Lucky Luciano

dude, you HAVE to look at this as long term health of the franchise not just the immediate cap hits this season. we have NOTHING on the defensive side of the ball to hurt our cap for years. it's all nickle and dime salaries. with revis we get a big hit but it evens out over the next 3 years while the cap goes up, we get relief from the cutler bonus and our draft picks play for rookie contracts. that is true for any player in the NFL including rookies. it only stands to reason. if a qb has to wait for a pattern to develop it takes time (time for our DL to get to him). if we play bump and run man he has no quick dump outlet. this also increases the time he is holding the ball. these may only be fractions of seconds but in my opinion it DOES make a difference over a season.

well here's the thing... if someone doesn't trade with the bucs by this afternoon they cut him and get nothing. if the bears trade them briggs and a 7th round pick they get something for him. we get an elite player who doesn't touch the market this year (the pats are SERIOUSLY interested) and can work out a contract for the future to keep us inside of the cap.

this has been one of lovies greatest failures and why in my opinion he is a terrible coach that never learns from his mistakes. the cover 2 or the lovie 2 or whatever you want to call it DOES need a good + to very good CB who can cover man along with a very good safety to go with it. it is a proven fact if you look at the bucs of the sapp era. ronde barber was a very good corner that DID play a lot of bump and run off the LOS and was key to their success.

also, you seem to want to get rid of briggs. i personally don't (i have no problem with him at all) unless it would be in a trade deal with the bucs for revis. if this would work lovie gets a pro-bowl backer whom he loves and we get revis. i take a shut down corner any day of the week for an outside linebacker.

obstacles? this move helps out THREE areas of our defense in one shot!! 1. it makes our CB's elite with a shut down corner on one side and a good CB on the other. 2. it helps out our safeties tremendously. our strong safety can focus more on the run and short passing attack over the middle and our free safety can double up help with our weaker CB or cover a three receiver set. 3. it tremendously helps out our defensive line. right now we have just brought in DE who is not proficient at pressuring the qb but stout against the run. we have no good pass rushing end on this team and if we go to free agency like many want to get allen he is a stop gap with 1-2 years at best. there are NO defensive ends out there in their prime to choose from. so what happens is if our corners can cover longer it gives our DL time to make up for their lack of ability to pressure the qb. it stands to reason we can back load a big contract for revis and next season we get relief from cutlers 2nd year to bump onto revis's signing. the same holds true that we have NO high priced defensive players right now. we intend to draft the DL which gives us a 3-5 year window that they are not making the big bucks. by that time if they deserve top dollar revis's contract is on the downside. with a little thought by our franchises money man this is not any kind of detriment to our cap figures after this year.

it has been reported on NFL channel that revis is going to be traded or cut today. i would go very large on revis. we have NO high cost player on this side of the ball and he would give us the option, cost wise, to eat a large part of his contract while we groom tackles or defensive ends through the draft. revis would be the best possible scenario to come to chicago. he is the type of player we have not had maybe ever. with a very good cover corner in his PRIME we could solidify our pass defense for the next 4 + years with a real talent in a pass oriented NFL. it also gives us the option to run ANY type of defense with a cover corner who can shut down an opponents #1 receiver without safety help. now is the time for emery to make a critical move for this franchise. we missed out on charles woodson and that cost us big over the time he was in his prime in green bay. let's not do it again. NOTE: one other choice for me would be cromartie out of denver for the same reasons.

i sure wouldn't mind us giving revis a very hard look if lovie cuts him. that would give us the corner we have needed for decades and the guy is only 28. i would take a look at cormartie also and push denver's costs for him up if he stays. draft a good safety prospect in the first 3 rounds and we have a very nice DB field. we could back load a contract for one of those guys above and still get a DT or DE in free agency.

