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8 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Bowen is one of the best. Not saying he is the best but he does his homework and isn’t someone who talks to talk or who tries to take shock stances.
And his description sounds exactly how people describe Fields. Turns down layups, tries for big plays, extends plays to his detriment. It’s exactly how people characterize Fields, but in the NFL.
Even if those were some of those were Fields faults in college, at least he dominated while in college. Williams lost 5 of his last 6, then bailed on his team for the bowl game.
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23 hours ago, adam said:
Fields is very similar, but his is quick reads and MoF throws. He reminds me of a pitcher that can't throw a slider to save his life and has to go back to his bread and butter curve even when a slider is needed. Fields is at or near his ceiling. It seems now that he can only improve by improving everything around him. That is a team that can make the playoffs but will never get beyond one playoff win or so. There are a lot of QBs in that tier. I would say a good portion of the league make up that group.
At this point, if you know that, you might as well take your shot while you have it. The Bears roster is too good to finish in the top 5 again, they are trending away from the top 10, so if they are going to get a new QB, it's this year.
This is where I disagree. Fields has had a bad or below average OL his entire time in Chicago. The offensive weapons he has had are arguably worse.
It’s like giving a Julliard trained musician a few strings hooked up to a bowed stick from the backyard: there will be moments of brilliance where you realize his musical genius is far beyond the norm, but ultimately he won’t be able to make incredible music with garbage, and you end up doubting whether or not he actually is as good as everyone says he is.
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On 2/7/2024 at 11:00 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
As much as I hate Sharpe, that was respectful. As much as I'd love to see Fields come to fruition, the Bears cannot pass on the chance. I've seen Caleb regress this season under top teams and his backup destroy Stanford in the bowl game, who also beat ND, but I will trust the so called experts that label him as the next best.
The weight on Poles is tremendous, he can get a kings ransom to trade down or take the next coming at QB. I neglected Mahomes for having the smallest hands in his class and look at him now. You need a QB that can produce and build around. If JF would be happy to go to ATL, it would be respectful to make that happen.
Big mistake. The "experts" have been screwing up evaluation and drafts for the Bears for over 30 years.
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Einstein:
Quote'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. '
- John Fox 2015 - Cutler lacks protection, we all hate Fox
- John Fox 2016 - Cutler lacks protection, we all hate Fox
- John Fox 2017 (Lame Duck Year) - Trubisky drafted
- Matt Nagy 2018 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense is amazing, makes Nagy look smart
- Matt Nagy 2019 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense regresses, Nagy not so smart
- Matt Nagy 2020 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense stays average, Nagy still not smart
- Matt Nagy 2021 (Lame Duck Year) - Fields drafted
- Matt Eberflus 2022 - Fields lacks protection, but shows some potential for greatness, we side-eye Eberflus
- Matt Eberflus 2023 - Fields lacks protection, and is neutered, we already hate Eberflus
- Matt Eberflus 2024 (Lame Duck Year) - ???
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4 hours ago, killakrzydav said:
I agree. Bowers is so much better than Kmet its not even close. There isnt a single fan base out there that thinks Kmet is a top ten the.
But wasn’t he literally a top ten TE in 2023?
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On 2/5/2024 at 8:04 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Kmet is not a move TE, he is inline or Y. Bowers would be your move, H back/slot WR.
Look no further than the years of winning by Gronkowski and now Kelce. Those two have helped carry their franchises to multiple SBs.
A base two TE set would wreck havoc on defenses deciding to put run personal or dime in. Nabors would be the Tyreek Hill explosive threat and Moore your reliable go to. Kmet a weapon too and one of the best run blocking TEs.
I agree, he would be a luxury and a QBs best friend.
I don't know if I agree that Kmet is purely a Y. Based on alignment, I thought traditional TE=Y and TE who is used in the slot, backfield, etc. is a "move" or "Z." He may not line up in the backfield, but I've seen him in the slot. Either way, he's a #1 TE and the Bears should fill other holes before spending early draft capital on another pass-catching TE, whatever the categorization.
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2 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I read an article where Caleb Williams actually said he was better than Mahomes. It was right after he won the Hiesman Trophy. The reason Mahomes got great was having a coach that developed him and a great team around him, PLUS his talent. If he was drafted by the Bears he would have never become the best QB in the league. I think Poles is one year away from building a team to have a plug and play QB the same situation SF put Purdy in. What might be bizziare is Bagent might turn into Purdy with a couple of years of development , wouldnt that be the bomb while we argue over other QBs.
Yeah, if that's true, it's yet another red flag for Caleb Williams. Also, I completely agree about Mahomes. If he were drafted by the Bears, he would have been ruined.
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I basically manufactured the trades to suit my needs, focus on offense, and support Fields.
- Best WR
- Best OC
- Best OG
- Insurance QB
- Remainder are high quality, good output players from big football schools.
At the end I was just being funny and maneuvering to get the former players' sons.
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26 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
it all depends on who you think Caleb can be for the Bears I guess.
