. even if he improves, how much? could another coach do a lot better? i believe he could.

i agree. as i have said before, cutler has NO stats in chicago other than this season. the rest of the time he was here is garbage for any useful statistics. this was an amateur offense we ran in chicago run by amateur coaches and players. the only stats we can bring to bear are his time in denver for 2 years and this season.

this is no hire because he was an 85 bear like you hear some people clammering for every player on that team as their coach. leslie frazier has made his bones coaching. he has been coaching for over 25 years and 16 of those in the nfl. in college he was a head coach for Trinity College for 9 years before coaching DB's at Illinois for 2 years. he moved to the NFL in 1999 as DB coach for the eagles and coached there for 3 years. then moved up the ladder in 2003 to the bengals as their defensive coordinator under marv lewis for 2 years. in 2005 he moved to the colts as DB coach under dungy and was coaching against us in the 2006 superbowl. in 2007 he went to minny as their DC/assistant HC for 4 years. in 2008 be became their HC until his firing in 2013. his nfl record: 1999 eagles DB coach - passing - 15th yds gained; 19th for TD's; 11th for NY/A 2000 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 2nd TD's; 3rd NY/A 2001 eagles DB coach - passing - 2nd yds gained; 2nd TD's; 4th NY/A 2002 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 7th TD's; 2nd NY/A frasier worked under jim johnson his entire time in philly. the learning experience he gained under johnson had to have at least some effect from one of the best. EDIT i forgot to add the passing and rushing stats. his defense improved the 2nd season which shows progress as him as a DC with the bengals. 2003 bengals - defensive coordinator - 28th points allowed; 28th yds allowed passing - 24th yds; 22nd TD's; NY/A 27th rushing - 25th yds; 26th TD's; 30th Y/A 2004 bengals - defensive coordinator - 21st points allowed; 19th yds passing - 13th yds; 17th TD's; NY/A 12th rushing - 26th yds; 12th TD's; Y/A 22nd after leslies departure the bengals got no better on defense and worse in some stats. 2005 colts - DB coach - passing - 15th yds; 6th TD's; 10th NY/A 2006 colts - DB coach - passing - 2nd yds; 5th TD's; 13th NY/A worked under DC ron meeks and dungy as HC 2007 vikings DC - 12th pts; 20th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 32nd yds; 15th TD's; NY/A 18th rushing - 1st yds; 3rd TD's; Y/A 2nd 2008 vikings DC/AHC - 13th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 18th yds; 5th TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 1st yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 2nd 2009 vikings DC/AHC - 10th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 19th yds; 23rd TD's; NY/A 16th rushing - 2nd yds; 1st TD's; Y/A 6th 2010 vikings HC - 18th pts; 8th yds passing - 9th yds; 21st TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 9th yds; 10th TD's; Y/A 9th 2011 vikings HC - 31st pts; 21st yds passing - 26th yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 25th rushing - 11th yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 6th 2012 vikings HC - 14th pts; 16th yds passing - 24th yds; 23 TD's; NY/A 10th rushing - 11th yds; 8th TD's; Y/A 7th 2013 vikings HC - 32nd pts; 31st yds passing - 31st yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 23rd rushing - 16th yds; 18th TD's; Y/A 13th as a head coach.... no. as a defensive coordinator... yes. he has proven he can at least coach in the nfl on that level and has worked with some of the best in that area. is he the best out there? probably not but in my opinion he is light years better than what we have. if we find someone better great. if not this is a very good option.

WAAAAIIIT A MINUTE... this is BUTTHEADS KID!!! well now, that changes everything LOL!! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...571/drew-butler

not sure what to think. no stats for 2013? anyway here is a link to his draft profile... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/dre...tler?id=2533003