we are not really that far apart in our thinking but you have to realize this... in order to give your DL time to get to the qb you HAVE to be able to cover the wideouts off the LOS. it takes any lineman X amount of time to get to the qb unless there is a glaring mistake by an offensive tackle or guard. this is the time you need to cover that receiver to prevent the easy dump off for 4-8 yards and extending drives. i agree with the mcmahon senario. qb was our biggest problem in that era along with ditka. but if you remember watching the playoffs our defense was picked apart by teams scheming for the quick release (example west coast offense by the 9ers). we had nobody to jam them at the line to disrupt the timing and cover them long enough for hampton and dent to make a play. this is one of the same problems we had with lovie for 9 years. so yes, we need a lot better DL but to go further we also need to be able to nullify to some degree a passing attack, short OR long and stop these god awful 7 and 8 minute drives by our opponents keeping our offense off the field.

if you are saying you don't need a good + safety i have to disagree. you can cheat with one lesser quality player at both positions but you are in trouble if both players at CB or S are less than good. you can get by with one average CB if you have a good + one who can cover man. but you need at least ONE good + safety and preferably a free safety thus for his help covering a weaker cb's man or covering a 3rd receiver.

i understand your point but i will still reiterate... you HAVE to have at least one good + cornerback. it is critical in this day and age of the rules giving the offensive passing game a high advantage. a HOF guy would be great but a guy of the quality of woodson would go a LONG way in a quest for a superbowl WIN. again in my opinion you are not correct on this. i watched fencik and planks entire careers. their combo was one of the MOST feared defensive back duo's in the entire nfl in the 70's. plank made the cover "Hitmen of the NFL" i believe in sports illustrated during that era (late 70's?). doug plank was a freaking maniac. he never would have been allowed to play in today's nfl due to the helmet hits that was his forte'. this guy had no fear and would stick a guy going full tilt for devastating hits. the problem with that is he suffered a lot of, in those days, "getting his bell rung". in other words he was getting a ton of concussions. thus his short career. planks biggest problem was he was a poor tackler or at least used tackling as a last resort if he thought he had the shot. if the ball carrier didn't drop when plank hit him at a hundred miles an hour he would be free to move down the field for extra yardage. this is where fencik came in. i can't tell you how many times i saw fencik come in and make a beautiful open field tackle on a guy plank didn't knock down or add to planks hit. it was beautiful to see and made them the deadliest most feared duo in the nfl at that time to any receiver coming over the middle. that is NOT to say that fencik was not a hard hitter either because he was. but he was smart enough to know where and when to put the big hit on. fencik finished his career with 38 interceptions, which he returned for 488 yards and a touchdown. He also recorded 2 sacks and recovered 14 fumbles, returning them for 65 yards. fencik missed very few games in his NFL career. He made the pro bowl in 1980-1981 and was voted all pro in 81. he was a field general and one of the best i have seen over the years play in the nfl. he may not go to the HOF but that certainly does not diminish his accomplishments as a top tier free safety in the nfl. i am not disagreeing with DL being the key in any defense. but if you want to win the big ones with any consistency you HAVE to have a good + group of DB's and that includes especially a cover corner. he has to be able to play bump and run and have the speed to enforce that type of play downfield by staying with his assignment. look at the mid to late 80's. we had maybe the best DL in nfl history. our problems arose in the playoffs against good + QB's who got rid of the ball before our ends and tackles could disrupt them. vestee jackson? lemon head? etc. just couldn't play man coverage (i know our offense, qb especially, was not good but the key to our defenses demise was pass coverage).