You're not wrong that trading down and gaining a package like that would be franchise altering. And you could trade it down again too and it starts to look like Madden or the draft sites how silly it gets except in this case, it's actually real. So there is a great argument for what you're saying. Assuming you think really well of one of the other QBs.
But if you really believe Caleb could be a Hall of Fame QB and win multiple superbowls, then it's worth the price.
But who knows? I guess you try to put a percentage on it, and weigh the options.
This is a defining moment for the next decade+ of the Bears, and it's a really difficult question to answer.
I guess the best thing to say is all the options don't suck, so we're sitting pretty no matter which way it goes.Years and years have gone by with so many of these "once in a lifetime" guys. The platitudes and hyperbole happens every year about this guy and that guy, but it's always a guess. Far too many fail, and it's pure 50/50 crap shoot at best.
And we've also seen far too many guys who legitimately could have been HoFers in terms of their talent, but were failed by the drafting franchise through either a lack of coaching support or offensive teammate support.
I guess the point I'm making is that putting Caleb Williams behind the Bears' OL, with the Bears' offensive weapons, is basically throwing a sheep to wolves yet again...and setting the franchise back another 3-4 years.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
I get it. But, it's a totally different story. Do some digging. He's not Mitch. I'll be at the combine to watch them all in three weeks and will be looking for the little things.
I've watched video, read reports, and no matter what I do I still think, "Yeah, but North Carolina and Trubisky."
It's like that one liquor that you got absolutely shit-faced to in college, and even though someone offers it to you years later, the mere thought of it makes you want to vomit.
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If Washington is willing to give up the #2, and TWO OTHER FIRST ROUND PICKS, then Poles would be insane to turn that down. That's foundation building, and the Bears would be able to build a stacked roster instead of a QB on a team full of scrubs.
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On 2/3/2024 at 9:48 AM, Mongo3451 said:
That's what I want regardless of where Caleb wants to go. That's because I'm a Drake Maye guy. The extra picks would be icing...
I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but I can't believe any Bears fan is a Drake May guy after Trubisky.
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22 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Here are two mocks, one taking CW and one trading down twice. The trade down nets two 2025 1sts and a 2nd. 2025 would give the Bears flexibility to do a Detroit and take a stud RB or ILB high.
I hate all drafts that grab Bowers. A second pass catching TE is a luxury, and there are actual spots of need right now.
Yeah, yeah, Gronk and Hernandez, but otherwise it’s not realistic. Two “move” TEs just hasn’t successfully happened as far as I can recall otherwise.
I’d rather see someone like Brevyn Spann-Ford from Minnesota in round 5.
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On 2/2/2024 at 11:55 AM, killakrzydav said:
This one would be pretty amazing.
maybe a little scary to throw a rookie QB behind a bunch of OL inexperience, but I think Fautanu and JPJ start immediately. And Jordan Morgan fights for a spot as well.
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18 hours ago, Pixote said:
How would he perform if:
1) What if he had an improved OL that gave him confidence when he dropped back in the pocket? How many times did I see him make a 3 to 5-step drop, and before he could even set his back foot to throw, he found the blitzing defender, beat him to the spot, and tried to decapitate him?
2) What if he had better receivers? Yes, DJ and Cole are awesome. But when that is all you must depend on, the opposing DC can take away their edge by scheming. If Justin had another WR he could depend on in the lineup (and this year's draft has some awesome talent at WR), how would that affect Fields' performance?
3) What if he had an OC who knew what the hell he was doing? An OC that could design an offense around his amazing talents and not try to force him into a template. An OC who knew how to call plays to counter the defensive schemes being used against us. An OC who knew how to make adjustments on the fly?
4) What if this OC had a history of shaving 1+ seconds off of a QB's release time? One that has proven to be able to work with mobile QBs?
Hell, I have no answer to those questions. I would love to have one more year to find out!
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1) Keep Justin.
2) Trade back and get a ton of blue-chip players to continue to upgrade our starting lineup.
3) Draft a good prospect at QB early to groom behind Justin.
That would be my plan, which doesn't fit either of your three options.
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6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I have seen her on many videos, her opinions are all over the place.
Right? Call me sexist, but I just can’t trust her opinion in a male dominated sport. I don’t think she is REALLY getting the scoop. She’s getting platitudes and courtesy, but that’s it.
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I traded and traded again.
If the Bears are going with Williams, then I don't want to hear any of this BS about WRs not getting open. Both Mitchell and McConkey are basically unguardable half the game. Both of them excel at route running, and their highlights are full of them just randomly being wide open somehow. Add in SVP, who I think is the best overall Center in the draft, and ZZ who would have gone much earlier if not for injury, and that's a lot of help for the offense and rookie QB.
Defensive starters are just gravy.
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On 1/27/2024 at 5:22 PM, BearFan PHX said:
A defensive oriented head coach like Wannstedt or Eberflus will absolutely tell the offense to run more, eat more clock, take fewer risks and play field position. Look at Tony Dungy. That's the blueprint.
