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Massie...Well...Bye
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8 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Just like with Watson - I don't think any price is too high for the Bears to land a franchise type QB. It is going to be expensive - but at that point - you focus the rest of your energy on making the rest of the roster better knowing you have found an individual talent who will also make others better.
But my expectation is - any trade for Wilson or Watson probably ends up costing 3 1st round picks (or 2 1st rounders + 2nd rounder + someone at Roquan Smith type of level).
And that price tag would be colossally stupid. Football is more of a team sport than any other sport. Harmony and skill and nearly all levels is required.
it would be better to trade for picks to increase the odds of picking studs, than to put everything on the shoulders of a QB with huge promise being protected by scrubs. Funny, I think we have seen how that concept plays out fairly recently.
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4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Almost any QB mentioned in trades is much better than having our past QBs. Obtaining the elite would devastate our next 2 years of draft picks. How would that make us a SB contender? Watson didn't make Houston a SB contender. Our cap situation puts us in a [ it ain't happening category].
Bingo.
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I thought I saw somewhere that he'd be willing to come to Chicago as well. Personally, I'd hate it for two reasons:
1. It would likely cost a 1st round pick. At least.
2. He's just mobile enough, and throws well enough on the run, that he'd potentially make Pace/Nagy look good.
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6 hours ago, BearFan2000 said:
This is exactly why they should have cleaned house. You have Pace and Nagy who will be more motivated to mortgage the future for the present in hopes to save their jobs than look at what's best for the Bears long term. Their perspective is extremely short term and focused on this coming season only. I can see Pace swinging for the fences and screwing the team further for years to come in a vein effort to save his and Nagy's jobs. If the Ownerships' intent was to let them stay knowing full well they will likely fire them next year, then their perspective is severely limited too. Ownership needs to do what's best for the team long term. If your intent is to fire Pace/Nagy after 2021. Why keep them knowing the moves they make could do damage to the teams future leaving the next GM and HC to clean up an even bigger mess than we have now.
That's what we all see, but for some reason the Bears' ownership/management doesn't. It's baffling.
Then again, that's the type of thing we've seen for 20+ years in various forms and fashions, and it's why the organization has not been a consistent winner.
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1. The Bears should never trade up for a 1st rd QB again. The lesson should have been learned.
2. Mac Jones makes up for arm strength precisely with anticipation and touch. I'm not saying he's Montana or Manning, but it's the same concept.
3. The McCaskeys don't care about winning. They care about $$$.
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9 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
Out of those, I think the only one with a chance to be better than Mitch is Darnold.
Agree. Also, since Darnold is more of a pocket passer and less mobile, maybe it would provide an incentive to the Bears' front office to focus on OL. If they were to go with Mariota or Minshew, there is zero doubt Nagy's dumb ass would be installing the mid-90s Nebraska option because he is so much smarter than everyone else.
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What am I missing here? 6 years as a defensive quality control coach with the Bears from 2013 to 2018, and then two years as the safeties coach from 2019-2020. How in the world does that translate into DC? Is this a loyalty promotion from a notoriously cheap franchise known for poor coaching decisions?
- His "record" while with the Bears is 55-73
- The defensive points against have been 30,31,20,24,9,1,4,14 from 2013-2020
- The defensive yards against have been 30,30,14,15,10,3,8,11 in the same time frame
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More specifically, the passing ranks in terms of passing yards, passing TDs, INTs:
- 2013 - 15, 14, 8
- 2014 - 30, 31, 14
- 2015 - 4, 25, 30
- 2016 - 7, 11, 29
- 2017 - 7, 5, 29
- 2018 - 7, 8 ,1
- 2019 - 9, 4, 25
- 2020 - 12, 16, 23
So the guy puts in work as defensive QC coach for six years, pays his dues, and becomes the safeties coach. Subsequently, Eddie Jackson, the all world, ball-hawking safety turns into an average Joe safety, and the passing defense regresses for two straight years.
I know the players are coming out singing his praises, but that doesn't look like a guy I'd hire as a DC, regardless of how long he's been around or if he has a PhD.
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This fits perfectly into my "go hard on defense to save their jobs"-approach that Pace and Nagy would be smart to take.
