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I think we will address CB but can get a good one to fit our system in the 3rd or 4th.I am chilling on Martin as I read more about him and dont think he is worth the 19th pick. Adams has a risk factor so I think Mercilusl,Ingram, or Coples if he is there will be our first pick.
Fitting our system is key...which is why CB is not as important as several other positions in the Lovie-2 defense. One has to be a more instinctive, zone-type player instead of a man-on-man player.
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No way the Bears do that. Gilmore in the first when there is still the following available? No way.
OT - Martin, Adams
WR - Hill, Wright, Randle
DE - Mercilus, Ingram
DT - Worthy
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Are those guys good or thrust into the line-up because they were drafted high? Chris Williams rookie season we were prepared to start him at RT and likely play him there every game if not for the injury. You've documented the confusion around Chris Williams and I'm with you. Now we believe in Carimi . . . I hate debating o-lineman.
Part of my problem is I believe the Bears actually believe that J Webb can be good. I concede I'm stupid for believing that. The way they've bragged him and Carimi up, I can't believe we'll go o-line in round one.
What sucks is we may have one of the best DE's in football and he's limited because he plays opposite of Izzy. God I'd love to see a pass rusher. That's just my opinion.
I honestly hope you and the coaching staff is right. I hope Webb turns the corner this year and makes everyone piss themselves over his play. Alas, I've seen him play the past two years, and I doubt it's going to happen. He's a 7th rounder for a reason, and he shouldn't be starting.
You think it sucks that we have Peppers rushing opposite of Izzy, but the Bears have the best QB they potentially have ever had in the existence of the franchise, and he's being protected by:
LT - 7th Round bum
LG - 1st Round OT
C - Aging Vet OG
RG - Undrafted bum or 7th Round bum
RT - 1st Round OT (hopefully)
Where I see the major difference...
Without a good DE opposite of him, Peppers can still work independently and dominate. Which he has done. Without a good OL in front of him, Cutler's talents are marginalized at best, wasted at worst.
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Political thread? Admins?
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I'll tell you one thing. If I don't like the LT's and grade them out as 1st rounders, I'm not picking them just because its a need. I'll take my chances and pass cause I'm not wasting a first rounder on a guy that my scouts don't think will be good.
If the Bears FO honestly believes that, then it makes sense to go elsewhere in the first.
It would be a little hard to believe, however, since just about everyone else everywhere thinks the top 4 guys are legit first rounders.
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Well that's because there are a lot of people out there that don't have an appreciation for creativity and artistic appeal. Not every new jersey that comes out is a great fit. There are plenty of Oregon Duck uniforms that I don't like. I'm a 3D artist and Graphic designer so I know a little about visual style. The thing about Art is that everyone has an opinion, but not everyone knows what they're talking about.
For the record I wasn't asking for drastic changes to the Bears jerseys either. I think they did a good job today in fixing some minor things that made the previous jersey look like just a sea of navy with a couple of stripes. The new style balances that out once they moved the numbers to the top and added another stripe.
Understood. Your artist/designer side obviously is going to sway your opinion towards that side of the fence. Makes sense. I still hate the Oregon Duck type uniforms and hope they never get close to changing the uniforms that much.
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Urlacher is said to be the model for our uniforms and tweeted that they look like the classic Bears uniforms. The classic teams like the Giants and Packers, the Bears etc.. are only getting minor modifications I guess, while the Eagles are looking to gear theirs towards the Oregon Ducks. Damn.. I'm jealous of Philly right now. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Oregon's creativity with their unis. Didn't really expect the Bears to have many changes though.
Just released! They look basically the same.. Subtle changes to the collar and I think the stripes on the side. Can't really see the pants but I'm hoping they changed the socks up from the 3 stripes thing.
Ugh. I still can't believe someone actually thinks like you. Every time you post something saying you love the new, non-traditional, Arena League looking uniforms, I think you're just playing an elaborate prank on the rest of us. I despise, hate, loathe the Oregon Ducks' uniforms, and I'm very pleased with the traditional look the Bears have.
