Caleb Story...

[BearFan PHX]

27 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I dont see how he was played for Kaleb.  They traded their 2nd,3rd, and 7th for 2 seconds and a 4th to get guys they targeted (Trapilo/Turner).  They felt those two were more important than a RB, at least after He derson was gone. As for Cam, I don't see him becoming much in the NFL, he seemed reckless and he was gone before our 4th round pick.  They could have moved up if they felt that was the only option.  At this point, they put Hyppolite into theor target. 

Cams nfl.com report:

Skattebo earned a lot of admirers for his heroic effort last season for the Sun Devils, especially in a magical stretch run that saw him run, catch, punt and throw his way all over the field. Skattebo is a contact magnet and might not have a long career, but boy, he's a do-it-all fan favorite who can upgrade that backfield. -- Eric Edholm

Maybe youre right re: Kaleb and the draft.

[Stinger226]

9 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I dont see how he was played for Kaleb.  They traded their 2nd,3rd, and 7th for 2 seconds and a 4th to get guys they targeted (Trapilo/Turner).  They felt those two were more important than a RB, at least after He derson was gone. As for Cam, I don't see him becoming much in the NFL, he seemed reckless and he was gone before our 4th round pick.  They could have moved up if they felt that was the only option.  At this point, they put Hyppolite into theor target. 

Cams nfl.com report:

Skattebo earned a lot of admirers for his heroic effort last season for the Sun Devils, especially in a magical stretch run that saw him run, catch, punt and throw his way all over the field. Skattebo is a contact magnet and might not have a long career, but boy, he's a do-it-all fan favorite who can upgrade that backfield. -- Eric Edholm

The Bears had targeted players available to them when they moved around the draft board. They easily could have stayed put and taken some players other people rated higher on the draft board. No one knows what their draft board looked like. I think they got players they wanted . The war room film showed how excited they were to draft  their first 4 draft picks. 
Caleb Johnson went pick 83 and Cam Skattebo went pick 105. They had pick 39-56-62, If they liked them they would have taken them. Swift was the 5th leading rusher the year he played for Philly in the league. 1049 yards- 4.6- 5 TDs and 39 rec. When all the new coaches came in they had plenty of time to go over the roster and figure out what needs they wanted to fill in the draft. Clearly they didnt rate RB as a high priority position, the pundits and fans suggested that.

[AZ54]

On 6/19/2025 at 8:15 PM, BearFan PHX said:

Interesting. I cant really say i know anything about DA's defense other than that it is aggressive and he has presided over several highly ranked defenses. Oh and I know he likes his DEs a little heavier to set the edge so LBers flow. ANd i suppose that if you like bigger DEs, then youre not expecting as much speed rush from those DEs.

Interesting, thank you for that.

Dennis Allen said very clearly at one of his early press conferences that pass rush comes up the middle not the edges.  I know Poles got the message because he ran out and signed Dayo then Grady Jarrett and then drafted a protege for Grady in Shemar Turner.  

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Dennis Allen said very clearly at one of his early press conferences that pass rush comes up the middle not the edges.  I know Poles got the message because he ran out and signed Dayo then Grady Jarrett and then drafted a protege for Grady in Shemar Turner.  

cool! I feel very good about our DT rotation. A killer DE cant hurt, but if its good enough for DA, its good enough for me.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

cool! I feel very good about our DT rotation. A killer DE cant hurt, but if its good enough for DA, its good enough for me.

I think DA wants the DEs to set and contain the edges because the havoc will come from DTs, LBs, and DBs and the QB will try to run. We have seen Sweat do well getting to the QB and holding the edge.  Dayo, might surprise and be similiar.  They will get their Sacks as the QB tries to roll or run away from the inside pressure.  Thats just my speculation.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I think DA wants the DEs to set and contain the edges because the havoc will come from DTs, LBs, and DBs and the QB will try to run. We have seen Sweat do well getting to the QB and holding the edge.  Dayo, might surprise and be similiar.  They will get their Sacks as the QB tries to roll or run away from the inside pressure.  Thats just my speculation.

no thats 100% - I did know he likes larger DEs becasue he asks them to set the edge, and that leaves LBers free

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

no thats 100% - I did know he likes larger DEs becasue he asks them to set the edge, and that leaves LBers free

The nice thing if this system works, it is easier to get those DEs than the Abdul Carters. Not saying teams dont value bigger DEs, but the more explosive quick guys usually get picked earlier. 

I wouldn't be shocked if they draft another LB with speed next year to eventually replace the Edwards/Edmunds in the next year or two. 

[BearFan PHX]

44 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The nice thing if this system works, it is easier to get those DEs than the Abdul Carters. Not saying teams dont value bigger DEs, but the more explosive quick guys usually get picked earlier. 

I wouldn't be shocked if they draft another LB with speed next year to eventually replace the Edwards/Edmunds in the next year or two. 

Yeah, whenever you run a system that's different than the norm, you get players at a discount

[Stinger226]

13 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Dennis Allen said very clearly at one of his early press conferences that pass rush comes up the middle not the edges.  I know Poles got the message because he ran out and signed Dayo then Grady Jarrett and then drafted a protege for Grady in Shemar Turner.  

Im not sure if this is what you refer to but this is a good article and video on the DA defense. We also have to remember he stunts a lot so inside out-outside in, so larger ends gives him the ability to do that. Dayo was signed because he perfectly fits what DA does, whether that proves to be a good get is yet to be seen. Sweat has stunted inside, Turner, Dexter, and Jarrett will be able to stunt outside and be effective. I think this explains why Hyppolite became a valueable pick and I's sure DA was behind that, he stunts LBers a lot. Edmunds has size and 4.54 speed. I see a lot of players already on the team make a better impact under DA. I think Billings will get less snaps under DA. Billings is one of the stongest players in the NFL, he was a power life champion in Texas but because of his mobility and speed will still be a rotation DT but less time on the field.

https://www.marqueesportsnetwork.com/dennis-allen-chicago-bears-defensive-coordinator-ben-johnson/