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[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

This falls into the wait and see department.  If this team were to really take off and look like a legit playoff contender then I'd be ok adding someone like Thibodeux mid-season.   Even though he'd make us better I wouldn't do this now because there are too many questions about roster makeup to give away future draft capital.  I don't even know if Caleb is the QB of the future yet.  

Good points, one more edge would probably put us over the top, if the rest blends well.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Good points, one more edge would probably put us over the top, if the rest blends well.

I think his point is that we cant assume pieces we think are going to be great, are actually going to be great until we see them.

From our current understanding of the roster, we have holes at DE and HB. But when we see it with the pads on, some players may show us that they arent going to work out like we hoped, and some may show us that they are ready to fill the holes i just mentioned too.

I think you're counting chickens before they hatch, and he's saying that we will know when we know. And I think that has to be how Poles is thinking too? or any GM?

So it's not the right time to make a trade, we agree, since we don't fully even know what we have yet, for good or bad. The only exception to that is something that's a clear deal on a real stud, or minor moves monkeying with depth.

So when it comes to starters, we will probably roll with what we've got and the next likely window for making changes is the cuts at end of training camp, and the one after that is the trade deadline.

But that doesn't mean boxes are checked and everyone is certain that what the podcasts are saying is REAL. We need to see it in pads, under live fire, and into the season as well.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

9 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think his point is that we cant assume pieces we think are going to be great, are actually going to be great until we see them.

From our current understanding of the roster, we have holes at DE and HB. But when we see it with the pads on, some players may show us that they arent going to work out like we hoped, and some may show us that they are ready to fill the holes i just mentioned too.

I think you're counting chickens, and he is saying that we will know when we know. And I think that has to be how Poles is thinking too? or any GM?

So it's not the right time to make a trade, since you don't fully even know what you have yet, for good or bad. The only exception to that is something that's a clear deal on a real stud, or minor moves monkeying with depth.

But when it comes to starters, we will probably roll with what we've got and the next likely window for making changes is the cuts at end of training camp, and the one after that is the trade deadline.

This is like Nagys first year. They traded for Mack and that worked in year one - it was the wrong move though - gave up too much assets out of gate and it hampered team to fill and be more aggressive in filling two years after. 
 

Hold the chips so we can see who develops, who doesn’t and where they need to pivot. 

[BearFan PHX]

29 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

This is like Nagys first year. They traded for Mack and that worked in year one - it was the wrong move though - gave up too much assets out of gate and it hampered team to fill and be more aggressive in filling two years after. 
 

Hold the chips so we can see who develops, who doesn’t and where they need to pivot. 

yeah or even who is going to play LT. There are LOTS of podcasts about it, but they haven't played a down in pads yet. Or how the DE rotation is looking. Or even who will be the main HB for this team. How Kmet will be. Whether Williams is improving. Etc Etc.

I think just because we hear some guy on the internet who has a "show" say it, doesn't mean it's true. This is hype season, but the truth is coming in a month or two.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

8 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

yeah or even who is going to play LT. There are LOTS of podcasts about it, but they haven't played a down in pads yet.

I think just because we hear some guy on the internet who has a "show" say it, doesn't mean it's true. This is hype season, but the truth is coming in a month or two.

Exactly - I’ve seen enough of paper champs from the Bears. I want to see badass production and significant growth on the field. 

[Stinger226]

You have to take in what ever information you see, hear and form an opinion. Some think the arrow is pointing up and some think same old Bears. This year is not like any other year as far as positive additions go, you dont have to agree. 

Caleb could have a 5 TD , 400 yard day and  some people will just look at his mistakes and not believe what they just saw.  

[BearFan PHX]

43 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

You have to take in what ever information you see, hear and form an opinion. Some think the arrow is pointing up and some think same old Bears. This year is not like any other year as far as positive additions go, you dont have to agree. 

Caleb could have a 5 TD , 400 yard day and  some people will just look at his mistakes and not believe what they just saw.  

You're missing the point entirely.

I am NOT saying the team will be bad! I'm saying on paper they actually look really solid, but it's all projection, and I want to see it on grass in pads. I even said maybe someone will OUT-perform our expectations and look even better than Greg Gabriel says they will LOL

The comment was made in the context of making roster moves. And I think right now, except for tweaks in depth, or if a major talent becomes available at a discount price, that we will sit on the hand we have right now, and wait to see it next month in pads. THEN we will have new opinions and that would be the time to reevalute the roster if necessary.

But no one is saying "yeah sure they look good on paper, but theyre going to suck in reality" I thinkt hat's what you're hearing? But no, we're just saying, "yes, looks good, let's see if it still looks the same in pads" not saying we exepct it to look bad, or good for that matter, just we will see it when it happens. It's not pessimism, it's just we've made all the theoretical moves, now let's test the theories? And you're the one saying these are known quantities?

But the strawman argument youre creating of these pessimistic thoughts is not in our comments. Thats not what we are saying at all.

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

You have to take in what ever information you see, hear and form an opinion. Some think the arrow is pointing up and some think same old Bears. This year is not like any other year as far as positive additions go, you dont have to agree. 

Caleb could have a 5 TD , 400 yard day and  some people will just look at his mistakes and not believe what they just saw.  