When something works so well, there is no need to change it drastically.
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I would obviously like the first round pick. Martin may not be the bell-cow LT from other years, but he's a solid 1st round pick, and an immediate upgrade over highway Webb. A TE in the second round is a horrible pick, however, because there are other much more pressing needs.
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Good point. A few years ago there was the stat that 1st round o-linemen had a high success rate. It seems like since then, teams have reached for OT's, starting with the C Williams class. There's been a lot of bad/mediocre
I don't think this is entirely accurate.
2011 - Tyron Smith, Nate Solder, Anthony Castonzo played in 41 out of 48 games. Meanwhile, the three WR counterparts (AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Jonathan Baldwin) played in 39. The fact that it was just a banner year for OT injuries (Carpenter, Carimi, Sherrod) is just bad luck.
2010 - Williams, Okung, Davis, Bulaga played in 56 out of 64 games. The first round WRs played in 22 out of 32. And it gets even uglier when it comes to actually starting, because that's a total of 4 games for the WRs and 51 games for the OTs.
2009 - Eugene Monroe and Oher played in 31 out of 32 games. DHB, Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Nicks, and Britt played in 82 out of 96 games. Again, this year hurt OTs because the top two picks (Jason and Andre Smith) both got injuries; otherwise, they were starting the entire way through (Jason Smith started the entire year before concussion, and Andre Smith started as soon as he came off of injury).
It's arguable that OTs are more injury prone based on this small data-set, but to insinuate that they are reaches or don't play as well their rookie year is outright false. By comparison, OTs drafted in the first round (who do not get injured) still outperform, in terms of games played and games started, their WR counterparts.
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I wouldn't complain with that either, but is that with Webb as a starter or swing tackle/backup? And what round are you thinking of for a guard?
My point is that it's unlikely that we will be able to draft an OLT at 19, and depending on the drafted guard, they may not be able to beat out Edwin Williams.
I just keep seeing people suggesting that we throw resources at the Oline, but unless they are a grade A stud, they might be a wasted pick and there really hasn't been a proven upgrade available in FA at a reasonable price either. The bottom line is that you can't really draft an Olineman and expect them to be an immediate improvement - unless they are REALLY NFL ready. - as in going in the first round.
If one of the top four OTs fall to the Bears in the first, they should draft that player.
In rounds 2-4 the Bears should pick an OG.
If that means Webb is a backup and E.Williams gets cut, so be it. A rookie at 19 will be better than Webb, of that there is no concern.
And if they are really concerned about it, they can draft Cordy Glenn, pencil in Chris Williams to LT and Glenn in at LG, let them battle it out for the LT position, and put the loser of the battle at LG.
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With all these potential OLTs and how injured they have been in recent years (which is why they are available anyway) I can't see any of them as someone we can count on.
I realize it's fashionable to suggest getting both a FA and draft someone to develop, but the fact still remains that we are only going to carry 8 OL on the 53 man roster - 5 starters and 3 backups.
Now people can suggest we "stash" then on the practice squad, but that could only be for drafted guys, and any taken high (as has been suggested in rounds 1-3) would then get poached by other teams.
The bottom line is that we have Webb, C. Williams, Garza, Louis, Carimi, Spencer, and E. Williams taking up the top 6 spots.
Pretty much. Although, I wouldn't be terribly upset if they cut E. Williams or Webb in favor of higher draft picks who outperform them in training camp.
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I would knit the hell out of Wesson...unless he had the backup of multiple WRs (who are all over 6'4").
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If Cris Williams was so good at LT I dont think he would have been playing LG. I think he didnt meet expectations and they moved him around to try to find some valve with him. He is not a bust, but not who I want playing the LT spot going into 2012, we should shoot higher than that.
Please stop. How many times do I have to discredit and disprove this nonsense? Chris Williams did NOT get moved out of LT because he didn't meet expectations. Period. It's not up for debate. Just like before...
