jason

Oh, come'on Mad. Peyton likely would have won another if it weren't for Champ Bailey and the rest of his secondary pissing the game away.

Where would GB be? They'd likely be exactly where they are because they drafted for the future and had Rodgers for 2-3 years before Farve left. As for the Colts, who knows? The year Manning got hurt, they essentially dumped him and they sucked. I doubt very seriously their plan was to suck bad enough to get the #1 pick, but they didn't have a QB. They got nervous and it worked out for them because they ended up horrible enough to get the #1 pick. I can't predict alternate futures, so I don't know how it would have all worked out, but suppose they kept Manning for 2-3 more years? They would have had prime Manning for 12-14, still one of the best QBs of all time, kept their HOFer on the roster, could have had the trade down value of the #1 pick in 2012, and if they thought he was finally done after last year, they could have picked a QB in this or next year's draft. I agree about tough choices, and like the way the Patriots do things, but they have a proven track record of winning, which makes their decisions easier to stomach. If Forte wants a 5-year max deal, you thank him for his service and try to trade him before the season. If he wants to work with the team, you reward him for being a great RB (still), and sign him for a few years.

HAHAHAHA! EX-FREAKING-ACTLY. PFF stats are garbage compilation of random information & analysis that do not reach a coherent conclusion. The folks at PFF doesn't understand the following:

Interesting analogies considering what Farve and Manning did in the 2 years after leaving their former teams. Farv had a monster year his first year in Minny, and Manning won an MVP.

Until we know that for sure, I don't know it. Until I see it somewhere, I don't know it. Of course if Forte says he's looking for a max contract 5-year guarantee, then you have to do something with him. But he's DEFINITELY got 2-3 years left in his legs.

That's who I've been thinking about if the Bears can manage to fleece someone with a trade down. I'd MUCH rather see that happen.

You can thank Lovie for that. He basically inherited all those guys and then decided to never provide the team with an offense, instead attempting to win every game 17-13 with forced turnovers. It was cool that one year, but maddening the rest of the time.

Throw the bank at Russell Okung and he's a stud for another 5 years minimum. It solidifies the OL, negates the 2nd move for Kyle Long, and provides a building block for a potential rookie QB.

A defensive player at #1 or #2? If the Bears get the #1, I hope they trade it or pick Goff and get the rebuild started.

It isn't about being emotional. It's about the fact that I don't think you should gut the whole team. Forte is still a stud, one of the top backs in the NFL, and his backups are completely unproven. A rookie QB, which could very well be behind center next year, needs vet studs to lean on, a running game to depend upon, a TE as a security blanket. He doesn't need other rookies littering the field, screwing up alongside him. If the Bears get rid of Forte, much less Forte and either Jeffery or Bennett, they better invest everything else they have in the offensive line. Otherwise that rookie QB will get killed, his will smashed like David Carr, regardless of the weapons. Treating a player with dignity is letting him finish his career where he wants to if that player is a career-player, probable HOFer. It's not dumping him for pennies on the dollar because you want to rebuild. The former is what dignity is; the latter is is potentially a better financial move for a franchise. Financial.

Yes, lemon and I are from the old, old board. Before we moved here, there was Bearstalk, but before that there was something else. Webwaymonster? Anyway, I haven't felt as bad about a team in a long time. At least with Lovie's teams I always felt they'd end up somewhere around .500. Rarely more than that, but his teams were built to grind down games, make them slow and boring, and avoid blowouts. So there was rarely this sort of despair. I think the last time I felt this bad about the Bears was 2002, during the final days of the three stooges: Jauron the moron, Shoop (worst OC in NFL history), and Greg Blache (sharpest crayon, but still a crayon). I think that was the year we lost TOP every game, or something like that. Wanny's last year was rough as well. What makes this year rough is the lack of talent. In the other years it felt like there was still talent on which to build. Having said that, if Cutler is playing, I think the Bears have a shot. If Cutler AND Alshon are playing, I think the Bears should be the favorite. If Cutler AND Alshon are playing, AND Webb were the starting OG for the Raiders, I'd put money on it. If Cutler AND Alshon are playing, AND Webb were the starting OT for the Raiders, I'd put my mortgage on it.

