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Meanwhile, the Patriots get both Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower..
Which goes right towards what I said earlier. It's not a smart pick just because the Bears did something nearly none of us wanted or expected. It's only a smart pick when selections like this one turn the Bears into a perennial powerhouse that threatens for the SB every year. Until then, it looks like a bad fit from either a HC pushing his opinions on a GM or a GM taking a risk when one wasn't necessary.
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Bears drafted him as an end and Emery thinks he's a 3 down player. They weren't adding a LB, they are adding a DE. We might not agree with the pick but the Bears are picking him cause they think he's an every down DE who can be explosive.
That's what they're saying, and that's what I hope, but I don't see it. He's too small and weak to be an every down DE. That's why everyone said he fits as a 3-4 guy, not a 4-3 guy.
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And just for the record, if he ends up doing well and getting 10 sacks as a situational pass-rusher, it's still not a smart pick. It's Mark Anderson 2.0. It's still a LB who they send after the QB instead of a DE, a player they could have drafted if that's what they actually wanted. It's adding to a position of strength (LB) when there are several similarly or higher rated players available at positions of need.
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Thats why he is a former personnel guy.
It could also be because he's got contacts all over the place and someone leaked that the Bears were dreaming about getting him.
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Great pick and why? They took the they wanted, not who we wanted.
That would make sense if the Bears were the Patriots and they were in the playoffs every year and a threat to go to the Super Bowl every year. But since they haven't, and they aren't, it doesn't make sense.
If thousands and thousands of Bears fans think the Bears need one of a few positions, it makes sense if the Bears select a player for that position in the first round. It doesn't make a lot of sense to draft a guy who may or may not be that position, especially when there are other guys at those positions rated higher.
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Horrible pick.
Problems:
He's not strong
He's not a true DE
He's not a true OLB
The Bears don't play 3-4
Concussion history
Reiff still on the board
Decastro still on the board
Mercilus still on the board
Overall there were better players at bigger positions of need.
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Reiff!!!!
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Floyd, Hightower, Curry, Mercilus, Reiff all there...WTF is Lomardi smoking?
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F McShay and his mock. That would be horrible for numerous reasons.
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If that move were made to get Cox, I hate it.
If that move were made because Forte is not signable, I'm fine with it.
If Khalil gets past Minnesota at 3, I love it.
But it's not happening.
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I agree with this, generally, about Martz. Don't agree with you on Urlacher. I loved the pick and wondered early in his first season why they were moving him around so much and didn't settle at MLB immediately. I think lots of people liked/loved the pick. Were you a Plaxico guy? HA!
OK OK, this thread has become too meta. What was a thread about Rachal then became about TO and is now about Jason. Silly interwebs. I promise this is my last post on this particular thread. If I want to talk about Jason or TO, I'll do so in a thread dedicated to them!
Just kidding. Let's move on kids.Here I was thinking it was about TO and his physical abilities as it relates to the concept of cutting a player (i.e. Rachal) who doesn't perform up to snuff. Maybe that's why I couldn't get you to agree with the fact that he's still physically better than many others in the NFL.
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I think you are going to sorely disappointed unless someone falls.
I fully expect draft day disappointment. It goes with being a Chicago Bears fan.
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Agreed, but that just one more nail in the coffin. He already pushed himself into the late rounds with all of his crap, and the failed drug test is just icing on the top of the failure cake.
Understood. MJ+Person Fouls+slow combine+throwing coach under the bus=RED FLAG.
Having said that, I would still put a 6th or 7th towards him, hoping he gets his head out of his ass. He's definitely got talent greater than someone drafted that late. Having said that, I'd take a bunch of Mike Brown types - guys without the measurables but have great minds and football instincts - every day of the week.
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I experience no slow downs on the site.
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Cool ,cool.
But there is a difference between liking the Martz hire at the time, and defending him at the end of a two year debacle.
You continue to paint with a biased brush. I've admitted to numerous Martz mistakes; your memory just isn't that good. But at the same time I'm open-minded enough to admit that a great majority of Martz issues would have been solved if the front office had actually paid attention to getting Martz the tools required to run a professional offense. The QB was a great step in that direction, but the collection of bad-to-average at OL and WR made his job a virtual impossibility.
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Hell, even though we disagree on TO and your abilities as GM, I still enjoy arguing with you and expect it'll always be in good spirits.
And dude, you shot yourself down on being a good GM when you admitted missing on Urlacher. Sheesh. The guy is going into the HOF and you wanted who instead?
C'MON! Virtually nobody hit on Urlacher! He was a Safety that got turned into a MLB. I guarantee that wasn't mentioned on most Bears boards at the time.
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A dumbass, indeed, but I hope the Bears pick him in the 7th. A talent considerd 2-4 grabbed in the 7th is a steal.
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He tested positive for Mary Jane at the combine............. pass
So he's stupid, and uses MJ...how is that different than many other players in the league?
This just in, there are guys in the league who get single digits on the Wonderlic - a test so simple the average high school freshman would ace. Hell, Dexter Manley was illiterate! Also, I'm sure there are tons of guys in the NFL who use marijuana.
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Actually he has some good thoughts, but not the TO thing. He is spot on with the Oline needs a LT thought.
Likewise. It's all in good spirits. When people vehemently disagree, it's difficult to change the other's opinion.
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Ha!
Pix, I wish we could kinda do a reverse "It's a Wonderful Life" where we'd see what the Bears would look like in 5 years after Jason was hired as GM. He clearly thinks he's got the right stuff, I'd love to see the results... That's all I'm sayin'.