Recap
2008 - Injured
2009 - Got screwed because of the Pace signing, ended up replacing Pace
2010 - Started LT, got injured, then got screwed because he was versatile and Garza was injured
2011 - Never given a shot at LT while Webb sucked ass
The primary reason he's not the current LT is Tice bucked the common trend of giving the starting job to the starter when he comes off of injury. That, and the fact that Garza was injured, forced Tice's hand and allowed him to figure out a way to place his boy Webb in at LT.
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I'm not a Martz fan, by any means, and the offense on those 11-5 and 7-3 teams was why he was fired/decided to resign. The glaring weakness in that offense was the offensive line, and those teams won in spite of it.
Precisely.
Attributing a major portion of wins to the Bears OL of the past few years is like when people tried to give the winning record to Shoop and his offense.
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Marshall = Jackson (at least in stature) True
Thomas True
Weems should be listed on the depth chart as ST #2 instead of WR #5. Ture but still is a WR(maybe wont see the field as such)
If the Bears get a #1 WR I will not be happy. But if they do, it's not as bad as what you orginally talked about...
If the Bears get at #1WR you wont be happy??? Are you referring to the draft or Marshall?
Potential Reality: #1 + #5 (Thomas) + Rookie #1. That does not equal #1 (Marshall) + #2 (Royal) + Rookie #1 (Floyd/Hill), what you wanted (I could link it for you if you'd like). Because then the WRs would be Marshall, Bennett, Royal, Floyd/Hill, Hester, and you've essentially done one of the following:
I wanted another tall WR I never like or wanted us to pick up Royal I wanted Moss (see the contract he signed with SF.) because he just wanted to play and didnt care is he was not the number one WR and was a cheap option. I saw our WR group being Jackson, Moss, Rookie Hester, Bennett, Knox
-Thrown Hester away as a WR option (the management and Hester's salary makes this unlikely)
I wanted to use Hester on mostly ST and a few designed plays for him---since hes is not a true WR
-Minimized the touches a true #1 like Marshall should get
Marshall still gets his touches
-Minimized the touches a first rounder like Floyd/Hill needs to develop
Still can develp as a WR behind a proven vet and gives us a similar sized backup in case the #1 goes down
-Created a situation where Bennett, Royal, Hester, and Floyd/Hill are all fighting for playing time and targets
I would use Bennett, Hester, Knox as the slot and as outside subs giving us more true match up advantages against teams (those who press hard man to man at the line and those who play zones)---never wanted Royal already have his type in B,H,& K
Bad idea. On a run-first team where the opportunities are somewhat limited, you're not allowing anyone to get in a groove, to develop chemistry with the QB, to maximize potential. You're really creating a cauldron of pissed off WRs who want to do more, who won't be happy about their playing time, and will want to get out of Chicago.
That maybe true on a run first team.......but who says we are going to e a run first team next year. Ok somebody is always not going to be happy with their playing time, but the team winning comes first over WR just wanting to be All-Pros, but you also need to have good quality depth at the position case in point look at the Vikings WR corps
If they draft a first round WR and the corps of WR is Marshall, Bennett, Thomas, Rookie #1, Hester, I think the Thomas signing will be purely for ST and he'll never see the field as a WR. Which still means they got a FA WR (Marshall), and one draft pick (#1)...not FA WR, FA WR, #1.
Yes that might be true that if that happens, he (Thomas) might not see the field, but still they will have picked up not three but four WR this year even if Weems should be a ST player like you said
I'm referring to the draft. A #1 draft WR now that Marshall has been signed doesn't make sense. It's especially true if they believe Thomas has even the slightest chance of catching on.
Actually, you might want to look back on what you want, or at least stay consistent: "Actually its not stupid......if they had signed Royal instead of Weems that would give us Knox, Hester, Bennett, Royal, Marshall and the other draft pick Floyd/Hill. "
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As long as that #1 isn't an OLman right Jason? I'm sorry I couldn't resist.
So about this knitting thing...