I have done that and formed my opinion of:   Show me.  

If Caleb does have mistakes in a 400yd passing game, i can be happy but also don't have a problem pointing out how he could have had 450yds.  I hope is coach feels the same way.  

[Stinger226]

18 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I have done that and formed my opinion of:   Show me.  

If Caleb does have mistakes in a 400yd passing game, i can be happy but also don't have a problem pointing out how he could have had 450yds.  I hope is coach feels the same way.  

Coaches should always point out ( be better) but instead of being excited to see him play better, its about pointing out mistakes.( not much fun). Of course you can do both but  it is never my first reaction, ( he missed a WR on a TD throw) or (was holding the ball to long.) I accept joy, I'll be critical later in the week.

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[adam]

Great Bagent interview, you can tell this year really is "different". I know the rinse and repeat history makes most of us into the ultimate pessimists because we have lived through "this year is different" 30+ times, but these interviews really do paint a different picture:
 

 

Besides the normal stuff we have heard before, I did like that Bagent specifically pointed out that DomRob has been visible. He said he just had a baby, so he thinks it is dad strength or something because no one wants to block him. 

[Stinger226]

I view everything as improved and with a disaster that was last year, a few games could easily had a different outcome. To me we had a lot of talent last year that gave up on a coaching staff the last half of the season. This year I say they will have a winning record and I do need proof that I am wrong on my predication. Even with some lows and injuries, it still should happen.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, adam said:

Great Bagent interview, you can tell this year really is "different". I know the rinse and repeat history makes most of us into the ultimate pessimists because we have lived through "this year is different" 30+ times, but these interviews really do paint a different picture:
 

 

Besides the normal stuff we have heard before, I did like that Bagent specifically pointed out that DomRob has been visible. He said he just had a baby, so he thinks it is dad strength or something because no one wants to block him. 

Oh i don't think anyone thinks this is just another Bears team. I think we ALL see the difference. The roster looks much better, and the coaching is an obvious and stark upgrade.

I just think some of us are saying we are looking forward to seeing it in pads so we know if every piece is really up to par.

For example, we have no idea who will play LT. There are lots of reasons to believe that between the three candidates we have, one will ascend. Cool. But I want to see it, and not just assume it?

But that doesnt mean we are pessimistic and think its NOT going to happen. It just means we want to see it to know what we've really got.

We arent predicting failure, but we also arent assuming this is a Superbowl team, having never played a single down yet is all. We just want to see.

What if one of the OL is weaker than expected? Or what if Roschon Johnson lights it all on fire and becomes HB1? What if Burden holds out, or Kmet is suddenly amazing?

This is the month of podcast hype, where people say things like "the roster is complete" and that's just silly.

But none of that means that we are pessimistic or think the Bears will be terrible! We just want to see it on the field so we know what we have!

[Stinger226]

I am a long time Bears fan so it would be so easy for me to say, (new coach-Dynamic QB-more talent) that they might be better but: Sitting on the fence means you're never wrong but I would rather go with my honest opinion and say we have a Perfect Storm brewing. I see a floor of 10 wins and a ceiling of 11-12 victories. Everything is not perfect but every year has some position that has doubts. LT and DE has questions but I think we have enough options to work out for us. To me RB has never been a weakness just because Swift had a mediorcre year. Rookie QB, shakey OL and bad coaching created his average yr. 

[BearFan PHX]

Speaking for myself, Im not sitting ont he fence, or worried about being wrong.

Im saying it is June, and this is the time of year where the draft and first wave of free agency is over. This is the time to see what you have before you do anything else - that's the rhythm of the NFL every year.

The next step is to see it on grass in pads. Then after you see what you really have, you make adjustments.

This isn't optimistic, pessimistic or fence sitting. It's just what June is.

For example, I am very excited to see Trapilo take the LT position and dominate. That's what i hope happens. So far, everything points in the right direction. We havent heard any negative stuff about him in OTAs, he seems to be int he right positions and understanding the blocking assignments. Cool!

But i cant tell you that Amagadje isnt better, or Braxton Jones for that matter. Now I know what Jones has on tape, so i think I can predict what he can give us, but who knows what Roushar might unlock?

But to start saying Trapilo is the guy, or Amagadje is the guy etc is foolish until you see them in pads.

That's not pessimistic. That's not fence sitting. It's just the truth.

I dont understand this idea that you have to proclaim that we are great right now in order to be "joyful" or "optimistic" - thats homer fan stuff driven by Podcasts during a month when nothing is happening. It's the kind of dynamic where we build all sorts of outcomes out of a single time that Johnson corrected Caleb for being late. i mean, dont get me wrong i LOVE that, but it's just a tiny data point.

So podcasters and their viewers can wrap themsevles in narratives all they like, but it's not a question of morals. It's just rah rah fan crap.

I am very excited to see this team on grass in pads. I am optimistic about our near future. But I'm not counting chickens until they suit up and knock some people around. Not because I doubt them, but just because words arent actions.

I dont need to declare my love for the Bears - we ALL spend hours on this site, it's obvious we all love them.

But let's see what we've got before we claim any championships or even wins in June.

[Mongo3451]

One thing I gleaned, from the Bagent interview, was this quote when asked about the new process,"if I ever decide to get into coaching, that's how I want to do it".