i have to disagree somewhat on this. although the DL is a high priority, in my opinion you need at least ONE good + to very good/excellent corner that can play man coverage. this is the difference between a good defense and a killer defense (you could even add one good + safety to this equation). we have seen the results of a lack of high quality corners since the mid 80's (and actually before that). if a qb has a quick release there is nearly no way to stop him unless you can play bump and run off the LOS that gives your DL time to reach the qb. remember game 13 in 1985? remember the lovie days with his 10 yard cushions even with a good DL? i have been expounding this concept for nearly a couple of decades. again i somewhat disagree. especially on your take of gary fencik. fencik was one of the best safeties to ever play in chicago's modern era of football. although lacking speed, he was extremely smart and one of the best open field tacklers i have ever seen. agree by 85 his career was winding down but to say he was only "good" is to me a misstatement. mike brown was a safety in a very similar vein. what he lacked in speed he used football smarts to make up for it and played the position at the highest level. now on to the others... richardson was a good player as you say and had flashes of better. in my opinion leslie frazier was highly underrated and i believe he could be labeled as good +. if that idiot ortego hadn't contributed to ending his career the bears would have done a lot better post 85. as i said, with a quick release qb you NEED a good + bump and run CB and at least one good to good + safety.

i'm sure everyone knows this but i will throw it out here anyway.... sacks per season (stats) are useful to a degree but there is MUCH more involved that has to be taken into consideration if you don't want to get whip-sawed in free agency. 1. scheme and coaching - how aggressive and creative is their coaching staff? do they run a strict 4-3? are they a 3-4? do they mix up a 3-4 into their scheme? are they an attack defense? are they a read and react defense? blitzing capabilities from behind the DL? do they mix up their look at the LOS. do they stunt? rotation? how good are their DB's (are they running zone or man)? 2. down and distance - what is the percentage of sacks in multiple situations? passing downs, are they a mixture of 1st through 3rd down? are they mostly 3rd and long? very long? 3. quality of players playing along side of him - what is the other DE doing pressure wise? are the tackles putting pressure up the middle? who, if anyone, is getting double teamed? 4. quality of competition in division and other teams played - if their division is junk compared to other competition throughout the NFL what is the quality of the guards and tackles he is playing half a season against? do most of the sacks come in one game against X opponent? in slop time or blow outs? 5. how is he going to fit into what you are doing defensively? will he compliment the other players on your team or will he struggle when other players can't compare to what he played with before free agency?

if i am not mistaken the cover 2 came back, or was refined and redefined, to counter bill walsh's west coast offense from the 80's - 90's. yea, this phillips miss is very sad for our franchise. he was tailor made to coach in chicago without any worry that if our defense became stellar that he leaves for a HC job like many would/will do. NOTE: your take on phillips and trestman together is spot on. The ONLY alternative i can see is just bite the bullet and fire tucker anyway (which i would do in a heartbeat) or if we hire phillips as a position coach/assistant head coach. that way if we dump tucker we have phillips in line for DC. if we paid him like a DC maybe he would accept it. an interesting note: aome really good DC's make really poor HC's. buddy ryan great DC in chicago (not sure what his position was with the vikings before we hired him) and DC for the oilers. bud carson a very good DC in pittsburgh but poor HC in cleveland. wade phillips - poor head coach in denver, buffalo and dallas but did some very nice things as DC in new orleans, philly under buddy ryan, denver, buffalo, san diego and houston texans. some others that escape my memory EDIT: just thought of another (how could i have forgot this one) george allen average to poor head coach for the rams and skins and a very good DC with chicago in the early to mid 60's.

not to dig on you but bud carson was pretty much the father of the cover 2 back when he was DC with the steelers in the 70's if i'm not mistaken. i agree with you that kiffin, lebeau and phillips were very good DC's. on phillips he is a poor head coach but as a DC he has brought a good + defense with him wherever he has gone. the absolute plus with phillips is if we had hired him is he would have stayed with us till he retired or we fired him. his head coaching career is over at his age. he would make our defense better than mediocre as tucker's ceiling indicates is in our future.

ridiculous ridiculous while you are off, cancel your membership to the flat earth society.