i stand corrected. he did start the leap around the 16 yd line. his trailing foot comes down around the 13 BUT if the ball is untouched the trajectory puts it on or near the 10 like i said. if he makes the catch he comes down on the 11 yardline. 1. >>I 2. this is so petty i can hardly believe you are trying to argue the point. a "world class, franchise QB" would have led him blah, blah, blah. are you freaking serious? so tom brady, peyton manning, brees, young, favre, unitis, montana, on-and-on-and-so-forth always throw/threw perfect balls and always made completions to their receivers "in stride"? this isn't a video game, this is what receivers do. sometimes the ball is thrown perfect and sometimes it's on the receiver to make the adjustment to make that catch. that is the game of football. 3. REALITY CHECK: first... the last i heard soldier field is not in a vacuum or for that matter even in a dome. i know the winds weren't blowing through your tv screen but they were in chicago that day. here is the game day weather forcast: "Forecast: Cloudy, with a high temperature of 28 degrees. Breezy, with a north northwest wind 15 to 20 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70 percent, with new snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible." hmmmm.... let's see, what endzone were the bears trying to score in during the 4th quarter? oh yea, the NORTH endzone!! in other words cutler was throwing into a 15 to 30 mph wind. you know, now that i think about it, maybe it WAS a great throw and not just good +. he put nearly a FORTY YARD pass into a position for our receiver to catch it in the redzone. first: i never called cutler elite because at this time he is NOT. second: you mean like the pin-point accuracy of the elite rogers two picks? or do you mean the "elite" qb rating that day of rogers at 85.2 vs. cutlers 103.8? also it's pretty easy to 'drop footballs in a net from 50 yards' when you have no defenders to interfere with your aim. ok so you are saying a 38.5 yard pass into the wind in soldier field in december and putting it where your receiver can make a play on it whether in 'stride' or NOT is a BAD PASS? really?? finally, you really need to get your posts straight. you can't specifically comment to someone in reference to a comment by some other poster. it's untenable and a waste of time for the person you are replying to.

maybe you have a magic screen that displays things differently than the rest of the world. if not, the ball is in the air and if jeffrey doesn't touch it it lands on the ten but... i guess if we want to get it exactly to the fraction of an inch so you can be right the ball was released when cutler was on about the 46.5 yardline of chicago give or take 1/32nd of an inch. it's trajectory before the ball is touched by jeffrey leaping in the air on the 13.1 yardline brings it down on about on the 10 yard 6 inch line give or take 1/64 of an inch. if the ball is thrown longer to hit jeffrey "in stride" as you say to make it a good + pass the ball would have sailed out of bounds. thus the pass could have called for a 38 1/2 yard route. so i surmise (pure conjecture on my part) seeing the trajectory of the ball jeffrey makes an adjustment like normal receivers do on 38 1/2 yard passes and slows his route (which could have been jeffrey's fault for making his break a fraction of a second too soon off the LOS) and goes up to make a soft catch of a ball on it's downward trajectory and drops it. when did i EVER say that cutler's throw was leading the receiver? it was a long thrown ball that was in the same zipcode of our receiver 38.5 yards downfield with a more than reasonable chance for a receiver to make the catch inbounds for a long gain. haven't you ever seen a receiver come back for a ball by design or not? revisionist? that's pretty funny dude. please show me in any of my posts that i said cutler purposely tried to throw the ball short for any reason at all. finally... no matter what you think (or don't think) it was a good pass that gave our receiver a chance to move our offense into the redzone. you can hate on cutler or nit-pick it in your micro view of the play but it does not change the fact that it was a good throw and should easily have been caught. and THAT is all i can ask of any quarterback.

cutler throws this ball from our own 45 to the packers 10. that's 40 yards in the air. jeffrey slows down to make the catch and has position on the defender. the ball drops right on target into his hands and he doesn't make the catch. i don't care if he had to come out of stride or not, that was a good + throw and the receivers responsibility to make that catch.. jeffrey makes that catch 99 times out of a hundred. the ball was there. marshall made nearly the same catch earlier in the game.

have just heard on the score (jim miller) that our defensive players were possibly confused as to the type of coverage. also that the way it was set up they had jennings covering the freaking tight end while our safeties were covering the receiver. just one more log on the fire to FIRE tucker. what a joke.

a freudian slip? hmmmmm..... no mention of mel tucker his DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? i did NOT like the all-out blitz many have no problem with. although we had three sacks during this game we had nearly no pressure on him 98% of the time. he had all day to stand in the pocket prior to this play and to expect OUR safeties to cover green bays wide outs is ludicrous. our blitzes are telegraphed on nearly every occasion and to send everyone up the middle to clog up the center is poor scheming. if they wanted to blitz the moon why in the hell not send someone from the outside in and pinch rogers behind the middle of his offensive line where his vision is at least limited somewhat? it was such a mess in the middle with no heavy pressure that kuhn actually could chip peppers coming in off the corner and allow rogers the edge. these blitzes remind me of the babich/lovie blitzes of the past. NO imagination or concept how your opponent will react.

