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On SNF, they struggle. On MNF, they do not.
Wrong. The Bears have one of the worst MNF win percentages in the entire NFL.
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As I said when all the hype started: No way he's a first rounder. No freaking way. RGIII made him more than he made RGIII. This is not a Montana-Rice thing where the relationship is mutual.
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Why do you have to be so negative Jason? I've heard from reliable sources that Max Komar is destined to be the next Mike Hass and will soon be making a major impact on game #1 . . . of the pre-season.
It's going to be one helluva a battle in training camp. Who will be the white WR who probably sucks but might be able to play special teams. Sanzenbacher's got the definite edge, but I view Komar to be the dark-horse favorite.
I'm not negative Brad! Komar is a stud. He is sure to be starting in the league this year. I'm picking him up in fantasy. The Bears let another one go before he turned into the next Largent or Chrebet.
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Unfortunately, I agree with whizz. The positioning looks like DL in the first and due diligence says they go WR for the second.
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You cant really compare TO to signing Rachel, number one there is 9 years different in age and if your going to roll the dice, 28 is a better age to have someone than wont give you a one year and done. TO is getting no attention from anybody, and I think there must be a reason, and its not just because he is a pud, I would say he just cant run anymore. Moss gets a chance, because he still can, but doesnt mean he will be that good again, plus he isnt getting the vet min. salary. We gave a one year diva a chance last year, and I doubt if Williams will even make someones roster.
All valid points (particularly the age issue), but they gave the chance to the wrong diva. Roy Williams was never the player either TO or Moss was. Given my choice, I'd rather spend on an older, proven guy than a younger scrub (as you alluded to). Both can be cut, but there's a better probability that the older proven player will be the only one who produces on the field.
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I can't help but point out (again) that both Williams and Carimi were first round picks...picked up early in their respective drafts. They have both yet to prove themselves in their "drafted" position.
And for what it's worth, I saw another poster on another site mention how horrible the San Fran oline was. Apparently they rated down near where the Bears did in "allowed sacks". And they had three first rounders and two second rounders (including Rachal).
Again my opinion continues to be that OL man is not the solution ( or guarantee) at 1st round.
You've severely narrowed down the data set by just using 1st round OLinemen drafted by the Bears. All it proves is the Bears have had either bad luck, or bad evaluations.
The overall numbers for all OL players say an overwhelming number of better players are drafted in the first round.
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I see potential problems with the schedule...
1 Indy
2 @GB Thurs - Short week, primetime game
3 Stl
4 @Dal Mon - Primetime game
5 @ Jax - Short week
6 BYE
7 Det MON - Primetime game
8.Car - Short week
9 @ Tenn
10 Hou
11 @ SF Mon - Primetime game
12 Minn - Short week
13 Sea
14 @ Minn
15 GB
16 @ AZ
17 @ DET
That's 7 out of 16 weeks with either a short week, primetime game, or both. Also, three of the last four games are on the road. Both issues concern me somewhat.
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Except for the difference in money, starting expectations, how much they need the ball, drama, etc. Its a lot less easy with TO, etc.
If you would have made the comparison to a Komar, Thomas, Weems, Sanz, etc, that is the same thing.
Money with TO? I don't think it'd be as big of a problem since he's out of the league and virtually nobody is taking a look.
Expectations? Minimal. It's a shot in the dark hoping he has gas in the tank.
How much he needs the ball and the drama? If he whines, he's cut. What's difficult about that?
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Sounds like it's best to do something else in the Bay area than go to a pro game!
If you go, avoid the public transportation. It's great getting there, and great leaving, but from the stadium to the terminal is an absolute nightmare. They funnel roughly half the stadium in a tunnel that's about 10 feet wide and 60 yards long. That's 20 thousand (approximate) people all funneling together on a covered walkway (actually caged) where people are tired, hot, many drunk, some smoking, some smoking marijuana, and more than a few want desperately to live up to the Black Hole persona. Add in multiple vendors standing in the tunnel or fighting upstream to sell their BS and it's a recipe for disaster.
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I'm contemplating AZ depending on how Christmas fall for my family.
I'm staying far away from SF. The only actual conflict I've ever had watching games was with jackass SF fans... Poor losers and even poorer winners...
Oakland is MUCH worse...and it's not even the Black Hole mystique. It's the fact that the stadium sucks, everyone stands the entire game, the view is horrible, and getting out of the stadium is a fight/stabbing/murder just waiting to happen.
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Plus signing Rachel is nowhere near the same thing as TO or Randy Moss.
Agreed. It's different on every level. You have more headache, but you also have a nearly infinite talent and experience gap between those WRs and Rachal.
In the end, however, it's still a simple proposition: They F up, cut them. They make a scene, cut them. Easy. Just like Rachal.