if you are really serious and not just digging for your usual "controversial opinion to get an argument going mode" then you really don't understand the nuts and bolts of how the NFL works. any 'good' NFL coach could care LESS what a player wants or doesn't want in adverse conditions. he SHOULD be concerned on what makes his team better on sundays when they walk on the field. if that player is under contract he plays where and when the coach says he does or he doesn't play at all. if a coach believes it is a better option for him to play out of his normal position due to injuries or failed play by a teammate he damn well better play out of position and do his utmost to play the best he can. when his contract is up then it is his choice to move on or resign with the team. again, if you are just throwing crap out there for an argument it does you a disservice and the people forced to read this tripe. so having said that... do you really want to state for the record that a 6'6" 283 lb. former pro-bowl player j. peppers who has PLAYED defensive tackle in the past, wouldn't have been any better than corey wooten (lighter and never played there before) at DT?? haven't you been whining about how peppers has lost the edge in speed getting to the qb all freaking season? so your contention is to leave a bad RDE where he is at and put a decent/good LDE in at tackle where he plays poorly? if peppers has lost the speed this is exactly where he should be to get the MOST out of his play and benefit #2 is we get wooten back to a position that has FAILED all season long with smc!!!!!!!! finally on this subject - to YOU peanut would not have been an upgrade to our safety position? does that NOT move another pro-bowl quality player to a position of need? did you not say... "Meh, track records should hold no ground in this argument. You guys are talking about how a good DC would have been at least not historically bad despite injuries. What difference does it make that he's been good in the past. You did add that you would have fired him so I can't dispute this post too much."? maybe i am not comprehending your post correctly. it looks to me like you used "track records" as a blanket assumption. to say a track record means nothing in the determination of the quality of a coach under adverse conditions is ridiculous. and finally, you said you commented on moving the players around on defense. i guess i missed it.

uhhhh... isn't that how we got tucker? that said, from the sound of it you seem content with tucker vs. phillips. so put it on the line... to me phillips is light years better than tucker, how about you? do YOU believe tucker is a better DC than phillips? you know, there are ways to make your team better than what we saw even with the injuries. you never answered my previous post about moving some players around to make the D generally better than HORRIFIC other than the briggs comment on when he got injured. let's go into the MLB suggestion about briggs and his injury first. ok he got injured the following week. ok you want to test bostic at the position you maybe drafted him at. that said, how many weeks of the kind of play he showed us would YOU have played him in that spot? because after watching him for 3 full games it was clear to anyone (except you and tucker) that he was not ready to start at that position. by game 13, cowboys, it was absolutely clear his status as an NFL player of 'any sort' was in jeopardy. soooooo, what could he have done, what could he have done? maybe... our glorius leader TUCKER should have groomed briggs for a takeover at the middle linebacker position after having 7 WEEKS to prepare and go into game FIFTEEN as our MLB!!! not that it would have been an IMPORTANT game or anything, just the control of the division and a playoff spot. and what could he have done during that time, 7 WEEKS, that briggs was out? let's take a look shall we. james anderson - a 7 year veteran with over 60 starts in the nfl at the time williams went down - played strong side LB, weak side LB, and has 1 start as a MLB. a 6'3" 220 lb veteran who played under a good system in carolina under chico. could we have started HIM in the middle to tie off the bleeding after about 4 weeks of a historically miserable attempt by bostic? only if you were a capable defensive coordinator. does it weaken the SLB position by moving someone over to take his place? YES, the same as it would have weakened the weak side moving briggs over but any coordinator in his right mind would have, SHOULD have, moved him over to solidify the middle of our linebacking corp after watching bostic play. the MLB position is the key to your defense and especially against the run and to leave bostic in there was criminally stupid. now maybe you would like to comment on some of the other changes that would have made this defense a better unit than what we saw? like moving peppers to tackle or moving wooten back to the LDE position, or moving smc to the RDE position or actually move him to the SLB position if that didn't work out? or move peanut to free safety after watching conte and dudley do wright play like they did? this is NOT hindsight but what capable people do in their jobs to succeed in adversity. these moves maybe would not have made this defense good but it CERTAINLY would have made it better than horrible. even a bad defense possibly gets us into the playoffs. first... we had THREE probowl players starting on our defense after briggs went down. are you saying they are no good? second... then how about "giving up on him" after about THREE games instead of NINE? you think him playing like that gives him experience and confidence even IF he is a potentially good player? this is how you destroy someones career by letting them continue like that. you have said some very strange things over the years but this really may be the stupidest thing you have ever posted. my suggestion... get together with tucker and j. webb, buy some land in oregon and start a commune. keep chanting to search for your inner feelings and live in bliss.