Good Lord...I wish that too. There would have been hits and misses (saddens me to think we wouldn't have had Urlacher), but I have no doubt in my mind we'd have been better than we have been over the last 5 - 10 years. We may not have had some of the better defensive picks that have come from later rounds, but we would have been much more solid offensively, would have had a much more steady/solid OL, would have been more dynamic on offense with plenty of pass-catching options, and azbearsfan, Martz would have been a success in Chicago as a result (he failed primarily because the OL was shit his entire time here; it's not up for debate - all other problems fixed with a stronger OL).
1st Round quick hitters:
-I loved Moss
-I hated Enis
-I loved Mike Williams
-I hated the Benson pick
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What do you think signing Marshall is? The Bears addressed WR in a big way this off season already. And he's probably all the head case one team can handle! At least he's got some history with Cutler that should help keep him on track.
And to your point about his skills, nobody here is granting you that point either. If you look at the film there appears to be some modest burst left on certain plays but I wouldn't call any of that compelling evidence. You're seeing what you want to see. And even if he's capable of being our #2, with his recent injury history, is he a guy you can count on for more than a few weeks before he blows out another part on his OLD body? I won't even go into the character issues and team cancer concerns which you've already conceded.
So basically what we're saying: Do the math dude. Stop trying to suggest that we're all whiners that then overlook gems you see just sitting out there waiting to be picked up. You can't polish a turd and he's one of the biggest turds in league history. I fully expect a meltdown of massive proportions from him when he runs completely out of money. And I hope it's big enough to keep him out of the HOF, because I for one, don't like it when dicks like TO make it in.
I've conceded the math of attitude+skills
But this all started, and is in this thread about Chilo Rachal, because the logic of "if he sucks, just cut him, no harm no foul" was used. I still contend the same logic applies to TO. Further, this thread continued on because you've claimed his talents have eroded drastically. And I've yet to see someone concede the idea that no matter how much his talents have eroded, just on the minimal tape we have, he's better than most #3 WRs in the NFL. Just start there. Is that not a simple and logical statement?
As for the gem comment, this is more about WR than anything. All people have talked about for years is WR this and WR that. And for several years both TO and Moss have been available. And each year this topic arises on Bears' message boards only to be shouted down from the rafters because of the duo's admitted attitude problems. To me that is seeing a problem, complaining about the problem, and refusing to address the problem because you don't have the perfect solution. Sometimes you have to apply duct tape. That's all I'm saying, and all I have said. With his lessened talent, and nearly zero interest from the NFL, I have to think he knows this would be his last chance. And given his stats two years ago, I find it hard to believe he couldn't help this team more than Max Komar, Dane Sanzenbacher, and Devin Thomas. He starts shit? Cut him. He isn't as good as thought? Cut him. Easy.
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1. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
---Great run stuffer. Perfect compliment to the pass rushing Melton.
2. Nick Perry, DE, USC
---With the emergence of Brockers and Jones, some mocks have Perry falling into the mid-2nd. He's a great scheme fit.
3. James Brown, OT, Troy
---A lot of people think he's an NFL OG or LT.
4. Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
---Lanky WR who is a red zone threat. Reminds me of Plaxico Burress.
5. DaJohn Harris, DT, USC
---Bears add again to their DT rotation after losing Okoye and cutting Adams.
6. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
---Blake is a natural C, but he can compete for an OG spot until Garza loses his job, gets hurt, or retires.
7. Duke Ihenacho, SS, San Jose State
---Safety depth in case Conte, Wright, or Steltz flame out.
Thoughts?
I dislike waiting until the third to get OL help since I obviously think it's still the #1 need, but starting the draft with Brockers and Perry would be unreal. If the addition of those two didn't turn the Bears front-four into the NY Giants 2.0, where a QB isn't safe on any down, then I don't know what would.
Also, I'd rather seea CB in the 5th instead of another DT.
Overall, however, this would have to be considered a good draft for the Bears.
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Continuing with Lucky's recent research, the folks at ESPN (more specifically Grantland) have produced some interesting stats as they relate to the draft.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/785360...-truly-valuable
It's not all that surprising in some regards, but it does back up the concept that some positions are safer to draft in the first two rounds, and some have higher bust rates. TE is the safest in the first two rounds, and OL is the second safest.
Similarly, no position other than QB drops off in production like OL does after the first two rounds.
There are always reasons to debate data like this - we've probable covered them all - this is still the most extensive analysis of the type that I've seen.
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There are some problems with this draft.
these are the players available at there draft spots , I think they like better.
1-Brockers is still available and they jump on him at 19.
2-Adams/LT/OSU is still there and Jeff Allen from Ill and I think they jump on one of them at this point.
3-Quick./WR is still on the board and they go that way.
4-Prater/CB fits there system, and could compete for playing time.
5-Henry/FS/Wis good size and has potenial
6-Fugger/DE/Vandy brought him in for a look and go with him at this spot
7-D Fleming/LB/ND took a long look at him a month ago
I think they get pass rushing help from the 3 tackle spot with Brockers and still added Fugger in the 6th.
Got a OT in the second that everyone had a first round grade on.
Quick is a great upside WR from a small school.
The last 4 players add depth, with Prater being able to contribute at CB.
Good catch! If Adams is there for the Bears in the second and they don't select him, I'll be livid. That's a huge drop for a guy many thought wouldn't be there for the Bears in the first.
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In order for it to be polarizing, don't people have to like the pick?