I think we can all see how important the offensive line is. Even if you have decent line that holds up most of the year, when you get to the big games and face the tough defenses, you have to be able to give your QB time no matter who they are.

And conversely, how important a good pass rush is too.

Everything happens in the lines, and we suck on both sides.

58 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think we can all see how important the offensive line is. Even if you have decent line that holds up most of the year, when you get to the big games and face the tough defenses, you have to be able to give your QB time no matter who they are.

And conversely, how important a good pass rush is too.

Everything happens in the lines, and we suck on both sides.

Trey Smith had a bad holding penalty but other than that Jalen Carter did very little in that game.  I'm not sure what that says about either player.  Stalemate?  

I do know that if I have to choose a QB to be under pressure I like more of what I've seen from Caleb than what Mahomes did tonight.  To your point, any QB can be humbled and get his eyes down when under constant pressure.   Mahomes had some time to take the short throws just not as much as he wanted to work the intermediate routes.  Kudos to Vic Fangio!  

KC has one of the best coaches in the league and best QB, and got their a** kicked.  

Philly didn't even run the ball well. The QB made the difference, we now have one of them.

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Trey Smith had a bad holding penalty but other than that Jalen Carter did very little in that game.  I'm not sure what that says about either player.  Stalemate?  

I do know that if I have to choose a QB to be under pressure I like more of what I've seen from Caleb than what Mahomes did tonight.  To your point, any QB can be humbled and get his eyes down when under constant pressure.   Mahomes had some time to take the short throws just not as much as he wanted to work the intermediate routes.  Kudos to Vic Fangio!  

Yeah, but the rest of the line was a sieve!

Fangio is a hell of a DC.

We need a better OL than KC has (Smith excepted)

10 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Trey Smith had a bad holding penalty but other than that Jalen Carter did very little in that game.  I'm not sure what that says about either player.  Stalemate?  

I saw it a little differently.  Jalen Carter had a great game.  His job yesterday was to keep gap discipline and he did it very well.  Mahomes had nowhere to go all game.  If you look back at it, Carter usually had Smith in a position where he could shed him.  PFF will tell you Smith was the Chiefs best OL yesterday and he may have been.  But as Carter was a beast.

13 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I saw it a little differently.  Jalen Carter had a great game.  His job yesterday was to keep gap discipline and he did it very well.  Mahomes had nowhere to go all game.  If you look back at it, Carter usually had Smith in a position where he could shed him.  PFF will tell you Smith was the Chiefs best OL yesterday and he may have been.  But as Carter was a beast.

100% agree, which is ONE REASON why PFF stats suck. 

1 hour ago, jason said:

100% agree, which is ONE REASON why PFF stats suck. 

yup.

This probably makes it far less likely Bears can get Smith from Chiefs. May make Sweat and/or Milton Williams more likely to hit free agency. 
 

100 percent agree it highlights the importance of the trenches. 

I'm not sure great applies to Carter and Smith. Carter shows up and Trey was a little off. Both good players but not sure 23 mil to Trey may be well spent somewhere else.

Milton Williams and Mecki Becton both had great games. Both are free agents. Philly can't pay both. We could sign Kevin Zeilter and Milton Williams for the 23-25 mil a year Trey Smith will get. 

We could sign M Becton and Cris Young for the same money as Trey Smith.

Lots of options, free agency will determine who our first 3 picks are.

 

28 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Lots of options, free agency will determine who our first 3 picks are.

A big money signing may well affect our draft plans, but i can tell you now that every year football teams fill all their holes with decent free agents so that they dont have to reach in the draft, but when good players drop to their pick in higher rounds, they pick them anyway, even if they just signed a free agent for the same position.

Obviously this doesnt apply to $20 million dollar a year free agents, just as late round picks can go to any position, but first through 4th or 5th round, we take good players. The reason you fill holes with free agents is so you can go some form of best player available, and if you dont land the players you were targeting, you dont have to reach on that position. But if the player you wanted is available, you draft him even if you just signed a mid tier free agent for the same position.

Often the vet wins the job in camp, but the rookie can displace them during the year. All or at least most teams do this. We do this every year.

Don't get me wrong y'all, Trey Smith is a stud.  

11 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I'm not sure great applies to Carter and Smith. Carter shows up and Trey was a little off. Both good players but not sure 23 mil to Trey may be well spent somewhere else.

Milton Williams and Mecki Becton both had great games. Both are free agents. Philly can't pay both. We could sign Kevin Zeilter and Milton Williams for the 23-25 mil a year Trey Smith will get. 

We could sign M Becton and Cris Young for the same money as Trey Smith.

Lots of options, free agency will determine who our first 3 picks are.

 

I also prefer the two for the price of one approach.  

16 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

A big money signing may well affect our draft plans, but i can tell you now that every year football teams fill all their holes with decent free agents so that they dont have to reach in the draft, but when good players drop to their pick in higher rounds, they pick them anyway, even if they just signed a free agent for the same position.

Obviously this doesnt apply to $20 million dollar a year free agents, just as late round picks can go to any position, but first through 4th or 5th round, we take good players. The reason you fill holes with free agents is so you can go some form of best player available, and if you dont land the players you were targeting, you dont have to reach on that position. But if the player you wanted is available, you draft him even if you just signed a mid tier free agent for the same position.

Often the vet wins the job in camp, but the rookie can displace them during the year. All or at least most teams do this. We do this every year.

We have a history of Poles off-season agenda. Of course you could add a starting guard and still draft one. Competition is the key. Most rookies have a growth period.

I think Poles has one big contract out there. That could very well be extending Kyler Gordon. 

Maybe 2 Nate Davis type adds, Chase Young won't get a big contract, 10-12 mil. Kevin Zeilter,Dave Dalman as a center won't be huge 12 mil? I think money will be spent on the trenches and still draft the trenches 

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

We have a history of Poles off-season agenda. Of course you could add a starting guard and still draft one. Competition is the key. Most rookies have a growth period.

I think Poles has one big contract out there. That could very well be extending Kyler Gordon. 

Maybe 2 Nate Davis type adds, Chase Young won't get a big contract, 10-12 mil. Kevin Zeilter,Dave Dalman as a center won't be huge 12 mil? I think money will be spent on the trenches and still draft the trenches 

Poles definitely signs mid and low level free agents to fill holes that he may well draft as well.

Big money free agents not counting in this of course.