first and foremost - they didn't have the "horses" to run the lovie 2 since mike brown was done and tommy harris injured his knee 5-6 YEARS ago (in reality the system was antiquated 10 + years ago). this is just one major reason lovie was fired. he could NOT adjust his defense to the changing NFL or the personnel he was forced to play!!! he was a one trick pony trying to run in the kentucky derby. so what do we do? emery wants to keep a bad system in play with even fewer players to fit the bad scheme and supposedly hires tucker because he will keep this system. why you ask? because he doesn't have the chops to design his own. so what does that tell you? 1. that emery just may be an idiot 2. that tucker doesn't have a freaking clue how to run a defense if he would agree to something this stupid and actually give us what we saw. i totally agree. maybe someone can riddle me this... our linebacker play was horrendous nearly all season long and especially in the middle. yet we keep bostic there, come hell or high water, and it is like not even having a linebacker on the field playing the middle he was so inconsequential. i'm sure many will say 'well what could he do with all the injuries?' this is what i say… LINEBACKERS: move briggs in the middle. he would be out of position and it may take away from some of the quality of his play but SO WHAT? at least our BEST linebacker (a pro-bowler) can help control the middle and give support to the outside backers on plays going their way. what POSSIBLE good does it do keeping him on the weak side while the middle is a sieve? you could have had briggs a pro-bowl vet in the middle with anderson a SEVEN year vet playing the strongside. this would have left a rotation on the weak side to find the guy who can play from bostic, greene or costanza. this move by tucker, if he had a brain, would have not made our linebacking corp stellar but at this point bad would have been an improvement!!! DEFENSIVE LINE: i know scs787 keeps telling us our defensive line was riddled with injuries and with an aging peppers at DE it is impossible to fix. i say BS. if you have injuries and look as BAD as our interior line looked with the tucker lineup here is what someone with a brain might do... 1. move your "aging peppers" to tackle. if he doesn't have the speed to pressure the qb on the edge then why in the hell not put him in the middle? he has played there in rotation under lovie. he is BIG. he is a pro-bowl caliber player who is smart. his size ALSO is a plus in short passes over the middle and he certainly couldn't play worse than paea. this gives us at least one solid tackle in the middle and instantly beefs up our line. 2. move the ONE player who is actually playing at least 'well' back to his ORIGINAL position. move wooten back to LDE. this solidifies the left side of our defensive line and stops those freaking runs around end every other play for a million yards. 3. RDE - you have two choices here... move a horrible LDE, smc, to the weakside. this is traditionally where your speed ends rush the passer from and usually having to move through less traffic to get to the qb. if this ends up like his play on the left side then you might as well move him to a linebacker rotation. let him play the strong side backer position and put your veteran, anderson, on the right side. this beefs up your right side with a vet LB. use a rotation of washington and bass until you can find one of them who can control the edge. DEFENSIVE BACKS: we have TWO good to good + veteran CB's and NO safeties. so what do you do? you move PEANUT to free safety. this solidifies the safety position and peanut with the nagging knee injuries can play center field where his speed is not as critical. he has the savvy to arrange either steltz, wright or conte into position not to mention he can direct BOWMAN, his replacement in the scheme. CONCLUSION: with these moves you go to the ground floor basics in practice every day to get these players comfortable with their new positions. will it take time to adjust? yes and their play probably won't be stellar and they will make mistakes in the first few games until they adjust. but at least they could NOT be worse than what we witnessed this season. historically BAD has a point where you try anything to at least improve in some aspects. you don't do like we did and just keep doing the same thing over and over. will the players like it? probably not but that is what they get paid for. are we going to be a top 10 defense with this setup? no, but if we were ranked in the low teens to mid 20's it would have been a drastic improvement. this is where you separate the men from the boys in your coaching staff. agree. there was no improvement in any position or any player. that in itself would be nearly impossible to achieve. so i have to ask myself... why are we keeping him, or for that matter, why did we hire him in the first place? it is a complete joke. i mean, just how bad do you have to be to get fired in this organization? what people should be asking about tucker is just what is his ceiling as a coach that you are looking for? what is the base floor you are willing to accept? he has NEVER been a good coach and proved it this year. so why waste not only last season but the next TWO with a guy who has no potential?? mel tucker is TWO strikes against emery. one for hiring him and two for keeping him.

