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I could kiss Poles on the mouth. A trade back AND an OT who may be the best OLineman in the entire draft? Break out the Jergens.
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YES! Finally for once in my life the Bears do what I want.
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On 4/20/2023 at 4:46 PM, Mongo3451 said:
Not many people project a WR to us in the first round, but JSN is an interesting prospect. JSN projects to be a Cooper Kupp type of receiver, due to his physicality, short area quickness and great route running. I was listening to ESPN 1000 today and the hosts mentioned that the need for good receivers helps develop a QB better than a good OL. (I don't subscribe to that theory, but they made good argument) At this point, I don't see is going that route unless we trade back to get him in the mid teens. That would also mean we get our OL, DL, edge and BPA in the second and third rounds. Thoughts?
I would have ignored everything they said afterwards. It's just moronic.
Put five scrubs on the OL and have Jerry Rice / Randy Moss as the two WRs. Scrubs get trampled, QB runs for his life, we have nightmares of the Cutler years, and the WRs catch very few passes.
Consider this OL, however, and literally any NFL WR in history would get open:
- Johnathan Ogden (OT)
- John Hannah (OG)
- Jim Otto (C)
- Bruce Matthews (OG)
- Anthony Munoz (OT)
Getting a WR or RB in the first round this year, with the current pick, would be a horrible pick for the Bears. At least two offensive linemen need to be replaced, and one could argue the entire defensive line needs to be replaced.
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I want them to trade back from the 9 pick and acquire a bit more, but if stays as is:
- 9) Paris Johnson Jr. OT Ohio State (Protect Fields at all cost. This is a cohesion pick as well.)
- 53) Adetomiwa Adebawore, DT, Northwestern (3T waiting to happen)
- 61) Tuli Tuipulotu, DE, USC (Not really sure why he isn't going higher. He looks really good.)
- 64) D.J. Turner, CB, Michigan (Say it with me, "4.26 forty.")
- 103) DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas (A safety turned hyper-athletic LB? Hmmm...reminds me of someone.)
- 133) Olusegun Oluwatimi, C, Michigan (How is the Rimington and Outland guy rated so low? No brainer.)
- 136) Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama (Insurance for Kmet)
- 148) Viliami Fehoko, DE, San Jose State (My third Islander this draft. He has great pass rush skills.)
- 218) Malik Cunningham, QB, Louisville (Always draft a QB. This kid has skills.)
- 248) Jordan McFadden, OG, Clemson (I like how the knock on this guy is that he's not big enough, even though he's 300lbs.)
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For me this is easy. BPA is not 100%. It’s really need-based BPA. A team with mid-career Tom Brady shouldn’t draft a QB in the 1st. The Bears shouldn’t have drafted a RB in The first round of the 1986 draft, regardless of how good the guy was.
I always think of it like having a broken car. If you get a great deal on $25 top of the line tires, it’s stupid to buy them with your only $100 (i.e. 1st round draft pick) if you also need a battery.
In this case, the Bears need a driver-side seatbelt, brake pads, and a windshield. The tires may not be perfect, but there is plenty of tread.
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On 4/5/2023 at 3:29 PM, Mongo3451 said:
Again, I'll disagree. Out of the successes you stated only Fields and Burrow had dismal offensive lines.
Marino, Kelly, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Jackson, and Mahommes all had decent offensive lines when they were thrust into action. I don't want to begin the list of sacrificial lambs that didn't have the luxury.
All situations we choose to highlight have individual circumstances that can't be quantified. It comes down to individual philosophy like the chicken and egg...
Concur. I can't think of a single QB in NFL history who has had sustained excellence while simultaneously having a trash OL. This works for RBs as well, with the exception of maybe early Payton and Barry Sanders. The truth of the matter is, starting at OL accentuates all other skill positions, but loading up on skill positions with a garbage OL is a good way to waste high-priced talent.
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I didn't include all the Bama players. I just included those that I thought might fit at the draft positions after the hopeful trade-back.
No way the Bears could get all the UGA players.
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Similar to previous years, a team could draft pretty much all Alabama players and it would be good draft.