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I was a huge fan of Burfict his first couple years but he just hasn't developed. If he had looked like a better player on the field then I'd agree with you and we could put aside his poor conditioning at the time of the biggest job interview of his life. I just didn't see it last year at all. I didn't see the fight to get off blocks. I didn't see the hustle to get in on plays away from him, he'd run that way but not like you see Urlacher chasing down a play. No we're not losing much if we use our 7th Rd pick but I just don't see even a 10% chance Burfict gets his act together and makes the team. That's why I'd rather grab a guy who has that 10% chance. I do see him as a better fit as an ILB in a 3-4 defense and if a teams take a chance on him I expect that's their base defense. I could be wrong. At this point I really think he'll just be a UDFA and he will get a chance in someone's camp.
NFL skills really? From the master of Oline skills no less? ....Let's see you should be fast 4.4-4.6 forty if you are a WR, RB, CB, ...eh you get the idea. There is a certain amount of physical ability that is needed to compete at the NFL level be it strength, speed, quickness. If your skills don't fall into that window then you won't be there no matter how much you hustle, or how much heart or work ethic you have you will not play in this league. Right now I don't see Burficts skill set falling into that window. Ask Mike Haas about that, and he still holds the record for most receiving yards in a Pac 10 game among many other receiving records. Burfict might hold the ASU record for most 15 yards penalties in his career.
You could be right, but the fact that he was so good at first and then so average his last year, puts me a little on Burfict's side rather than being 50/50 with the coaches. That was a team supposed to do great things, and they all did poorly. They underperformed for the talent they had. That reeks of poor coaching.
Points of agreement:
-Better 3-4 ILB prospect than 4-3
In regards to the OL vs. LB comment, I don't view this through a single lens. Evaluation is a prism, and I believe a LB can be much less talented than many other positions and still be quite a big success. LBs, particularly inside LBs, can get by on toughness, the ability to read angles, the ability to anticipate, and being very sound tacklers. Call the package "football instincts." The history of the league is littered with guys who didn't have the measurables yet did well in the NFL at LB. Hell, if you go to google and type "NFL Undersized" the first thing it tries to fill in is linebacker. Funny you mention Haas though, because I still contend he should be in the league.
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Agree, I am sure Tice, Smith, and Emery know exactly what they are getting, I have faith that Tice can get this guy motivated! If not, no risk, he will be cut before we even start the season.
What's funny is that exact same, sound, fool-proof logic gets shot down when talking about future HoF diva WRs.
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Problem is, it is almost as difficult to predict how good an OLT prospect will be as it is a QB.
Tony Mandarich - 2nd pick of the 1st round by GB in 1989
I thought this guy was going to be the best OLT of all time, I was hyped. This was back before the NFL draft was such an "event". I remember I was pissed that the Bears did not trade up for this guy, I wanted him on our team bad, and when GB selected him (skipping over Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders) I was so upset I turned off the radio coverage I was listening to. You know "the rest of the story".
This is only one of dozens of sure bets for OLT that were blown.
Robert Gallery - 2nd pick of the 2004 draft by Oakland.
When that years draft came up he reminded me so much of the hype that Mandarich had, he was a guaranteed blue chip LOT that was destined for the HOF. Actually, he was adequate at best at ROT, when he played LOT he gave up a ton of sacks and was moved to OG. He is above average there but certainly not worth the #2 1st round in the draft.
The list goes on and on, so I am just saying that this whole draft thing is more like a crap shoot than an exact science. Hopefully Emery is better at rolling the dice than JA was (although I still think JA did a lot of good things for the Bears).
I'd say the draft is a gamble.
However, just like in Vegas, there are safer gambles with better associated percentages. The first round is like craps, about 50%/50%. By the time you get to the 6th and 7th rounds, it's like a nickel slot machine.
There are first round busts for all positions, but the likelihood of getting a all-pro at LT greatly increases if you pick one up early.
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The Bears FINALLY sign a veteran OL. EVERYONE wanted one of these, right? So they finally do, and already you people start to compare him to Frank Omiyale, the worst OT on Earth. Wow. You either want a veteran or you don't. Pick one. Hint: great OL don't hit the market, and when they do, paying them $10m/year is a dumb idea
Exactly. Which is why it makes so much sense to consistently draft OL high.
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Nothing says, get your shit together like going in the 7th round. What have we got to lose? I definately don't want to see a 7th round OL or DL. Never know, he may hang out with Url and Briggs and decide he wants to be a big boy.
This is exactly my thought process.
The Bears tell him they are his last chance. If they cut him, he's out of the league for good. If he doesn't pan out, easy to cut him. But if he controls is extra-curricular activities, he could be a player.
I don't know how many ASU football games you've watched but I've seen plenty and I've been watching Burfict on the field since he was a true freshman. Highlights are just that, highlights. I'm assuming they didn't include some of his many drive killing personal fouls, most often for late hits? I do agree he arrives like a ton of bricks and once he sees where the play is going he shows up but he is not anywhere close to being an instinctive player and read/react skills are very slow. I even went so far as to key in on him with slo mo replays using DVR this past season, he's just not that good but every now and then he makes a nice big hit.Naturally the coach messed him, the same coach who helped Brock Osweiller become a likely second round pick. The same coach who has Omar Bolden as a solid late round pick even though he didn't play last year. Why is it only the coaches fault when the head case, Burfict, can't play the game intelligently? Why is it the coaches fault he runs so slow and couldn't get in shape for the combine? Around ASU and in the media here Burfict was widely mocked for his attitude toward his coaches.