Forte makes some sense, but I'd hate it. He's still a stud. Jeffery makes zero sense. IF the Bears draft a QB next year -- they will -- they he will need solid weapons around him.

Why wouldn't he be resigned? He's still a monster. He's the best player on the team.

One of the rare occasions where we all agree. A 6th for a guy that barely made the roster and was probably going to get released at the end of the season? That's a win.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. Jared Allen? Fine. He wasn't a life-long Bear. But the Bears shouldn't dump their life-long HOFers while they still have tread on the tires.

I agree. Amari Cooper is going to have a field day against the Bears' secondary. And when we pull back to double him, Latavius Murray will probably run wild.

It's because they are trying to launch it deep into the end zone or out of the end zone. Well, the Bears appears to have problems on ST, so it'd probably be safer to go for less yards, and more coverage. A 30 yard punt with a fair catch is better than a 50 yard punt with a 30 yard return. Or worse.

The intent may not be there, but I sure wish he were still on the Bears. He's a stud on the field. Fox is a strong enough leader to handle off-field nonsense appropriately.

Man I miss Joe D. I'm thinking just about anyone could do better than what's happening now. "Hey Robbie, kick it high so that it comes down around the 10 or so. I'd like to get the coverage guys down there. Also, make sure you kick it towards a corner. If it goes out of bounds, so be it, but I want the ball towards a corner." What's so hard about that?

This team will probably not win a game the rest of the year without Cutler. This team NEEDS Cutler. His big arm is the only thing keeping the defense honest. Clausen. LOL. Crazy how bad he looked.

I agree with Adam. The Bears have played competitively with three of the better teams in the NFL. Well, maybe not last week's second half, but otherwise yes.

What moron thought that defensive plan was a good idea when Seattle had 2 timeouts?

I'll just add one thing to this thread, which is adding on to DBDB's comments, and that is the fact, FACT, that Jay Cutler has never had a great OL while in Chicago. There have been good players here and there, but pretty much every year the majority of the OL has been subpar. 09-Pace, Omiyale, Kreutz, Garza, Williams - Pace and Omiyale were not good, and Williams was figuring things out post-move 10-Omiyale, Williams, Kreutz, Garza, Webb - BOTH OTs are horrible, Williams continues to get the run-around 11-Webb, Williams, Garza, Spencer, Louis - Yikes! And still the Williams dilemma, finding out he might not be a good OG. 12-Webb, Rachal, Garza, Louis, Carimi - Louis no good outside? Draft a rookie OT and move Louis inside, where he sucks. 13-Bushrod, Slauson, Garza, Long, Mills - This is the one year. The infamous Cutler vs McCown year we have talked about ad nauseum. I still contend that Cutler would have pounded the defenses McCown did, and would have gone for about 4000yds, 30TDs, 17INTs. BTW - Mills was good for a rookie, but he was still not that good. 14-Bushrod, Ola, Garza, Long, Mills - Ola started more games than Slauson, and there is serious debate about whether Bushrod was subpar and on the decline. 15 - It remains to be seen...

Steak cooked in a urine-soaked pan = Tastes horrible Steak burned by a moron chef = Tastes horrible Steak served with skunk au jus = Tastes horrible The constant, regardless of being constant, is not always to blame. Least? LEAST?! HAHA! C'mon man. You're killing me. Clauson for President.

Later comments are right...I don't like it. Can we just let the guy stick in one place, learn to dominate, and draft the other positions? Believe it or not, there are differences to RG, RT, and LT, and if we keep moving him around we risk his current excellence. Now, if it happens and he turns into an all-pro LT? Great. But why risk a currently known quantity? We know right now that if he stays at RG and avoids injury, he's probably a guy who dominates for 10+ years and goes to the HOF. BTW - If the Bears get the first pick overall, I would love nothing more than a trade down. I am not a fan of the #1 pick, nor am I in love with any of the QB crop.