i agree. it just dilutes the NFL even more making the regular season and the playoffs more meaningless and average. if they want to do anything eliminate the wild card spots.

i agree on the technique aspect and this to me shows POOR coaching. anybody can coach all-pro players. when you start losing starters it is the coaches responsibility to adjust his defense to compensate. this is very similar to why lovie fails as a coach. he can't adjust his scheme to what players he is forced to play. so, what did tucker do.... our rookies got worse and so did our veterans. there was no discipline at a single position. they made the same mistakes game after game after game. by game 12 the rookies are not rookies anymore. so either they are complete BUSTS or our coaching staff taught them nothing. unless every member of that defense, backups or starters, do NOT belong in the NFL in any aspect then this falls right on top of tucker as not performing his job. let me qualify... this was the worst defense in chicago history ever. for 93 years, the entire time the NFL has been in existence, the WORST!! it's historical. NOBODY gets a pass on that even if your pulling starters out of the stands. FIRE tucker now or we hinder our chances to win a superbowl in our future. EDIT: rookie development is critical. if we are retooling to be a younger team they HAVE to have someone who can bring them up to speed in the nfl quickly. so what is tucker going to teach these new draft picks that are so critical to this teams future defense? it seems to me we are going to give up another season to RE-test a coach who has done nothing in the nfl because of a 'glitch' in his hiring. even if he improves, how much? could another coach do a lot better? i believe he could.

i agree. as i have said before, cutler has NO stats in chicago other than this season. the rest of the time he was here is garbage for any useful statistics. this was an amateur offense we ran in chicago run by amateur coaches and players. the only stats we can bring to bear are his time in denver for 2 years and this season.