- ----------Watt Goldman Hicks----------
- --Mack-----Smith-----Trevathan-----Quinn--
That would be a front seven that transforms the team's chances at victory. That would be a front seven that should dominate, time of possession, provide interception opportunities for the secondary, terrorize quarterbacks, and minimize the pressure on the offense. With that front seven, the Bears wouldn't need more than 20 or so points a game to win, and potentially be Super Bowl contenders.
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15 hours ago, ParkerBear7 said:
Jason, You probably watch more college ball than I do so curious to what you think of Mac Jones?
Not only do I watch a ton of college football, but I live in Alabama. I may be biased. I love Mac Jones. I think he'll potentially be the best QB of the entire draft. He is not flashy, but he's very accurate, very composed, big game player, great leader, innate pocket presence, and makes great decisions. In my opinion he's being overlooked in favor of some of the others.
If the Bears were to go the QB route, I would hope that Mac Jones falls to the Bears at their current position. Unfortunately, he's not flashy, so he's probably not even on the Nagy/Pace radar.
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21 hours ago, ParkerBear7 said:
Following your logic but don’t understand drafting Two DT’s in the first three Picks? Why not take the best cover slot DB or S in the 3rd Round to sure up the secondary?
I disagree on your assessment of Bilal Nichols and Brent Urban they made plays all year. DT is a strength especially with Goldman back next season.
My Preference would be to make a move into the 12 - 20 pick range for Mac Jones or trade back and take two OT’s early and then best player available at WR, LB, Edge, S, CB, QB. Fixing the O-Line would pay immediate dividends. Imagine if the offense Line was able to sustain drives which would keep the defensive fresh thus having a greater impact on the entire team. We know how continuing down the same path of investing disproportionately to the defense while ignoring the offensive line leads to mediocracy. The trenches after all are where games are won or lost!
I agree about OL helping, but I don’t see it turning around the offense enough to make the team very good in ONE year. This is a “save your job” move for Pace and Nagy.
As for DL being a strength, we just disagree. Compared to the other positions, that’s where the most help is needed. Maybe 1 OLB, maybe 1 ILB, maybe a FS.
Goldman? I agree, if he stays on the field. If not, next man up, and Nichols is not the man.
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5 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:
The Eagles may just be looking to draft a QB int he first round this year. Maybe they never loved Wentz, and were disappointed in how Pederson developed Jalen Hurts, and maybe the management wanted someone other than Hurts, and Pederson won that argument on the basis that he was the QB whisperer, and now they want to sent Wentz while he still has value, and use their 6th overall pick to take another shot at QB, and maybe they wanted the new coach to be the one to make that choice.
That would explain why Wentz wants out now too.Picking another QB in the draft this year after the promise Hurts showed this year? That would be moronic. Are they getting advice from the Bears' front office?
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8 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Wow, no Oline until the 6th round? Are you sure your account hasn’t been hacked?
I would think at this point Trvevathan is more a weakness than either Urban or Nichols are (and I live Danny). But I see you addressed the ILB position in the second and with a Bama guy no doubt - nice.
If we’re only focusing on defense I’d think they might want to look at a FS type player (I don’t know where from yet) just to lite a fire under Jackson a bit. He’s gotten a bit lax this last season especially. Maybe if he thought they were looking to replace him he’d get back to his 2018 self.
I'm not saying it's my preference, but if I were Pace/Nagy, I'd be thinking about a quick turnaround for job security. This team is not going to be very good on offense next year, regardless of the moves they make. But the pieces on defense are a lot better and can carry the team if the right moves are made.
Hicks - Goldman - Barrimore: Could be an elite front three that leads to huge success in the 2nd/3rd level.
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Let's say Pace and Nagy think their best chance to remain employed is to improve defense. The weaknesses are Nichols, Urban, and Quinn, IMHO. Would something like this draft turn the tide?
