jason

You might be surprised, but I could type virtually the same paragraph about myself. As for the braindead/stupid part, you didn't read my post, replied too quickly because you didn't read my post, and completely ignored the original intent because you didn't read the post. It's entirely possible for a very smart person to be braindead sometimes. The same goes for a smart person who does something stupid or braindead. That's where the distinction comes in. All the agitation is unnecessary and overblown. The instigation by others is similarly unnecessary. I swear this board has gotten more and more sensitive over the past several years. It's like a bunch of people talking about knitting or something (which reinforces my comment about not even caring what you said regarding my injury). Back on topic: Marshall = Jackson (at least in stature) Thomas Weems should be listed on the depth chart as ST #2 instead of WR #5. If the Bears get a #1 WR I will not be happy. But if they do, it's not as bad as what you orginally talked about... Potential Reality: #1 + #5 (Thomas) + Rookie #1. That does not equal #1 (Marshall) + #2 (Royal) + Rookie #1 (Floyd/Hill), what you wanted (I could link it for you if you'd like). Because then the WRs would be Marshall, Bennett, Royal, Floyd/Hill, Hester, and you've essentially done one of the following: -Thrown Hester away as a WR option (the management and Hester's salary makes this unlikely) -Minimized the touches a true #1 like Marshall should get -Minimized the touches a first rounder like Floyd/Hill needs to develop -Created a situation where Bennett, Royal, Hester, and Floyd/Hill are all fighting for playing time and targets Bad idea. On a run-first team where the opportunities are somewhat limited, you're not allowing anyone to get in a groove, to develop chemistry with the QB, to maximize potential. You're really creating a cauldron of pissed off WRs who want to do more, who won't be happy about their playing time, and will want to get out of Chicago. If they draft a first round WR and the corps of WR is Marshall, Bennett, Thomas, Rookie #1, Hester, I think the Thomas signing will be purely for ST and he'll never see the field as a WR. Which still means they got a FA WR (Marshall), and one draft pick (#1)...not FA WR, FA WR, #1.

The RGIII thing is more an indication of my belief in RGIII's abilities vs. Wright's. I believe RGIII made Wright more than the other way around. I believe RGIII to be an elite talent that amplifies the abilities and production of those around him.

And yet, in Martz's last year with the Niners (2008), the second year LT Joe Staley, who happens to be a first rounder, only gave up 8 sacks on the year and performed well enough that the team thought it a good idea to sign him to a six-year contract worth $42M ($18M guaranteed). Meanwhile, the dynamic duo of Shaun Hill and JT O'Sullivan put up 3700 yards passing. If they had anything close to a consistent, NFL-level QB playing more than half the games, they would have not had the problems they did. And even with their problems, it certainly wasn't because their LT was a catastrophic failure. Putting an LT on an island on almost 100% of the plays is bad strategy. Putting a shitty LT on an island for the same amount of time is suicide. There is a definite distinction, and trying to lump the two statements into one is not a way to defend Webb. Others in the same system have previously done better, would have done better for the Bears last year, and will continue to do better than Webb. It would have been smart to give Webb help - I still don't understand why it wasn't done or how much blame Tice deserves - but regardless of the help, Webb would have sucked, and a team shouldn't have to completely alter their offense and protection plans to make up for the deficiencies of a single player.

Agreed.

The first half is also conjecture. Since we didn't see anyone else of note in the Bears 2011 offense at LT, we don't know how well they would have done.

Interesting thought. Depending on the $$, I'd potentially be inclined to agree. Roy was given his shot and he didn't do nearly as well as expected. Having said that, however, Roy put up almost as much last year, in a "bad" year, than Thomas has his entire career.

You still don't get it. NOBODY WAS AGAINST THREE WRS! NEARLY EVERYONE IS AGAINST MARSHALL+GOOD FA+1ST ROUNDER And that's what you were calling for. Signing Weems and Thomas is not what you were calling for. So, once again, you are/were not right. My goodness, man, how many times do you have to read this for it to sink in? Do I literally have to go back and start posting links to your comments about this?! I believe you are right, however, about Komar. If he's on the team I'll be shocked. And if you expect people to read the entirety of your posts, then perhaps you should read their entire posts. Our original issue happened because you made a stupid comment when you didn't read the entire post I made about Knox's health. The original reply you made was stupid. To get your panties in a twist over a commonly used synonym (i.e. braindead) is a little much. Notice I didn't get upset when you obviously took it from level 1 all the way to level 11.