long ball hail mary throws are high risk plays and only for a last chance in the last second of the game. we threw THREE. if we had worked it down the field (like we have seen in the past against us with ELEVEN seconds to lose under lovie) we certainly could have worked it downfield with the time we had left and the timeout. it would have given us a legitimate chance to run our offense with lower risk passing plays. to me this is trestmans baby. it's some stuff he needs to clean up this offseason along with his 4th down risks for no reason.

i have to agree. he has a 103.8 passer rating and people are unhappy with it?? cutler in my opinion had a very good game yesterday. in fact in the first half i believe cutler only threw a couple of bad balls. there were MULTIPLE drops by receivers that were at critical junctions for a first down. a fumble by jeffrey killed a drive in the last half of the 2nd quarter. or how about the TOP the first half? 18 minutes and 52 seconds!!! our defense cut out at least one series the bears could have been on the field by stopping nobody. it could have been miles worse without the int's in the redzone. let's talk about the play calling: why are we throwing the ball in the first series at all? the packers are decimated in the linebacker corp and are poor against the run. yet we pass the ball deep in our own territory without trying to run it? the last series is totally on trestman. that was one of the worst clock management and play calls i have witnessed. we had 1 timeout and about 30 seconds on the clock and we are on our own 40 yardline. what the hell is he thinking throwing hail mary passes? you work the freaking sideline and move the ball 10 to 15 yards a play to get you into position to actually have a realistic chance to win the game with your offense. in my opinion it was pitiful play calling.

to me he is a top candidate after being fired by minny today. phillips is my first, but frazier is right up at the top. he has made his bones in the nfl and proven himself as a DC. my biggest fear is we set a record for BAD and want to continue to run it with a DC who has NEVER done anything good in the NFL. this will be another strike against emery if he decides to keep tucker.

i believe it was a good to very good throw. this is the throws you expect from a qb with the big receivers we have. this is what we have been calling for all season. the ball dropped right into JEFFREY'S hands above the defender. he just dropped it.

seems light on cutlers contract. can't imagine he gets less than 10 million a year. other teams would pay that to him. if so great deal.

also heard they are sitting earl bennet? some strange end of season moves.

when i talk about bad i don't mean just bad, i mean historically bad. some of/the worst in NFL history and THE worst in chicago bear history. 2012 new orleans saints allowed more yards in one season than any team in NFL history. total yards 7042 passing yards - 4681 rushing - 2361 - 5.2 YPA steve spagnuolo DC - FIRED after one season of badness 1981 baltimore colts - mike mccormack - defensive minded head coach - FIRED after his 2nd season as HC. total yards - 6793 passing yards - 4128 rushing yards - 2665 - 4.4 YPA the chicago bears after 15 games with mel tucker as our defensive coordinator total yards after 15 games - 5840 passing yards - 3417 rushing yards - 2423 - 5.4 YPA ======================== worst run defenses 1960 forward DEFENSIVE RUSHING BADNESS 2013 chicago bears 2423 rushing yds - YPA 5.4 after 15 games. so far only the '61 vikings have a worse YPA record and this season isn't even over. modern era of professional footbal - 1960 forward 1961 vikings - 2667 yds 5.41 YPA - 14 game season 2006 colts - 2768 yds - 5.33 YPA - DC meeks with dungey NOT fired 1965 oilers (AFL) - 2683 - 5.29 YPA - 14 game season 2012 saints - 2361 yds - 5.2 YPA 2003 chiefs - 2344 yds - 5.17 YPA 1976 chiefs - 2344 yds - 5.17 YPA 2008 lions - 2754 yds - 5.14 YPA 1961 raiders - 2440 yds - 5.10 YPA 1973 patriots - 2850 yds - 5.09 YPA 1969 bengals - 2951 yds - 5.07 YPA 1960 cowboys - 2242 yds - 5.02 YPA - 14 game season 2011 bucs - 2497 yds - 5.0 YPA older era 1930's - 1959 1934 cincinnati reds - 6.40 YPA 1950 N.Y.Yanks - 5.63 YPA 1950 colts - 5.58 YPA 1959 redskins - 5.48 YPA ============= some of the worst pass defenses in NFL history 2011-12 Green Bay Packers: 4,796 Yards (15-1) 2011-12 New England Patriots: 4,704 Yards (13-3) 1995-96 Atlanta Falcons: 4,541 Yards, (9-7) 2005-06 San Francisco 49ers: 4,427 Yards (4-12) 1986-87 New York Jets: 4,389 Yards (10-6) 1981-82 San Diego Chargers: 4,311 Yards (10-6) 2010-11 Houston Texans: 4,280 Yards (6-10) 2013 chicago bears after 15 games - 3417 yds why would we even consider keeping tucker for any reason? he has no defensive scheme because all but one year he worked under defensive minded head coaches and ran theirs. the ONE year he ran his own defense with an offensive minded head coach and it was all on his shoulders as a DC (after THREE years in jacksonville) here is what he finished out with... 29th for points allowed and 30th for yards!! his coaching CEILING is the bottom 1/3 of the NFL and his bottom floor you need a steam shovel to keep digging to find it!! the jags had to be jumping for joy we offered him a contract.