Actually, I've said virtually nothing about those who want a DE in the first. I wouldn't mind the pickup. I'd prefer OT, but I can see a serious advantage to a stud DE complimenting Peppers. It would benefit the defense in numerous ways.
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I think people forget that the Bears had a damn good offense the year they had the best defense in the history of the league. Not only could they shut you out, they could put up 30.
Even if the Raiders had the "best OL of all time" that year, it wouldn't have been able to withstand the speed, power, and sheer numbers of the 46.
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Man please....We got Marshall + two FA and still might get a 1st RD WR, but you are right we didnt get what I was calling for just cheaper options. Now since you are looking at what I posted I was calling for Jackson (we got Marshall) and I wanted Moss (we got Thomas 2 inches shorter) we could have gotten someone other than Weems but never the less we got him and still could go WR in the 1st. Now for the rest..........don't wear panties but combat boots instead ..so they cant be twisted. I didn't really care one way or the other what you said about me....it was lemonej telling me that I was so inappropriate in the way I was speaking to you. Now please explain to me why what I say has to be "stupid" as you so put it.. This is what sets others off like a firecracker! You just cant say, that what some else is thinking is stupid and expect for them to sit by and say or do nothing. Never have I said anything that you post is stupid...I will say that IMO or i disagree thats all. I'm from Chicago.. the southside 11735 S. Loomis born and raised. 21 year Army Vet, supported this country during three Wars (conflicts) deployed to Iraq 3 times, and currently working as a civilan contractor helping my Marines out here in Afghanistan........so as you can see I have thick skin and can put up with anything this board (you) can dish out. So we will contuine to agree to disagree
You might be surprised, but I could type virtually the same paragraph about myself.
As for the braindead/stupid part, you didn't read my post, replied too quickly because you didn't read my post, and completely ignored the original intent because you didn't read the post. It's entirely possible for a very smart person to be braindead sometimes. The same goes for a smart person who does something stupid or braindead. That's where the distinction comes in. All the agitation is unnecessary and overblown. The instigation by others is similarly unnecessary. I swear this board has gotten more and more sensitive over the past several years. It's like a bunch of people talking about knitting or something (which reinforces my comment about not even caring what you said regarding my injury).
Back on topic:
Marshall = Jackson (at least in stature)
Thomas
Weems should be listed on the depth chart as ST #2 instead of WR #5.
If the Bears get a #1 WR I will not be happy. But if they do, it's not as bad as what you orginally talked about...
Potential Reality: #1 + #5 (Thomas) + Rookie #1. That does not equal #1 (Marshall) + #2 (Royal) + Rookie #1 (Floyd/Hill), what you wanted (I could link it for you if you'd like). Because then the WRs would be Marshall, Bennett, Royal, Floyd/Hill, Hester, and you've essentially done one of the following:
-Thrown Hester away as a WR option (the management and Hester's salary makes this unlikely)
-Minimized the touches a true #1 like Marshall should get
-Minimized the touches a first rounder like Floyd/Hill needs to develop
-Created a situation where Bennett, Royal, Hester, and Floyd/Hill are all fighting for playing time and targets
Bad idea. On a run-first team where the opportunities are somewhat limited, you're not allowing anyone to get in a groove, to develop chemistry with the QB, to maximize potential. You're really creating a cauldron of pissed off WRs who want to do more, who won't be happy about their playing time, and will want to get out of Chicago.
If they draft a first round WR and the corps of WR is Marshall, Bennett, Thomas, Rookie #1, Hester, I think the Thomas signing will be purely for ST and he'll never see the field as a WR. Which still means they got a FA WR (Marshall), and one draft pick (#1)...not FA WR, FA WR, #1.
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Consider the situation in which he would be put here. With Marshall, he no longer has the pressure of being a #1-- big difference. His deep threat ability compliments a Brandon Marshall as a #2. He's also not a stick out there, he has some size on him at 195 compared to a guy like Desean Jackson. All WR's that come into the draft deal with press coverage issues. There are very few NCAA defenses that press WR's off the LOS consistently like in the NFL. That's why there is a big adjustment for most guys coming into the league. I don't understand the RGIII thing. They were together for a couple seasons and each got better every year they were together. Did RGIII have alot to do with Wright's success? Absolutely. But Wright also had alot to do with Griffin's success.