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama (A) - Urban on the bench
Round 2 Pick 20: Dylan Moses, ILB/OLB, Alabama (A) - Utility knife on D
Round 3 Pick 19: Tommy Togiai, DT, Ohio State (A) - Pressures Nichols to start
Round 5 Pick 20: Joshua Kaindoh, DE/OLB, Florida State (A+) - Super long, pressures Quinn to start
Round 6 Pick 20: Jake Curhan, OT, California (A+) - I had to do it
Round 6 Pick 34 (COMP): Warren Jackson, WR, Colorado State (A+) - Huge upside, underrated
Round 6 Pick 39 (COMP): Shemar Jean-Charles, CB, Appalachian State (A+) - Could fit nicely at nickle
Round 7 Pick 4: Zach Smith, QB, Tulsa (B+) - I actually think this dude is a huge sleeper at QBCould they win with D and ball control on offense? It may be easier to do quickly than by trying to improve the offense. If I were Pace/Nagy, I'd be thinking this.
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14 hours ago, McGowan said:
Tonight we got to see what Mahomes would look like playing for the Bears.
PREACH PREACH PREACH. Finally someone makes the perfect comparison. Mahomes has generational talent, but it doesn't matter if he's always running for his life.
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I think there are some blue/orange glasses looking at the offensive comparisons. Evans is a monster; ARob is good. Their OL rocks; Brady would have died with the Bears' OTs. Jones and Fournette are definitely better. Also, Gronk had five less targets, way more yards, and one less TD; he's better than Graham.
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The thing that worries me the most about Wentz is the wrist. I broke mine two years ago, and despite surgery it has never felt right. There are a bunch of little bones in there, and it takes a lot of luck to get back to the original starting point. And he's had several injuries. If he was so good before last year, why did he regress last year? It's likely an accumulation of injuries. Read this take and form your own opinion:
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Easy question. What is Mack worth in trade? Some of y'all follow that type of stuff a lot more than I do. You're more keen on the salary cap implications.
The reason I ask is two-fold:
- Denver's defense wasn't good in 2020
- Fangio is their coach
What could the Bears get from them?
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23 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:
DBEARS, I agree with a lot of what you wrote above, but if a guy cant even make it as the starter in North Carolina until his senior year, I think youve got to consider that to put intangibles into context.
Mahomes was a winner in college, and Trubisky wasnt. If Im taking a QB #2 overall, hes got to have won something.100% agree. I'll go one further. If you're going to draft someone #2, after trading up from #3, that guy not only should have won something, but he should have had several "HOLY S#!T" moments in college. To be honest, the red flags from Trubisky were glaring, and I can't really understand why so many were so enamored with him. I remember breaking this down somewhere on the board when he was being discussed, but the dude had a bad game every time he faced a decent team his senior year.
- 24/40, 156yds vs UGA
- 13/33, 58yds, 2INTs vs VT
- 23/39, 280yds, 2TDs, 2INTs vs Stanford
I guess Pace must have loved when Trubisky was lighting up James Madison.
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2 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:
it's possible that he feared it. But he should have taken Mahomes.
At the time Watson made the most sense after tearing NCAA football a new ass. That made a lot more sense that Mitch. And it made a metric ton more sense than trading up for Mitch.
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Salt in the wound from Hub. Brings up some good points about questions nobody is asking, and all the more reason - other than the franchise-sacrificing trade - Watson to the Bears is a bad idea.
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12 hours ago, BearFan2000 said:
It's been reported that the Texans have named their price tag and it's steep. Two first rounders, two second rounders, and two young defensive starters, as a starting point.
HELL NO.
12 hours ago, Connorbear said:Would you trade 2 1sts for Dak?
Peace
HELL NO.
10 hours ago, BearFan2000 said:With pace anything's possible he could even trade up to take a QB or player that would have otherwise been there at 20, etc. Only given with Pace is there will be some head scratching selections.
Please, Dear God, please stop Pace from even thinking trading up to take a QB.
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Check this out. ESPN's take on the state of the NFL, where teams stand in terms of how close to the SB they are, and the write up on the Bears. Interesting that the Bears are the lowest rated team in their list out of all the teams that made the playoffs. To me it's interesting for two reasons. One, because they realize the Bears weren't really playoff quality. Two, because they realize the Bears are missing several pieces of the puzzle.
Which all makes one question why in the hell are Pace and Nagy around for another year?
Russell Wilson
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LOL. I was thinking if he was a friend, he’d steer Wilson away from Chicago. I mean, I love the team, and the city, but he is likely set up for failure if he joins the Bears.