i didn't explain it i guess very well in my post. mccnown to me is a key part of this puzzle if cutler goes. the difference with mccown in chicago for 2+ years if we let cutler go is we have an option to draft a qb at the slot we pick or POSSIBLY in a later round (i still would try to move up myself anyway). it gives us time for a project qb that can be groomed for a season or two behind mccown who equals someone who at least can play average ball at qb. without mccown for that time period, and we draft a project qb, we are basically screwed. our defense is in shambles and can't compensate for this training period. in fact we will have put our defense back a year by using our highest pick for a qb so if this happens we are in total rebuild mode with neither side of the ball playing at a high level.

i just don't see it. if you look at tuckers resume he has done nothing in the NFL to justify even the initial hire by emery let alone keep him. even with the injuries look at the rookies this guy has worked with on our team. in all truth they have not gotten ANY better and in my opinion have regressed from the start of the season. this tells a lot about his coaching abilities. if we are going to revamp this defense through the draft we need someone who can actually teach these rookies how to play in the NFL and tucker is not the guy to do it. in fact he hasn't even controlled the veterans we have on this team in regards to tackling and gap control. i know a lot of people talk about his abilities to run a 3-4 defense. it is far from the truth. in his first season as a DC he was an understudy of romeo crennel and that lasted one season before he was fired. it was crennel's defense, not something tucker was bringing to the table. and to be honest that defense was not very good... 2008 browns DC - with defensive minded coach romeo crennel the browns ran a 3-4 defense. this was the first year as a coordinator - overall rank for pts. = 16th; total yds given up = 26th; passing: ranked 14th for passing yds; 10th for passing td's allowed; net yards gained per pass attempt = 29th rushing: totaly yds = 28th; rushing td's = 21; yds per attempt = 25th if we don't get rid of tucker this misery will continue until we do and stunt our chances to win a superbowl by years.

in my opinion it does change everything. if mccown is not an option for the next 1-2 years we have 3 options even if cutler plays poorly next week... 1. we sign cutler anyway to a reasonable contract and if trestman is half of what everyone says he is he can clean up cutlers game next season. if he can't at least it buys us time. this gives us 3 years to look for his replacement. 2. we dump cutler and MAYBE mccown plays out 1 more year at a higher contract. if this happens we HAVE to waste a top pick on the QB position. where we are going to pick is HIGH RISK we find a franchise quarterback in that slot or even one that is serviceable. the only option i see in this scenario is we move *up drastically to pick a qb with high potential in the first. if mccown stays we have a 1 year window to make this guy able to play at a high level. if mccown leaves we are throwing this guy in the fire and hoping for the best with no credible backup. if we lose our picks on defense this year for a qb we are up against the wall for emery to bring in GOOD stop gap aging players. if we do this again we are up against the wall cap-wise. option 2 is rolling the dice for this franchise. if it does NOT work out with a high draft pick qb we have just sentenced ourselves to hell for at least 3-4 years with the same type of qb mutts we have fielded for nearly 30 years and no #1 pick next year. 3. we bring in a **journeyman qb in free agency and seriously GAMBLE this guy can play at a high level. if he can't even playout as average we end up with the same scenario as in #2. by this time our offense is aging and current contracts are up. we end up without marshall and probably forte and no serviceable qb. *we may not even HAVE enough to do this and if we do that will kill our 2nd and/or 3rd round pick and probably next years first to do it. ** to find a franchise quality qb not in his last season or two in the nfl is RARE. only angelo could have blown that scenario by not picking up brees.

try this link to nfl.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000030...m-practice-reps i don't think it's set in stone but who knows. could be a ploy for our defense but then what would they need a ploy at all against OUR defense.

read this on the nfl.com website: well, that could change a lot of thoughts on where this franchise should go this offseason.