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It feels like Scott and Mooney are very redundant, and if you plan to keep Scott, I don't think they bring back Mooney. What sucks is Scott has also underperformed, and I wouldn't mind moving on from him next season as well.

I try to see this from utilization vs production. A Center touches the ball on every offensive play, that to me is more valuable than WR2 who may only be the 3rd most targeted player. Then comparing to 3T and Edge. Who is replacing who? At Center, even a league average player replacing Patrick would be a huge upgrade. I also can't believe Punter is not listed but we get to PR, WR3, and TE2. My list would be: 1. Center 2. Edge (Edge and 3T are basically interchangeable needs for me) 3. 3T 4. FS (Free Safety and WR2 are super close) 5. WR2 6. Punter (Gill is one of the worst punters, we can't afford to gift 5-10 yards per punt) 7. TE2 8. RB2/3 (The RB room really nosedived this season) 9. WR3 10. OL Depth That is not necessarily the order I would draft in, but if I could only have 1, I am getting a new Center over anything else.

I think for Poles, his decision has been made, and it comes down to this: What is Fields record when the Bears allow 21 or more pts? He is 0-21 when the Bears opponents score 21 or more. 7 of his 9 wins have come when the team allowed 19 or less. To me the 0-21 is crazy. If a defense has to hold a team to 20 or less (normally 2 TDs max) in today's NFL is tough. There are only 7 teams in the NFL that give up 20 or fewer pts per game. BUF, BAL, KC, DAL, MIN, ATL, and SF and they range between 17pts and 19.9pts per game. The QB has to be able to win some games for you when the defense is playing bad, or in some cases, after an offensive mistake that leads to a defensive score or a Special Teams TD against. Unfortunately, Fields has shown, once an opponent hits that magical number of 21, it is a Bears loss.

Absolutely, one is bad, two almost unfathomable, but three games like that in one season where you currently only have 5 wins, yeah, if it wasn't the Bears organization, he would've been fired after the Detroit collapse.

I agree, both need to go, very underwhelming, and I agree on the talent. For me, Scott has underperformed and will be right behind Velus off the team. Honestly, I would expect some competition next year for a roster spot. Just because he is a 4th round pick, shouldn't make him a roster lock. He is playing at or below a replacement player level.

Bears drafted Tyler Scott in the 4th round, who has 14 receptions for 141 yards on the season. Puka Nacua was drafted in the 5th, is about to break the rookie record for receptions and yards in a season. He needs 11 receptions and 147 yards in his last two games to break both records. He had 9 receptions for 164 yards last night. More yards than Scott has all season.

You were on there? What did you ask/say?

Week 16 1. LAR beats NO (LAR at home) Check 2. TEN beats SEA (tough with how SEA looked but it is short week) - Damn SEA, making things tough for the Bears 3. PHI beats NYG (PHI at home), OR (Week 18 rematch of PHI @ NYG) - MON Check

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There is definitely no crystal ball, and comes down to a lot of eyes and opinions. For Cutler, there was a lot of hype as he was coming off a Pro Bowl season.

He has 2040 (+143)=2183 So he was in the range of QBs that it might be difficult to change his habits, you kinda got what you got.

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Brees just played like crap in Year 3, giving them the reason to draft Rivers. I thought he got hurt, he just got benched for Flutie.

I did not know personal attacks were going on that long.

Purdy still leads the NFL in QBR. That is hard to do regardless of how good the team is around you. Miami is stacked pretty good with Hill, Waddle, Mostert and Achane. You can say that about DET, DAL, and PHI too. At some point the QB has to get some credit. With 29 TDs to only 7 INTs, Purdy is doing something right. Fields has 14 and 8 in 100 less passing attempts.

I didn't know that about the VR, Fields needs to try that, get the twitch response mechanism going quicker.

Brees had more passes in college than Fields has in college+pros combined so Fields definitely still has a way to go in his development. Brees was much more of an established pocket passer coming out of college and the only difference between his 4th season and any previous was TDs and INTs. He actually passed for more yards in his 2nd year than his 4th. Half of his completions in 2004 went to Tomlinson and Gates. I definitely see where you are going on the timing though, but the Brees situation was more injury history and injury related on why they first drafted Rivers and why they ultimately went with him in the end. If the Bears get the #1 pick and draft a QB, and they keep Fields, I wouldn't put it past him if he balled out. Maybe that is what he has been missing, true pressure/competition.

TNF tonight: LAR beats NO helps the Bears slim playoff chances and doesn't affect draft order.

Part of the problem is some light sarcasm or humor could be construed as poking fun at someone vs the subject, then the other person responds personally and we are off to the races. Facts are facts, numbers are numbers, but everyone is entitled to interpret them in their own way, it doesn't make anyone stupid, dumb, or an a-hole. 250 yards passing may be a success to some and a failure to others. I just like to see all angles and if not find more to further the discussion. At the end of the day, we all are dying for some prolonged success so the offseason is not the most exciting part of the year. I think we are close.