- Trade Back
- 1.XX - Brian Branch, S
- 2.22 - Jaymyr Gibbs, RB
- 2.XX - Tyler Steen, OT
- 2.30 - Eli Ricks, CB
- 3.1 - Henry To'oTo'o, LB
- 4.1 - Byron Young, DL
- 5.1 - Emil Ekiyor Jr., G
- 5.XX - Cameron Latu, TE
I can't say I'd be entirely upset by that. Normally, the position sequence isn't my favorite, but grabbing all Bama players would be awesome.
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On 4/1/2023 at 11:10 AM, Mongo3451 said:
That's what live about Poles so far. He's humble, yet assertive. He's also very anchored in a way that gives him conviction and discipline. The fact that he has a distinct process gives me confidence that he won't have any of the "dumbass attacks" that Pace had. If Fields pans out we're gonna start a really good run in 2024...
So far I like him, too, but it was not just Pace. He had the moronic 2017 Draft where he mortgaged the future for Trubisky, ignored the obvious choice in Deshaun Watson, who had obviously better everything, and also missed on a generational talent in Mahomes, but he also whiffed big on Kevin White. All of that makes it easy to forget about Emery, who made the Shea McClellin, "WTF was that"-pick that absolutely reeked of smarter-than-conventional-wisdom-and-everyone-else bravado.
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On 4/1/2023 at 1:17 AM, Stinger226 said:
I personally would rather see Joe Tippmann instead of Wypler. We have a young center on the roster similar to Wypler. Doug Kramer, same size both were second team big 10 behind JSM. Tippman is bigger can also play OG, Wypler is strictly a OC.
PoTAYto, PoTAHto for me. I just picked Wypler because him and Tippmann are interchangeable in terms of how the draft pundits are ranking them, and if I had to choose, I'd pick Wypler because:
- He played at Ohio State like the QB.
- He played at Ohio State like the 1st round OT and the QB.
- Ohio State is a better football school than Wisconsin.
- I hate the state of Wisconsin.
- I'm forever soured on Wisconsin players after Carimi.
- Number 5 reinforces number 4.
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On 4/1/2023 at 10:25 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
I feel like the Bears already shaved 2 years off their QB1s potential by not immediately investing resources around him. Let's not push this any further. The WR room is better, the RBs a wash for now, but the Oline is stagnant. Just think if Brax Jones didn't work, they would be looking at upgrading 3 positions. Bring in the best OT and C and the D can be pieced together. If the Bears are to ever win a Superbowl, it happens with a QB excelling.
1,000,000% agree!! I simply don't understand how a team can draft a rookie QB with a first round pick and not make the OL the very next priority. We've seen it over and over with rookie QBs getting blasted, changing mechanics, losing confidence, and blindly chucking the ball - and their career - away because the OL couldn't keep them clean. The truth of the matter is, 99.9% of the QBs who get drafted in the first round have all the skills necessary, but some have intangibles that allows them to more easily deal with the growing pains. But if that can be avoided, why risk it?
This is true of not just rookie QBs, but also young vets. I'll go to my grave thinking the Bears had a franchise QB in Cutler, but ruined him because OL never got the love it needed. Very early on he was shell-shocked while the Bears were busy trying out scrubs like Frank Omiyale, Chilo Rachal, Michael Ola, Vlad Ducasse, Charles Leno Jr, and Jamarcus Webb at multiple positions.
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Concur.
I'm so sick of saying it every year and reading Bears' fans talk about getting more WRs, TEs, and RBs every year. For once I want to see my idea tried. Then I'll forever say, "Well, at least they focused on OL for once."
It's time for the Bears to join the new-age NFL and do everything possible to invest in the offense, the QB, and whatever it takes to make #1 & #2 succeed. Generally speaking, a superb OL makes a QB comfortable, and that's absolutely what the Bears should focus on in order to maximize Fields.
I'd love to see the following to make Justin Fields as comfortable as humanly possible:
- 1.9 - Paris Johnson, RT, Ohio State
- 2.53 - Luke Wypler, C, Ohio State
The rest of the picks can be BPA with a smattering of obvious need inserted. Looking for explosive playmakers and long, rangy defenders would be priority.
