Caleb Story...

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I would never leave a franchise rookie QB watch ten seconds of film alone.  Every play is an opportunity to learn and form a bond between coach and player.  It actually pisses me off that they laid that burden on Caleb.  I've seen video of Brady and Belichick where Bill showed Tom the difference of six inches.  Football it's geometry.  Tom took those lessons to the likes of Julian Edelman and made him a star. Anyone hear the phrase "third and Edelman"?  The devil is in the details.  Evidently Caleb had some camp and Waldren was involved; the dysfunction began there.  I expect much more this year.  And it ain't even close.  We'll know everything by week four...

Yeah I agree, and also about knowing things by week 4 too.

I do know that coaches dont watch tape with the players every time they watch tape. Like when they come in early, or leave late. But it's important that coaches watch tape with the QB relating to the weekly install each week. Even if a lot of it is the QB coach. But even still it can come down to Case and Caleb (and Tyson!) watching it together too.

I think the Bears (and most or all NFL teams) have tremendous digital support staff. They can dial up plays that fit any filter immediately. "Show me every 3rd and more than 6 of the Vikings Defense for the last 4 weeks" for example. I would be shcoked if they didnt also have cutups digitally related to different concepts in the playbooks.

So a player should be able to know that play X attacks middle zones, and then look at 2nd and 3rd down zone coverages from that defense to look for keys. My guess is that these cutups are already attached to the plays for that week. For a coach not to go through THAT with the player is incredible.

There are some real clowns in the NFL. And we've employed a lot of them.

[Stinger226]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I am just floored that our coaches didnt watch film with Caleb. That's malpractice and it's stupid! I mean, it's your dream job in the NFL; head coach and Offensive Coordinator, and you have the first overall pick. How you do in that situation is gonna determine your NFL future. What in hell did you have to do that was so important that it didnt include hours of prep time for your QB? Explaining you offense vs. that weeks defense? It's INSANE.

It is also true that QBs should watch a LOT more film than coaches have time for too. The QB coach should be there for some of it for sure, and if your team has a vet QB, it's their job too to teach the rookie how to watch film, and working together to find trends and such in the week's opponent. Case keenum is gonna be very helpful for Caleb in that way.

And I think some people read all this to mean "oh you need help identifying cover 2?" and of course thats not it. It's about being clever and finding little tells and spacings in your opponent. You might think that in certain formations, the LB shades outside a bit more than average, and so you think "if I have Kmet on a slant on that play, like A, B, C & D in this weeks game plan, then I will be ready to expect that he will have superior body position inside"

That's not football 101, it's noticing little details that give you small advantages in that week. It's the kind of thing where if you have multiple people looking at it, then each person sees different things. And the Coordinator is supposedly doing that too, scouting the opponents tendencies and matchups. So the game plan is supposed to have plays that are meant to exploit these expectations.

So why in hell wouldnt you communicate that to your QB?? Show him the plays you have for the week along with some clips of WHY you chose them this week. What did the OC see? What will the QB look at?

Sounds like Johnson is already doing a lot of that on the field. We dont have a weekly opponent now, so we are putting in the generic plays. BJ is explaining what each route is doing - how it gets open vs different coverages, or how it help put a defender in conflict, and how to read that etc.

If you know WHY a play works, then it becomes a tool against defenses. If you just know the play and what to do, but not the reason behind it, then all you can do is read it in order, and not change your reads depending on what youre seeing, and how the play matches up to that.

So yeah, BJ, Doyle, the QB coach and Keenum should be helping all of that and the film study all go together into one cohesive plan.

Williams did pretty well last year without that, didnt he?

Not to mention that we are hearing reports that multiple opponents coaching staffs actually laughed at us when reviewing our offensive tape for their defenses. Lining up in formations where you cause a couple players to be completely ineffective, running routes that dont compliment eachother, and making atorcious reads by the Ol in the running game.

It should be really different this year. Is it possible we havent had a real football team here for decades? That we're gonna see something that looks tighter and more intentional than what we are used to? God dammit i am ready for it.

The quote was (at times) he watched film by himself. If a player goes in on his own time and watches film, I would say cudos to Caleb for putting extra work in. Every position group watches film of the game with their coaches after games. It was not stated (never). 

[Stinger226]

[adam]

Check out this interview with Bagent. He thinks Caleb and Dexter are going to have breakout seasons.

They try to be nice about the former staff, but Bagent is super excited about the new staff and went up and down both sides of the ball praising the coaches. He also noted that the new staff is teaching them what they are responsible for on each play, what their job is on every play, very detail-oriented, connecting the dots, etc.

Now one would think this occurs everywhere, but the fact that he states this as a difference leads me to believe that they were just running plays last year. He mentions "teaching" several times in this interview. He also mentioned how awesome it is to have JT Barrett and Case Keenum in the QB Room. He said that Keenum has already helped him change his routine. That's awesome. I would not have any issues keeping 3x QBs on the roster if Keenum is that big of an influence.

 

 

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The quote was (at times) he watched film by himself. If a player goes in on his own time and watches film, I would say cudos to Caleb for putting extra work in. Every position group watches film of the game with their coaches after games. It was not stated (never). 

Yes he is saying they never watched film with him. Thats why it's a big story.

[adam]

32 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yes he is saying they never watched film with him. Thats why it's a big story.

Here is a quote stating that it was "at times".  I just thought it meant that when he was going to watch tape alone, no coach ever told him to watch something specific. Still coaching malpractice, but it seems par for the course with how bad the coaching staff was. 
 

 

[Stinger226]

54 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yes he is saying they never watched film with him. Thats why it's a big story.

The story was, he didnt want to play for the Bears

 

 

1. 24 minutes ago, adam said:

   Here is a quote stating that it was "at times".  I just thought it meant that when he was going to watch tape alone, no coach ever told him to watch something specific. Still coaching malpractice, but it seems par for the course with how bad the coaching staff was. 
    

    

   Yes it is malpractice,  old story / new context

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

The story was, he didnt want to play for the Bears

? There definitely was a story that the coaches werent preparing him properly with film study. We are talking about it now.

Waldron and Eberflus were TERRIBLE. And unprofessional. And inept. And in over their heads. Frauds.

[adam]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

? There definitely was a story that the coaches werent preparing him properly with film study. We are talking about it now.

Waldron and Eberflus were TERRIBLE. And unprofessional. And inept. And in over their heads. Frauds.

It is crazy just how bad they were. Flus may be the only head coach to have his DC, OC, and RB Coaches all fired in season, then gets fired in season himself. Williams and Walker left in season in 2023, Waldron and Flus in 2024. In reality Flus should've never been hired, and or fired after every season. He took a 6-win team and somehow made it worse. Then because Fields willed the team to a few extra wins in 2023 he got a 3rd year. Which was again crazy. 

How does a guy like that get one of the top 32 positions for that career field? 

This continually supports the position that what Caleb did last year was even better all things considered. The coaching actually hurt him and was a detriment to his development and performance. I would not be surprised if every other rookie QB drafted last year fails miserably under the same conditions.