January 26, 201610 yr comment_154528 To work for Jeff Fisher in LA. Ouch.... http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/12...ars-back-market Report
January 26, 201610 yr comment_154530 Honestly, I'm meh on his departure. I realize he had absolute shit to work with this year, but coming into the draft most already thought Alshon would be very good, if not great. And a lot of Alshon's progression is no doubt linked to his relationship with Brandon Marshall. Report
January 26, 201610 yr comment_154531 Honestly, I'm meh on his departure. I realize he had absolute shit to work with this year, but coming into the draft most already thought Alshon would be very good, if not great. And a lot of Alshon's progression is no doubt linked to his relationship with Brandon Marshall. Alshon was a 2nd round pick who turned into one of the better wideouts in the NFL. If everyone thought he was great, he'd have been picked higher. Groh has done a good job with this club, now I do agree with you that Marshall clearly served as a valuable mentor to Alshon as well (and could get just as much, if not more credit to be frank). Groh is leaving for a promotion, so clearly the Rams so a lot in him and Fox didn't want to get in his way of a promotion (probably a reason why Fox is able to typically get good assistants is that he is also okay with promoting them and tends to not block them from advancement). Report
January 26, 201610 yr Author comment_154538 Alshon was a 2nd round pick who turned into one of the better wideouts in the NFL. If everyone thought he was great, he'd have been picked higher. Groh has done a good job with this club, now I do agree with you that Marshall clearly served as a valuable mentor to Alshon as well (and could get just as much, if not more credit to be frank). Groh is leaving for a promotion, so clearly the Rams so a lot in him and Fox didn't want to get in his way of a promotion (probably a reason why Fox is able to typically get good assistants is that he is also okay with promoting them and tends to not block them from advancement). He (Groh) was a carry over from the previous regime. The fact he survived a dramatic transition like the Bears did (and with an established coach like Fox nonetheless) should say something of his clout. I recall reading about him a year or so ago about how well liked and respected he was not just with the WRs but the offense players in general. Seems overall very respected. The reason I brought it up was more to see how things progress next year with two 'key' pieces gone to the offense starategists. Groh and Gase (to me) leaving seem a bit more significant than just 'meh'. Guess we'll see. Report
January 26, 201610 yr comment_154539 Alshon was a 2nd round pick who turned into one of the better wideouts in the NFL. If everyone thought he was great, he'd have been picked higher. Groh has done a good job with this club, now I do agree with you that Marshall clearly served as a valuable mentor to Alshon as well (and could get just as much, if not more credit to be frank). Groh is leaving for a promotion, so clearly the Rams so a lot in him and Fox didn't want to get in his way of a promotion (probably a reason why Fox is able to typically get good assistants is that he is also okay with promoting them and tends to not block them from advancement). He dropped in the draft due to being overweight and work ethic concerns. His talent has always been thought to be 1st round. Many projected him in the first round. Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154540 He was rumored to be in the running for QB coach. We hired Ragone. I think Groh wanted to move on to a place where he had more input into the game planning. Can't blame him from a career standpoint he needs to make that step. Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154541 Alshon was a 2nd round pick who turned into one of the better wideouts in the NFL. If everyone thought he was great, he'd have been picked higher. Groh has done a good job with this club, now I do agree with you that Marshall clearly served as a valuable mentor to Alshon as well (and could get just as much, if not more credit to be frank). Groh is leaving for a promotion, so clearly the Rams so a lot in him and Fox didn't want to get in his way of a promotion (probably a reason why Fox is able to typically get good assistants is that he is also okay with promoting them and tends to not block them from advancement). Dude, for as long as I can remember, Alshon is the only pick that every single person on this board, and older boards, was in favor of. Hell, you started the thread where everyone supported the pick! Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154542 Dude, for as long as I can remember, Alshon is the only pick that every single person on this board, and older boards, was in favor of. Hell, you started the thread where everyone supported the pick! Oh, I never said I didn't like the pick. I'm just saying I don't think that 2nd round pick fits the bill of a guaranteed success, so I can't not give credit to the coaches. I absolutely loved the Jeffrey pick and still do (but I can also think of all the time some guy was falling draft boards who I thought was a stud who ended up busting too). I think there was even a year where most everyone thought the Browns had the best draft in the league (might have been the year they got Quinn plus someone else)....boy was the planet wrong than. Either way, I hope Jeffrey is back and I hope White proves to be very legit. Would be huge for this offense to have those two weapons outside. You are right though, very rarely is a whole board aligned on who we should pick. I think the other case where most everyone liked a pick was when we grabbed Carimi. Geeze was that a failure. Even when you and I get the olinemen, the Bears miss the boat (until Long of course). Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154544 Oh, I never said I didn't like the pick. I'm just saying I don't think that 2nd round pick fits the bill of a guaranteed success, so I can't not give credit to the coaches. I absolutely loved the Jeffrey pick and still do (but I can also think of all the time some guy was falling draft boards who I thought was a stud who ended up busting too). I think there was even a year where most everyone thought the Browns had the best draft in the league (might have been the year they got Quinn plus someone else)....boy was the planet wrong than. Either way, I hope Jeffrey is back and I hope White proves to be very legit. Would be huge for this offense to have those two weapons outside. You are right though, very rarely is a whole board aligned on who we should pick. I think the other case where most everyone liked a pick was when we grabbed Carimi. Geeze was that a failure. Even when you and I get the olinemen, the Bears miss the boat (until Long of course). Big misunderstanding. I thought you were saying most didn't love him. As for Carimi, I think it was just bad luck. A fluke injury. Hell, I wouldn't mind bringing the Bear Jew back as a backup OT. Maybe he's past his injury? Although, I don't think he played this year. Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154545 Big misunderstanding. I thought you were saying most didn't love him. As for Carimi, I think it was just bad luck. A fluke injury. Hell, I wouldn't mind bringing the Bear Jew back as a backup OT. Maybe he's past his injury? Although, I don't think he played this year. Hard to accept Carimi ever being labeled a bust, he took a blow that takes years to recover from. If it was for that fluke, he may be still part of the Bears line. Who knows about Columbo also, suffered nearly the same injury. If he stayed healthy, he may be still be playing entering his 14th year. The Bears have not had luck on their side, if it wasn't for some of these injuries on high draft picks this team may have had a other Superbowl run Report
January 27, 201610 yr Author comment_154558 Hard to accept Carimi ever being labeled a bust, he took a blow that takes years to recover from. If it was for that fluke, he may be still part of the Bears line. Who knows about Columbo also, suffered nearly the same injury. If he stayed healthy, he may be still be playing entering his 14th year. The Bears have not had luck on their side, if it wasn't for some of these injuries on high draft picks this team may have had a other Superbowl run. Gasp!!! That suggests Lovie could have been coach of another Super Bowl run!!! OH THE HORROR!!! And I thought he never tried to better the offense? Hey, had it not worked out the way it did we wouldn't have Fox as coach. I'm down with that. Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154559 THe D was on the decline ever since Rivera was booted by Smith! Gasp!!! That suggests Lovie could have been coach of another Super Bowl run!!! OH THE HORROR!!! And I thought he never tried to better the offense? Hey, had it not worked out the way it did we wouldn't have Fox as coach. I'm down with that. Report
January 27, 201610 yr comment_154561 Gasp!!! That suggests Lovie could have been coach of another Super Bowl run!!! OH THE HORROR!!! And I thought he never tried to better the offense? Hey, had it not worked out the way it did we wouldn't have Fox as coach. I'm down with that. I get the sarcasm, but he, in fact, sacrificed offense for defense. It's been shown over and over and over on this board in a variety of ways. There were way more DL drafted than OL. There was much more focus in keeping games slowed down than being explosive on offense. It just so happens that the OL Lovie et. al. did pick were all injured. Marc Colombo - Before Lovie, but had a fluke injury, and would have been a cornerstone if not injured. Chris Williams - Injury history prior to the draft. Drafted anyway. Completely dicked around by the Bears (documented numerous times). Gabe Carimi - Fluke injury, basically a career ender. FWIW - I don't think he had much hand in the OL picks. I think in each instance someone advised him to make the picks for the sake of the team. And the simple fact is, the OL was always sacrificed at the expense of the defensive players he loved. Report
January 28, 201610 yr Author comment_154563 I get the sarcasm, but he, in fact, sacrificed offense for defense. It's been shown over and over and over on this board in a variety of ways. There were way more DL drafted than OL. There was much more focus in keeping games slowed down than being explosive on offense. It just so happens that the OL Lovie et. al. did pick were all injured. Marc Colombo - Before Lovie, but had a fluke injury, and would have been a cornerstone if not injured. Chris Williams - Injury history prior to the draft. Drafted anyway. Completely dicked around by the Bears (documented numerous times). Gabe Carimi - Fluke injury, basically a career ender. FWIW - I don't think he had much hand in the OL picks. I think in each instance someone advised him to make the picks for the sake of the team. And the simple fact is, the OL was always sacrificed at the expense of the defensive players he loved. Think all you want, Lovie made attempts (whether pushed or not) to fix things the way he thought would fix them. (He did the same in TB - with Logan Mankins being a prime example of that). And to suggest that Lovie sacrificed the O at the expense of the D is ironic.... Given that people will always tell you that 'defenses win championships' I will always take a stellar defensive performance over a potent offense any day. But I digress. I eventually will learn my lesson and 'let bygones be bygones' and move on. Like I said, I am a fan of Fox' so I'm consoled in having him running the show now. And I'm glad you appreciated my sarcasm. That warms my heart. Report
January 28, 201610 yr Author comment_154564 THe D was on the decline ever since Rivera was booted by Smith! 2007 - 28th defense 2008 - 21st 2009 - 17th 2010 - 9th 2011 - 17th Seemed to be on the anti-decline until his last year. Report
January 28, 201610 yr comment_154565 Think all you want, Lovie made attempts (whether pushed or not) to fix things the way he thought would fix them. (He did the same in TB - with Logan Mankins being a prime example of that). And to suggest that Lovie sacrificed the O at the expense of the D is ironic.... Given that people will always tell you that 'defenses win championships' I will always take a stellar defensive performance over a potent offense any day. But I digress. I eventually will learn my lesson and 'let bygones be bygones' and move on. Like I said, I am a fan of Fox' so I'm consoled in having him running the show now. And I'm glad you appreciated my sarcasm. That warms my heart. 2003-2012 OT:5 OG:5 DT:7 DE:9 Clearly picked more DL than OL. But 10 to 16 isn't that big of a disparity, right? 2003-2012, by round OT: 1,1,7,7,7 OG: 6,7,7,7 DT: 1,2,2,3,3,4,5 DE: 1,1,2,3,4,4,5,5,7 Seeing it this way is very damning. Look at all the attention given to the DL!!! Three 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s!!! And the OL gets two 1s during that same stretch?? Also, this thread is where we FINALLY thought the OL would get attention, and there were a ton of names available. In similar threads during that time I touted DeCastro and Reiff. Of course, Lovie and crew decided to pick up SMC instead. Great. <_> Report
January 28, 201610 yr comment_154571 Well... 2005 - 1st 2006 - 3rd Kind of seems like a decline from there to me.... 2007 - 28th defense 2008 - 21st 2009 - 17th 2010 - 9th 2011 - 17th Seemed to be on the anti-decline until his last year. Report
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