Maybe nobody would have looked "good" last year in the offense, but just about everyone else who played LT in the NFL last year would have looked "better."

You didn't go to the finals...where the 85 Bears somehow lost in the S.Finals to the Raiders. That's what is so ignorant. No way that Raiders team hangs with the 85 Bears.

Bad, rounded routes. As we've seen with Knox, this gets Cutler into trouble. Smaller and weaker. Could have problems getting off the LOS against press coverage. Benefit of RGIII. Because he had an incredible talent throwing him the ball, and opposing defenses were preoccupied with RGIII, I believe his senior season stats are inflated. Lightning in a bottle, if you will. And because of that, he's being valued higher than he should be. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be decent in the pros, but I don't think he's a first round WR.

http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/a...meteams?round=5 Seriously?!

I think you're right...which is what worries and disgusts me. Tice's love-crush with Webb is dangerous for this franchise.

Where do you see the word "because" in my sentence? I said, "overrated, short". Is he short? Yes. Is he overrated? I believe so.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php 1. Kendall Wright, WR 2. Jerel Worthy, DT 3. Cam Johnson, DE 4. Ladarius Green, TE 5. Shaun Prater, CB Wow. That would suck ass. A short, overrated WR when superior OL talent is there, an inconsistent and somewhat lazy DT, a slow DE with physical problems and possible disease, a TE who is actually a slot WR or H-Back who lacks true TE blocking skills (which is also ignoring the fact that Davis was resigned), and a 5th round CB who is actually pretty good for the round and for Lovie's system.

Exactly. And as long as he can send an edge rusher down Cutler's throat via the LT highway, I don't think he's that worried.

I agree with the approach (early drafted rookie over busted up pro), but I also think regardless of injury history, if dude can get on the field at all, he's better than Webb.

HAHAHAHAHA! There is no doubt he's better than Webb. Now, if you're saying, "Why take a medium step up when we should be taking a large step up for a serious upgrade," then I wholeheartedly agree with you. But there is no doubt he's better than Webb.

All players risk injury. Eschewing a position because your guy happened to get injured is a foolish way to plan for your team's draft.

Or hell, for that matter the Bears could go with Bush as their #1 and pick up LaMichael James as a change of pace back in the third/fourth. If the deal is sweet, I don't have a problem with the trade. 1st and a 3rd oughta do it. It's BEAR DOWN!, not Forte DOWN.

Agreed. It's not normal. But it's more likely someone with incredible medical help, some of the most advanced therapy in the world, and a slew of trainers/doctors/therapists/nutritionists, not to mention nearly unlimited financial support, should be able to accelerate a normal person's rehab schedule. And on top of that, he's an impeccably healthy pro athlete who has nothing to do other than all of the above. I'm still holding out hope it's PUP and not IR.

I honestly thought it was still possible. I came back fully healthy from a torn MCL/ACL in just 3 months. Some people heal quickly. I should know; I'm one of them. I also have experience with things like this because I broke my neck as a young kid and came back from it. And I didn't have the incredible resources a guy like Knox has in his corner.

But you didn't know that conclusively until the report. Which is why the WR in the first didn't make sense post-Marshall. Now it makes a little more sense, but it's still more prudent to get one of the four LTs if he drops to the Bears at 19, because after that it's very thin. Meanwhile, the WRs in the draft are very deep, and good talent can be found in rounds 2-4.

HELL NO. At 19, that would be an incredibly stupid pick.

1. Martin 2. Floyd 3. Coples I obviously choose OL. I believe the addition of Martin would provide a nearly elite OL of: Martin-Williams-Garza-Louis-Carimi But if they think that Williams is ready to move back over to LT, then I'd hope they'd make that move early and pick Floyd. Floyd would be a great addition, but the Bears already got a guy identical to him in the offseason. Coples would be a great addition to the D, but I don't think his impact on the DL would be as great as the impact on the OL. This is mostly due to coaching because I don't believe the way the Bears scheme plays Defense, and more specifically rushes the passer, is ideal for an elite pass rusher. They appear to limit the movement of the DE to make him less dynamic by having him rush upfield almost exclusively.

I'm ALL in favor of Chris Williams at LT. Hell, if they decide Carimi is the LT, I'm happy with Williams at RT. I want those two guys as the bookends they were drafted to be. I don't subscribe to the "this guy is a LT" and "that guy is a RT" talk. If a guy can play tackle, he can play tackle. Whatever the case is, I want Webb off the field.