WTF

[jason]

Did Seattle trade up one pick and lose 3 picks to draft Wilson?

 

Exactly. Every comparison I've seen thus far leaves out one critical detail in an effort to paint the Bears' trade in a prettier light.

 

 

[Stinger226]

Did Seattle trade up one pick and lose 3 picks to draft Wilson?

They took two,shots at QB, its not always the same path to get there. Don't get me wrong, i don't like it, but we still have couple of days to see the rest of the draft.

[Stinger226]

It's not win-win. I don't know why people keep saying this.

 

Let's break it down:

 

If Glennon does really well, the Bears have a QB controversy.

 

They'll have a #2 pick they're itching to get into the game, but can't, because Glennon kicked ass.

 

They'll think, "But we could trade Glennon!"

 

And the Bears will have given up a sure thing in Glennon, for yet another unsure thing in their #2 pick Trubisky, in the hopes of turning him into a sure thing.

 

If the end result is to end up with an uncertainty at QB, they could have just drafted defense and picked a mid-round QB.

If they end up being both good qbs, how is that not a win?

 

If he gets it right , you not liking it just won't matter. Getting a franchise qb is sinply the most important thing, period

[jason]

If they end up being both good qbs, how is that not a win?

 

If he gets it right , you not liking it just won't matter. Getting a franchise qb is sinply the most important thing, period

 

In the absolute perfect scenario, if 2017 Glennon is awesome, and 2018 Trubisky is awesome, then it's a win except for the fact that the 2017 money spent on Glennon was a complete waste, and the 2017 snaps Glennon gets will be a waste of potential Trubisky snaps. And that's the very best possibility in all of this.

 

[mondonico]

This draft was a sellers draft at the top. I have not heard or read one pundit who thinks the Bears made the right move. When the pick was read both networks were speechless. The combine ended before Pace got Glennen. They had the entire season to watch tape on all the QB's and the combine before signing Glennen. I'm sorry but this looks like a panic move made in the last few days. They should of been the one who got something for nothing. The only two teams who got better with this trade and pick are the niner's they got our picks, and the Browns from making the same mistake we made. 2nd worst trade in draft history behind DaCoach and Ricky. IMHO

[AZ54]

Exactly. Every comparison I've seen thus far leaves out one critical detail in an effort to paint the Bears' trade in a prettier light.

 

You are actually making the other point because you have already forgotten all that Seattle gave up to find a QB:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Whitehurst

Seattle Seahawks[edit]

Whitehurst was traded to the Seattle Seahawks on March 17, 2010, in exchange for a 2011 third-round draft pick to San Diego, and the two teams switched second-round picks in the 2010 NFL draft. He was signed to a two-year, $8 million contract. Seattle's front office later stated they had already picked up a potential franchise quarterback in the draft by acquiring Whitehurst with the 2011 pick.[10]

 

 

A year later they did this:

 

http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143215686.html

A day after Flynn made a visit to the Miami Dolphins, Seattle closed the deal with Flynn Sunday afternoon, agreeng to terms on a three-year deal that a source with direct knowledge of the deal said is worth $19 million with about $10 million guaranteed. There will be opportunities for Flynn to make as much as $24 million.

 

Then they tripled down on their bet and selected Wilson with a 3rd Rd pick right after signing Flynn to that huge contract. They didn't care they were throwing darts at the target until they hit on one. FWIW Wilson didn't exactly light it up his rookie season, they won because of that defense.

 

 

Likewise, Pace only has to be right on either of Glennon or Trubisky. If he is, the rest will be forgotten. If he's wrong on both it will never be forgotten. That's what he's paid for. I believe it was Adam who said hope is not a strategy. We signed the best FA QB at the time, and we signed the best QB in the draft. If he can't get it right we're better off finding out sooner than later, such as after we've lived with numerous 8-10 win seasons of mediocrity. There's a reason KC spent so much on a rookie QB even though Alex Smith can get them into the playoffs annually.

 

I'd rather ride this gamble into the future than be stuck like Cleveland with another season of no QB hopeful on the roster. They have Jabril Peppers on their roster, now if only they can find a position for him.

 

[jason]

You are actually making the other point because you have already forgotten all that Seattle gave up to find a QB:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Whitehurst

Seattle Seahawks[edit]

Whitehurst was traded to the Seattle Seahawks on March 17, 2010, in exchange for a 2011 third-round draft pick to San Diego, and the two teams switched second-round picks in the 2010 NFL draft. He was signed to a two-year, $8 million contract. Seattle's front office later stated they had already picked up a potential franchise quarterback in the draft by acquiring Whitehurst with the 2011 pick.[10]

 

A year later they did this:

 

http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143215686.html

A day after Flynn made a visit to the Miami Dolphins, Seattle closed the deal with Flynn Sunday afternoon, agreeng to terms on a three-year deal that a source with direct knowledge of the deal said is worth $19 million with about $10 million guaranteed. There will be opportunities for Flynn to make as much as $24 million.

 

Then they tripled down on their bet and selected Wilson with a 3rd Rd pick right after signing Flynn to that huge contract. They didn't care they were throwing darts at the target until they hit on one. FWIW Wilson didn't exactly light it up his rookie season, they won because of that defense.

 

Likewise, Pace only has to be right on either of Glennon or Trubisky. If he is, the rest will be forgotten. If he's wrong on both it will never be forgotten. That's what he's paid for. I believe it was Adam who said hope is not a strategy. We signed the best FA QB at the time, and we signed the best QB in the draft. If he can't get it right we're better off finding out sooner than later, such as after we've lived with numerous 8-10 win seasons of mediocrity. There's a reason KC spent so much on a rookie QB even though Alex Smith can get them into the playoffs annually.

 

I'd rather ride this gamble into the future than be stuck like Cleveland with another season of no QB hopeful on the roster. They have Jabril Peppers on their roster, now if only they can find a position for him.

 

Apples and oranges, brother. Apples and oranges.

 

There is no Chicago Bear fan that I know of who isn't all-in on getting a franchise QB. We've all wanted one for decades. So any team making multiple moves in order to get a franchise QB is something we understand as Chicago Bears' fans.

 

Whitehurst cost them a third rounder and a swapping of seats. Not remotely close to the trade the Bears made.

Flynn was a mistake for them, much like what most think the Glennon deal was, and now is.

Wilson was a third round pick, and they didn't have to sell the farm to get him.

 

Look, we've all been asking for QB. I've said (so have others) the Bears should draft a mid-round QB every year just for depth and upside. That's what the Seahawks did.

[adam]

Check out this game winning drive for Trubisky:

 

[jason]

There was a lot of discussions about teams moving up to take QBs. Once Cleveland took Garrett, it seems that the Bears received calls for teams looking to move up to take a QB. Pace must've believed that he had no choice but to swap picks with SF, which would give SF the best pick in this draft while gaining more picks. So SF gets the player they want (not a guarantee with teams like CLE, KC, or HOU) and additional picks from us. We get our guy and don't give up more than some 3rd's and a 4th. Comparatively, HOU and KC both gave up more (in terms of draft value) by giving up multiple 1st rounders.

 

That's a distorted view to say the least. The #3 pick is incredibly high value. That's the only reason the Bears didn't have to give up multiple first rounders. The HOU and KC trades were different by a wide margin because their original first rounders weren't worth nearly as much as the Bears' pick, and a future first rounder is uncertain value.