The RGIII thing is more an indication of my belief in RGIII's abilities vs. Wright's. I believe RGIII made Wright more than the other way around. I believe RGIII to be an elite talent that amplifies the abilities and production of those around him.
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Actually, I really think it's safe to say that the system the Bears were running was a disaster and it was getting worse with time in terms of QB killing. Detroit and San Fran saw the same thing when they tried it, and you can establish how bad it was pretty easily if you watch O-Line setups around the league. Nobody puts their LT out on an island like the Bears wanted to do with Webb. It's just suicide.
And yet, in Martz's last year with the Niners (2008), the second year LT Joe Staley, who happens to be a first rounder, only gave up 8 sacks on the year and performed well enough that the team thought it a good idea to sign him to a six-year contract worth $42M ($18M guaranteed). Meanwhile, the dynamic duo of Shaun Hill and JT O'Sullivan put up 3700 yards passing. If they had anything close to a consistent, NFL-level QB playing more than half the games, they would have not had the problems they did. And even with their problems, it certainly wasn't because their LT was a catastrophic failure.
Putting an LT on an island on almost 100% of the plays is bad strategy.
Putting a shitty LT on an island for the same amount of time is suicide.
There is a definite distinction, and trying to lump the two statements into one is not a way to defend Webb. Others in the same system have previously done better, would have done better for the Bears last year, and will continue to do better than Webb. It would have been smart to give Webb help - I still don't understand why it wasn't done or how much blame Tice deserves - but regardless of the help, Webb would have sucked, and a team shouldn't have to completely alter their offense and protection plans to make up for the deficiencies of a single player.
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The problem is, the 2nd half of this really is conjecture.
When you watched the better lines in the league, they did things fundamentally different from the Bears. Go watch a Saints game. Every single snap, a RB or a TE gives help on the other team's best outside rusher, if there's not a full double team. The Bears scheme deliberately said no to that. It might well have worked with Orlando Pace 10 years ago, but it doesn't work today, the lines and attack packages have improved that much.
Webb may flat out be inadequate, but when the system is inadequate and everyone agrees the system is failing, how do you put the fault on the player in that system?
I've seen some promising games from Webb and I've seen some down games from him. Real problem is, there's no obvious trend, which means either it's his preparation or it's how the defense attacks him, and until I'm paid a lot to break down video by someone, I can't judge that.
Which is why I keep saying...if Lovie and Tice are wrong on this decision, if they pass on finding another starting tackle and then Webb gets blown apart this season with a system built to help him, then that's their jobs on the line, because people pay them a whole lot of money to make that decision, and it's probably the difference between a super bowl run and a .500 team that misses the playoffs next year.
The first half is also conjecture. Since we didn't see anyone else of note in the Bears 2011 offense at LT, we don't know how well they would have done.
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At this point, I think it's a case of "The devil we don't know is better than the devil we do". You know what Williams is going to bring, it's not a lot, you can get the same production from guys who are younger and might well fill their roles even better, so try out one of the younger guys and see if they stick.
Interesting thought. Depending on the $$, I'd potentially be inclined to agree. Roy was given his shot and he didn't do nearly as well as expected. Having said that, however, Roy put up almost as much last year, in a "bad" year, than Thomas has his entire career.
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I completely disagree with your stance on this. It goes against everything everyone has done and said on this board. Whether the other boards are used or not, that should not default all conversations into the Bearstalk main section. Unless of course you'd like to open a thread about Devin Hester's comments regarding the Treyvon Martin case?
Talking abuot Fairley getting busted, how it affects the Lions, how it benefits the Bears, etc. = Appropriate
Talking about the political implications of legalization = Inappropriate
Remember your decision when the shitstorm hits on the next politically-laced article.