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I appreciate the optimistic Bears' fans, because it's difficult to have that demeanor with the history. That's definitely not me, but a glimpse of it shines through every year during the draft when I think, "Maybe this is the year the front office does what makes the most conventional sense instead of trying to prove they're the smartest guy in the NFL."
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On 3/17/2023 at 2:33 PM, dawhizz said:
Keaton Mitchell from East Carolina is another guy who might fit the bill.
WOW! He looks good! Great home run speed!
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No way in hell I'd pick this guy at 9.
- Arrest - Poor decision making
- Overweight - Poor self-control
- Didn't do all the drills - Poor accountability
Smells like Alonzo Spellman to me. Hard pass.
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Call me crazy, but I like Deuce Vaughn from Kansas State.
Ignore all the conventional "he has to be whatever-feet tall"-nonsense. His height is an advantage if anything considering how he runs.
Dismiss the "he doesn't work in goal line"-BS. Deuce is an absolute monster and a three-down back. As long as the coaches aren't morons and don't try to slam him through the A-Gap three times in a row (**cough** memories of Garrett Wolfe mismanagement **cough**), then he's fine in GL situations because nobody hits him cleanly.
What's more - I know this is blasphemous before I write it - he gives me Barry Sanders vibes. He's a 2-3 inches shorter, 20lbs lighter, but every bit as elusive. Some of the cuts are absolutely ridiculous. Makes elite defenders miss in a phone booth. And his perceived lack of home run speed never seems to cost him when he's running away from defenders who think they have the angle.
I'd target him with our first pick in the 4th round.
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On 3/13/2023 at 4:48 PM, adam said:
Looks like 7 more "holes" left to fill. I am assuming 4 will be filled in the draft in the top 65. So 2-3 more mid/high FAs left to sign:
OL x2 - Davis,
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TE x1 -DT x2 -
DE x1
LB x2 - Edmunds, Edwards
CB x1 -Why is TE listed? Kmet is under contract.
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Isolating Sanborn as Sam (Samborn?) means he will be asked to cover the TE. That could be an issue.
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15 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
Sanborn will be that 2 down LB for us. TJ is a premier coverage LB, so he'll play all downs.
We sure about that? Now that they’ve apparently signed Edmunds as well, who is another ILB, that means Sanborn is nothing but depth.
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I don't get this signing. Sure, he was a killer for Philly last year - at a third of Roquan's price and equal Roquan's production - but Sanborn was incredible as a rookie UDFA.
Why spend $20M for Sanborn's stats at the same position?
Roquan in 2022:
169 TOT, 103 SOLO, 66 AST, 11 TFLTJ in 2022:
159 TOT, 99 SOLO, 60 AST, 10 TFLSanborn in 2022
64 TOT, 50 SOLO, 14 AST, 5 TFL (6 starts)
160 TOT, 125 SOLO, 35 AST, 12.5 TFL (Extrapolated X2.5) -
Horrible contract.
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- Orlando Brown, LT - Braxton Jones & Larry Borom can sit the bench and learn.
- Daron Payne, DT - Obviously fills the biggest need on defense.
- Dalvin Tomlinson, DT - Get two Bama boys together and their production skyrockets.
Let the franchise transformation begin.
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On 1/9/2023 at 10:31 PM, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Okay - so this is my absolute semi plausible dream scenario from a trade perspective:
Bears trade 1 to Texans for #2 and their 2nd rounder this year and next year.
Bears than trade with Colts - moving from 2 to 4 and get Colts 1st round pick, 2nd, and 4th this year plus a 1st and 3rd next year and Buckner.
Cardinals trade down at 3 to somebody looking to get last QB.
Bears draft Anderson at 4.
Note: Total wet dream scenario is the original Texans trade is 1 for 2 and 12. Colts trade still happens as is.I love this scenario.
NFL Draft Day One thread.
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Damn near. I was saying, “Is it finally happening?!” over and over again.