Unfortunately, the rules have changed in the NFL and the days of smothering a good opponent 13-7 are much fewer. To realistically win in the NFL youve got to be able to put 30 points up on a somewhat regular basis. And that doesnt work with safe zone, eat clock, possession football of 30 years ago.Honestly, that's why I was such a fan of Martz and Crowton. They were offensive minds. Some say they were crazy, but they at least tried to step outside the box and shock the defense. Remember that Martz was short-lived under Lovie because the Tackles where Omi-Fail and Jamarcus Webb (LOL), and instead of getting receivers they thought they'd take Devin Hester and turn him into one. As for Crowton, who could forget the Cade McNown draft (hated it), which turned into the Matthews-Miller-McNown law firm of mediocrity. If either of them had the support of the organization or the HC, maybe they would have succeeded.
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On 1/26/2024 at 10:23 AM, adam said:
Of the players listed here, who are you resigning, who exceeded expectations:
Obviously JJ did, Mooney was terrible, Ngakoue underperformed, Tonyan was a joke, Patrick was bad, Jones was ok, Foreman had flashes but his inactives were odd. Scales if fine, really didn't get to see Feeney, so that ends up as sort of a wasted draft pick trade. Lewis was very solid for TE3, Green was terrible, Taylor was serviceable at best. Did Cole play? ESB underperformed this year and seemed hurt or inactive more than anything. Blackwell was decent from what I remember. Reed did nothing.
So there are a lot of roster spots to fill, and most could use upgrades.
LOL. This is easy. Everyone under JJ can be cut without losing a second of sleep.
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I’m this order:
C - Connor Williams
WR2 - Calvin Ridley
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On 1/14/2024 at 1:59 PM, Lucky Luciano said:
ok, riddle me this....
how did our defensive scheme hold up against PLAYOFF teams with good + qb's?
i seem to remember they could pass at will to our soft zones. like maybe green bay has been doing for over 20 years?
how did it hold up before we had a very good defensive end to pressure the qb?
how did it hold up against playoff teams even with sweat? how did green bay counter that? QUICK passes into our zones that nobody covered. they could have beat us by 50 if they wanted to.
how did lovie smith's defense hold up against playoff teams with good + quarterbacks after he fired chico and gave the DC to his linebacker coach to mimic his defensive style and game plan?
i'm sorry but this is the same old shite we have been beaten to a pulp with for over 20 years.
Preach the gospel, brother. Preach it.
I’m so sick of this base cover-2 concept as a bend-but-don’t-break starting point because eventually it gets shredded by good QBs with decent TTT, or decent QBs with good TTT.
I know there are numerous times over the years I’ve remarked while watching that the Bears D was making some journeyman QB into a HOFer. Who remembers when TO got like 46 receptions for a gazillion yards in one game and Jeff Garcia looked like Tom Brady on Ritalin?
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2 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Your wild card strategy….Bears sign Russel Wilson, trade the first for a fortune and trade Justin.
Why you ask? Because Wilson post cut has offset language in his contract so Bears could pay him league minimum for a couple years and just built a monster around him.
Note: I am not really proposing the above - but I guarantee there is an analytics model somewhere that says that would be a brilliant idea.
Honestly, I’d be 100% OK with that. Make an immediate run for the SB.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
Not only is not possible for them. It's dumb as hell for us. Revisionist history tells us trading away picks is not beneficial. We would have to trade them three number ones for Herbert, not just THE number one. Then yes, you are on it. How do you protect the new guy? We already ruined every QB we've had the last thirty years by NOT providing them the protection to do their damn job! Why would we trade for another guy, just to ruin him by trading away capitol?
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10 hours ago, ParkerBear7 said:
This is an unlikely scenario but I’m an out of the box thinker!
We know that teams are getting more and more impatient every year. Oakland fired Hurricane Josh McDaniels less than 2 years in but they should have never hired him in the first place as he was a disaster in Denver; then jilted the Colts. I never understood why Aaron Rodgers chose to go to the AFC which is an absolute Gauntlet to make it to the SB having to go through all those talented teams with stud QBs Patrick Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow et ol!
With this stated premise could a team like the LA Charges decide to do a reset now knowing that they are pretty far behind KC, Buffalo, Cincy, Baltimore etc that they would consider trading Justin Herbert to the Bears for the number 1 pick in this years Draft? The Rams and Lions kinda of did this a few years ago and it seemed to be a win win for both organizations. Rams won the superbowl two years ago and the Lions are advancing to the NFC championship game this year.
If I’m Ryan Poles I’m leaving no stone unturned. Imagine pulling off a trade like this then flipping Fields to a team like Pittsburgh or Atlanta?
I’m glad others have made that impossible from a cap perspective, because I would hate it for two reasons.
1. It would put Herbert in a less than envious position with multiple glaring holes on offense, same as Fields.
2. It would neuter trade potential for Fields.
Drafting Williams would be insane
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You were all in on Trubisky too. I hated him, the trade, AND the pick.
None of us are right all the time, and I’ve been wrong a lot, but I trust my gut on this one. Williams is loaded with red flags and is going to be a bust.