Gents, we don't need this here, there is enough chaos on Reddit, in Discord, on Twitter, FB, etc. Please stop with the personal attacks. If you don't agree with someone, just don't respond. There is no need for anyone to get stressed out on a Bears discussion board. It's a free country and you can do and say whatever you want, but don't make this personal. Fields is a very polarizing player. 10x more than Trubisky ever was, but at the same time, there is an opportunity to draft a QB #1, which the Bears have never done. Poles can literally go in any direction, which is unprecedented freedom. The franchise is probably in the best position for sustained success going into next year since Lovie/Urlacher era, maybe even better. Can we just enjoy the ride?

Yeah, I read a book about the 10,000-Hour Rule. Basically that is the amount of time you need to put into something to truly "master" it. It can be applied to just about any skill. Obviously some more than others, but when it comes to QBing, the actually rep of the pre-snap read, receive from Center, post snap read, and then an actual passing attempt (vs a scramble) is super important. Some guys played more games, but other played less but had more passing attempts. To me the volume matters, and historically, Fields has been on the low side of volume, which is fine, but it makes the eval window slower/longer. Daniels is very intriguing because, for me, he hits all the things you are looking for in a future NFL QB, he played at a big school, against tough competition, had 7x 300yd passing games AND 5x 100yd rushing games (with 3 others in the 90s), a total of 40 passing TDs and 10 rushing TDs to go with only 4 INTs, and never more in one game and no back to back games with an INT. That is very impressive to me. He is 6'4" (I hope they didn't measure his hair) and 210, so he has the frame to put on a few lbs of muscle. He just turned 23, so he is not too young or too old (22-23 seems like the best window for success).

Omaha, it is very interesting because you have to weigh their own performance, the quality of their teammates, coaches, and opponents, then figure out what projects best to the NFL. For Daniels, he had an incredible season, and he should be considered in the top group of QBs. I am sure as the offseason goes along, combine, pro day, etc, he will slide up the chart. I always look at different ways to figure out who can project to an NFL QB AND how long that will take. Looking at college passing attempts (equate to experience), here are college attempts and pro attempts for all the main QBs over the last few years. In this list below, the * is the number of seasons with a QBR over 60.0. There is a huge clump of QBs that had over 1000 passing attempts in college to Mahomes in the 1300's, then even after him, you have Purdy, Goff, Mayfield, and Browning. Goff and Mayfield are pretty well established QBs, you kind of know what you got (their floors and ceilings are defined). Purdy is well on his way, and even Browning has filled in for Burrow with better numbers, but the jury is still out on him. For Fields, he was in the high risk area coming out with only 618 passing attempts. The only QB that has succeeded for more than one season with fewer passing attempts is Kyler Murray (2x QBR seasons). Mac Jones and Trubisky are like clones, projecting very similarly. What I find interesting is Fields still has less live game attempts than Mac Jones (started with less), Zach Wilson (didn't play that much), Sam Howell (drafted later), Jordan Love (just started this season), Daniel Jones (always hurt), Desmond Ridder, Brock Purdy, Jake Browning, Mike Penix, Kenny Pickett, and Bo Nix. Every rep is development. So the jury is still out on him, though he is getting close to those 1600 reps. By then, they are who they are. Passing Attempts College+Pros High Risk/Small Sample Size T. Lance 318 (+102)=420 A. Richardson 393 (+84)=477 D. Mills 438 (+880)=1318 K. Murray 519 (+2140)=2659** M. Jones 556 (+1308)=1864 M. Trubisky 572 (+1872)=2444* [Did the Bears really do this back to back?] J. Fields 618 (+883)=1501 [Did the Bears really do this back to back?] J. Allen 649 (+3056)=3705**** T. Tagovailoa 684 (+1536)=2220* W. Levis 738 (+249)=987 ------------------- Min. Eval 800-1000 Attempts C. Stroud 830 (+441)=1271 Z. Wilson 837 (+993)=1830 J. Burrow 945 (+1895)=2840** B. Young 949 (+441)=1390 D. Maye 952 ------------------- Projectable Range 1000-1600 Attempts J. Hurts 1047 (+1501)=2548* L. Jackson 1086 (+2056)=3142**** C. Williams 1099 S. Howell 1117 (+554)=1671 J. Love 1125 (+569)=1694 T. Lawrence 1138 (+1678)=2816* D. Prescott 1169 (+3767)=4936***** D. Watson 1207 (+2089)=3296*** D. Jones 1275 (+1900)=3175* J. Herbert 1293 (+2422)=3715**** D. Ridder 1304 (+469)=1773 P. Mahomes 1349 (+3517)=4866****** J. Daniels 1438 B. Purdy 1467 (+554)=2021* J. Browning 1484 (+144)=1628 B. Mayfield 1497 (+2725)=4223* J. Goff 1569 (+4001)=5570** M. Penix 1596 -------------------- Hard to Adapt 1600+ (can they improve from here?) K. Pickett 1674 (+713)=2387 B. Nix 1901

They got their win out of the way. GB, JAX, and TB are all definitely better than ATL and it would take an epic collapse by any of those teams to lose to the Panthers with so much on the line. Young is 2nd in the NFL in sacks with 51. His sack rate is still less than Fields at 1 sack per 8.7 passing attempts. Is the NYG OLine the worst ever? Jones+DeVito= 65 sacks. 8.7 Young 8.4 Fields 8.0 Z. Wilson 5.3 D. Jones (IR) 4.6 Devito

Bears favored by 4 over Cardinals. Packers only favored by 4.5 against Panthers is surprising.