jason

Exactly. Every comparison I've seen thus far leaves out one critical detail in an effort to paint the Bears' trade in a prettier light.

It's not win-win. I don't know why people keep saying this. Let's break it down: If Glennon does really well, the Bears have a QB controversy. They'll have a #2 pick they're itching to get into the game, but can't, because Glennon kicked ass. They'll think, "But we could trade Glennon!" And the Bears will have given up a sure thing in Glennon, for yet another unsure thing in their #2 pick Trubisky, in the hopes of turning him into a sure thing. If the end result is to end up with an uncertainty at QB, they could have just drafted defense and picked a mid-round QB.

You get it. I don't like the Trubisky pick. I kind of hate it. But I understand it. What I don't understand is trading up for him. It's a horrible move. It's a rushed, worried move by a guy who apparently gets worried negotiating and over-offers just to get what he wants.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Of course there will still be complaints. If Glennon goes for 3500/28/10 that means Trubisky was an unnecessary pick, and a horrible trade. It will mean the Bears were 8-8 because somewhere and someone else on the team sucked. And that person who sucked likely would have been ousted by a rookie first round pick like Jamal Adams, Jonathan Allen, or Malik Hooker. That's an 8-8 team that could have been better if not for the one missing piece. And you go into 2018 with... 1. A worse pick than you would likely have had with a rookie QB 2. A worse situation with a QB controversy 3. Still the missing piece(s) that caused the team to be 8-8 instead of being better despite all the stats listed above

Sorry, but that doesn't fly. You're comparing past and unknown future. When a team like the Bears does the completely unexpected, it throws the entire draft out of whack. It's like a guy in your fantasy draft who picks up a kicker in the 2nd round. Once that happens, the players thought unavailable are now there, and the dominoes fall. You can absolutely never know what would have happened if the picks fell a different way.

Tragic, ain't it. I said "almost" my nightmare draft. I didn't realize there would be the possibility of moving up to pick him. That actually is the nightmare draft.

I feel the same way. I'm just waiting for someone to photoshop the Bears and Niners into the Kevin Costner movie where he railroads another team.

Deep thoughts like that must evade Pace. Before this year's trade I wasn't sort of on the fence about him, now I don't think he is very good at being a GM.

Then there is this: https://twitter.com/Mtrubisky10/status/554384600836087808

1. Just because others offer more doesn't mean you have to outbid. At this point I think Pace would pay $10 for a dollar meal at McDonalds if he thought someone in front of him might order the same thing. 2. See #1. 3. Holes aren't covered by a franchise QB if he's on his ass half the game and the D can't stop anyone. 4. How do you figure? What if Glennon lights it up? What if he looks great? Then he's suuuuper cheap next year at less than $5M. If they wanted to waste money, they should have overspent for some other free agent like Calais Campbell or Alshon Jeffrey.

There shouldn't need to be a QB transition for the #2 pick in the entire freaking draft.

I think it's freaking horrible for a variety of reasons. 1. The value to trade up was too much. 2. The trade was unnecessary since the Niners would have picked Thomas anyway. 3. The team has too many holes to trade up. 4. Glennon's contract now is wasted money. That's just to start. Nevermind the accuracy issues.

And now the Niners pick Thomas, the guy they were going to pick anyway. Great trade.

I love how the Bears pick him, and I immediately get sarcastic emails from friends who are fans of other teams. And then the announcers on ESPN start talking about all the shit he does poorly. Now the #2 pick in the entire NFL draft is going to sit behind Glennon. Just makes no sense whatsoever. So either the Glennon move was horrible, or the Trubisky pick is horrible. No two ways around it. And Trubisky would have been there at #3. Just an overall baffling move.

Way to go Pace. Just absolutely ruined the draft for me and nearly every other Chicago Bear fan.

Horrible.

Horrible. I don't care who they pick. Horrible. Giving up picks that we couldn't afford. Horrible.

WOW! That's great inside information from Kaplan. I would not be shocked at all if they picked him at #2. That would be great in my opinion, because I think he's the third best DE in the draft behind Garrett and Allen. That would leave the Bears with the choice of Allen, Adams, Hooker, or a trade down for those QB-thirsty teams.

You don't sign a guy to a $6M contract for depth. Coop's starting. And Prince isn't a #1, but he's a fine #2. He's been solid his entire career, but gets a bad rap for not living up to the draft status. Fuller, yeah, I agree he's been a disappointment. But as the #3 guy, he's solid. You're right about duration, however, because none are long term. LeBlanc on the other hand is someone the staff appears to love, so he's not going anywhere. Lattimore would just make very little sense when considering team need in conjunction with BPA.

Cleveland is hunting, and wants to move up from 12. https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/857307213794349057 Pace has taken calls about the #3 pick. https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/857251302572789762 Let's make it happen!! Cleveland gives their #12, their 2nd rounder, their 3rd rounder, and a 6th rounder to the Bears for #3.

:pray :pray :pray

I understand the financial point you're making, and realize the double safety move would be unprecedented, but I actually think it would be a good decision in rare cases. The Bears are in a position where the realistically need multiple players, and they have the option of making several positions "pretty good," or taking one position group and turning it into game changing group. In each of the following cases, I think it would be transformative for the team. RD1: Hooker & RD2: Peppers RD1: Adams & RD2: Baker Let's say you could draft the following...wouldn't you? RD1: SS Troy Polamalu RD2: FS Mike Brown

Flawed logic in your opinion. I don't think it is. I think there are a few guys that are much better talent overall than Watson, and even more than the other QBs. I think Watson at 3 is a reach, regardless of whether or not he's a potential franchise QB. Key word: potential. If the Bears move back to #12, it's assumed that handful of guys (e.g. Garrett, Allen, Adams, Hooker) is gone. Going by your philosophy, anyone who likes a first round QB, regardless of position, should mortgage their entire franchise's future and move up to #1 in order to get their guy.

That late, Kelly can smell like Manziel all he wants. If he turns into the good version, he's a huge steal. If he turns into the bad version, he's an easy cut. As for the two OTs, you and every other Bears who wants a franchise QB should want the same. Haven't we proven the concept of putting a good QB behind a shit line enough times? The Bears have had one season of good OL play in forever, and that just happens to be the year the Bears went to the Super Bowl.

Out of all the realistic names (which excludes guys like OJ Howard), Lattimore makes me the most sick. That would be a horrible pick. With Cooper, Amukamara, Fuller, and LeBlanc, the Bears have enough depth and talent that they don't need to pick a CB until the mid-rounds.