I just don't see a reason for us to draft Burfict. He doesn't fit our scheme and he hasn't shown that he has learned anything from his college experience. I can't see how that attitude is going to translate to NFL success where far more game preparation and individual work ethic is needed to be successful. In the 6th or 7th rounds I prefer to find a guy with those traits, or at least one who has the athletic ability you look for. Burfict isn't offering either.
I have only watched a few, but when I did watch Burfict was a pretty decent player. Raw, but emotional. Big hitter, yet uncontrolled. The coaches aren't at fault for Burfict's poor draft prep, but they could easily be a contributing cause of on-field production. With the other players you have listed, you've essentially provided the Dez White paradox, where a less talented player gets on the field more, and produces more than a better player as a result of the coaches benefitting their favored player.
As for 6th and 7th round draft philosophy, we couldn't be anywhere near different. I couldn't care less about a guy that late who has the right attitude or has NFL-translatable skills (whatever that really means). There is a good chance a 6th/7th rounder isn't making the team anyway, so it's better to take gambles on those guys. Look for the guys with attitude problems but high motors, the guys who put up numbers but got arrested for drugs, the guys who were all-American one year but blew out an ACL the next. The way I see it, maybe 1 guy in 10 from those later rounds makes the team, and even then he's marginal at best. If you're already going in with a 10% success rate, you might as well shoot for the moon and get that one guy who has the potential to be an all-pro.
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I still don't know who the hell Max Komar is. That doesn't make the roster any better or worse . . .
Sanzenbacher has a good chance of getting cut depending on who we draft and Knox's status. I predicted he'd get cut last year, so what do I know?
If Floyd is there at #19, teams have determined he's a drunk and we don't want him.
I'm pretty sure Max Komar drove me in a cap a couple weekends ago in Atlanta...or maybe he bagged my groceries the other day? Either way, they could cut his ass five more times and it would still be inconsequential to the team's overall composition.
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I know Nike recently came out with the new jerseys and we all had disagreements on if "classic" jerseys should be modernized, so I ask: what jerseys are your favorite and least favorite around the league? 2 or 3 of each would be fine.
This is football, not a fashion runway.
Favorites:
1. Bears - Classic, bad ass, relatively unchanged over the years
2. Raiders - Again, classic and simple, great color combo
Least Favorite:
1. Green Bay. The combo of putrid yellow and diarrhea green just doesn't work. It's ugly.
2. Seahawks new one. Ugh. Looks like a neon crayon package threw up.
2. Seahawks lime green. WTF?
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Someone at the TV networks must think we are going to be really good this year and great to watch. In all, the Bears play the NFL’s maximum of five prime time games, with three outings on ESPN’s "Monday Night Football," including contests at the Dallas Cowboys on Oct. 21, and the San Francisco 49ers on Nov. 19 in Weeks 4 and 11, and a home date against the Detroit Lions in Week 7.
Hate. Hate. Hate.
The Bears have problems in primetime night games. It's been that way for a long time.
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I think LT is our biggest need, but we will draft a DE or DT with the first round because of the available players at those spots that should be there.
Correct answer. The DE/DT talent available when the Bears draft will most likely be higher rated than the #3 or #4 LT prospect.
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Chilo Rachal signed per twitter
Edwin Williams should be worried.
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What is Vontaze Burfict going to do in our defense with his 5sec+ forty time? Do you think this late round pick can play special teams? I just don't see him fitting in our style of play and if he gets drafted I think it will be by a 3-4 team with the intention being to play Burfict at ILB.
He sure as hell plays faster than his 40 times. I think he could be one of the biggest steals of the draft if he ends up going in the 6th or 7th like most mocks seem to think. The guy has explosion towards the ball, hits like a ton of bricks, has great anticipation for snap-counts, is pretty sound in gap responsibility, is a fairly sure tackler (more of a hitter like Briggs), fights off blockers well, and simply makes plays.
The fact that he's immature and didn't prepare for the draft/combine should only be red flag warning, not a reason to ignore his production on the field. It wasn't too long ago he was an All-American and considered a first round pick. To be honest, the way he hits, acts, talks, and swaggers all over the place reminds me a lot of the characters on the 85 Bears team. I'd love to see the Bears use a 6th or 7th on a guy like him - it's not like those draft picks regularly amount to much anyway. And who knows...maybe his coaches DID screw him up?! It's not like we haven't seen our fair share of poor coaches in Chicago underutilizing or poorly using the assets in their control (*cough* Shoop doing everything *cough* Turner sending Wolfe up the middle multiple times *cough*).
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I think we can use good players at CB, but they won't be drafting one in the first , no matter how much u want them too.
Agreed. And if they do draft CB in the first, it's a stupid move.
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For the first time in forever, we completely agree. If the Bears can get a good feel for where Adams ends up on other teams' boards, and draft him just a little before that, it would be a great move. First round talent in the 3rd or 4th or 5th? Awesome.