this is no hire because he was an 85 bear like you hear some people clammering for every player on that team as their coach. leslie frazier has made his bones coaching. he has been coaching for over 25 years and 16 of those in the nfl. in college he was a head coach for Trinity College for 9 years before coaching DB's at Illinois for 2 years. he moved to the NFL in 1999 as DB coach for the eagles and coached there for 3 years. then moved up the ladder in 2003 to the bengals as their defensive coordinator under marv lewis for 2 years. in 2005 he moved to the colts as DB coach under dungy and was coaching against us in the 2006 superbowl. in 2007 he went to minny as their DC/assistant HC for 4 years. in 2008 be became their HC until his firing in 2013. his nfl record: 1999 eagles DB coach - passing - 15th yds gained; 19th for TD's; 11th for NY/A 2000 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 2nd TD's; 3rd NY/A 2001 eagles DB coach - passing - 2nd yds gained; 2nd TD's; 4th NY/A 2002 eagles DB coach - passing - 7th yds gained; 7th TD's; 2nd NY/A frasier worked under jim johnson his entire time in philly. the learning experience he gained under johnson had to have at least some effect from one of the best. EDIT i forgot to add the passing and rushing stats. his defense improved the 2nd season which shows progress as him as a DC with the bengals. 2003 bengals - defensive coordinator - 28th points allowed; 28th yds allowed passing - 24th yds; 22nd TD's; NY/A 27th rushing - 25th yds; 26th TD's; 30th Y/A 2004 bengals - defensive coordinator - 21st points allowed; 19th yds passing - 13th yds; 17th TD's; NY/A 12th rushing - 26th yds; 12th TD's; Y/A 22nd after leslies departure the bengals got no better on defense and worse in some stats. 2005 colts - DB coach - passing - 15th yds; 6th TD's; 10th NY/A 2006 colts - DB coach - passing - 2nd yds; 5th TD's; 13th NY/A worked under DC ron meeks and dungy as HC 2007 vikings DC - 12th pts; 20th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 32nd yds; 15th TD's; NY/A 18th rushing - 1st yds; 3rd TD's; Y/A 2nd 2008 vikings DC/AHC - 13th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 18th yds; 5th TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 1st yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 2nd 2009 vikings DC/AHC - 10th pts; 6th yds - offensive minded HC passing - 19th yds; 23rd TD's; NY/A 16th rushing - 2nd yds; 1st TD's; Y/A 6th 2010 vikings HC - 18th pts; 8th yds passing - 9th yds; 21st TD's; NY/A 13th rushing - 9th yds; 10th TD's; Y/A 9th 2011 vikings HC - 31st pts; 21st yds passing - 26th yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 25th rushing - 11th yds; 6th TD's; Y/A 6th 2012 vikings HC - 14th pts; 16th yds passing - 24th yds; 23 TD's; NY/A 10th rushing - 11th yds; 8th TD's; Y/A 7th 2013 vikings HC - 32nd pts; 31st yds passing - 31st yds; 32nd TD's; NY/A 23rd rushing - 16th yds; 18th TD's; Y/A 13th as a head coach.... no. as a defensive coordinator... yes. he has proven he can at least coach in the nfl on that level and has worked with some of the best in that area. is he the best out there? probably not but in my opinion he is light years better than what we have. if we find someone better great. if not this is a very good option.

WAAAAIIIT A MINUTE... this is BUTTHEADS KID!!! well now, that changes everything LOL!! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...571/drew-butler

not sure what to think. no stats for 2013? anyway here is a link to his draft profile... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/dre...tler?id=2533003

i stand corrected. he did start the leap around the 16 yd line. his trailing foot comes down around the 13 BUT if the ball is untouched the trajectory puts it on or near the 10 like i said. if he makes the catch he comes down on the 11 yardline. 1. >>I 2. this is so petty i can hardly believe you are trying to argue the point. a "world class, franchise QB" would have led him blah, blah, blah. are you freaking serious? so tom brady, peyton manning, brees, young, favre, unitis, montana, on-and-on-and-so-forth always throw/threw perfect balls and always made completions to their receivers "in stride"? this isn't a video game, this is what receivers do. sometimes the ball is thrown perfect and sometimes it's on the receiver to make the adjustment to make that catch. that is the game of football. 3. REALITY CHECK: first... the last i heard soldier field is not in a vacuum or for that matter even in a dome. i know the winds weren't blowing through your tv screen but they were in chicago that day. here is the game day weather forcast: "Forecast: Cloudy, with a high temperature of 28 degrees. Breezy, with a north northwest wind 15 to 20 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70 percent, with new snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible." hmmmm.... let's see, what endzone were the bears trying to score in during the 4th quarter? oh yea, the NORTH endzone!! in other words cutler was throwing into a 15 to 30 mph wind. you know, now that i think about it, maybe it WAS a great throw and not just good +. he put nearly a FORTY YARD pass into a position for our receiver to catch it in the redzone. first: i never called cutler elite because at this time he is NOT. second: you mean like the pin-point accuracy of the elite rogers two picks? or do you mean the "elite" qb rating that day of rogers at 85.2 vs. cutlers 103.8? also it's pretty easy to 'drop footballs in a net from 50 yards' when you have no defenders to interfere with your aim. ok so you are saying a 38.5 yard pass into the wind in soldier field in december and putting it where your receiver can make a play on it whether in 'stride' or NOT is a BAD PASS? really?? finally, you really need to get your posts straight. you can't specifically comment to someone in reference to a comment by some other poster. it's untenable and a waste of time for the person you are replying to.