Camp tidbits

[adam]

15 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Caleb is starting to shine, Burden had two TDs today and Dom Rob is getting a lot of first team reps.

Burden seems to be having a day, which is great to see. We have seen Odunze, DJ, Loveland, and now Burden have big days in camp. That is really promising for the offense.

[AZ54]

Each day the offense is better.   It’s even starting to look good. 
 

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/07/31/bears-training-camp-updates-observations-day-8/85454818007/

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Each day the offense is better.   It’s even starting to look good. 
 

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/07/31/bears-training-camp-updates-observations-day-8/85454818007/

It sounds like Luther Burden is emerging as a playmaker. Two days in a row being the camp highlight.  The Bears going to have so many options.

[Stinger226]

14 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

It sounds like Luther Burden is emerging as a playmaker. Two days in a row being the camp highlight.  The Bears going to have so many options.

When the Bears jumped on the chance to draft him in round 2 when I dont think that was the plan, shows you they thought he was a special player. Now he still has to prove that on the field, but we are seeing signs that will end up being a good pick.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

When the Bears jumped on the chance to draft him in round 2 when I dont think that was the plan, shows you they thought he was a special player. Now he still has to prove that on the field, but we are seeing signs that will end up being a good pick.

I think the best part is this could burn GB, who went WR Matthew Golden.  Who really only had 40 speed going for him.  He might work with Love who likes to toss the ball to locations and hope his guy gets there.  Burden will have more value in time playing slot, x, and maybe some RB.

[adam]

22 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

It sounds like Luther Burden is emerging as a playmaker. Two days in a row being the camp highlight.  The Bears going to have so many options.

McLaurin and now Parsons want to be traded. So nice not to have major issues like this going on.

[Bears4Ever_34]

 

 

Saw this play pop up on social media yesterday, but this angle adds a layer of context that makes the play look even better. I think Jenkins is correct here. It's a designed sprint action throwback towards the opposite sideline. You can see the route the receiver runs is synced up perfectly to Caleb stepping back up into the pocket after fooling the defense with misdirection.

These are the kinds of plays I imagine Ben Johnson is designing specifically for Caleb to take advantage of his mobility. More of this please.

[Stinger226]

Well the (trade for Parsons is back). Pundits and some fans are just getting clicks again. How many times are they going to print the same story again. Not intended to be funny but would Dallas take Kmet and Braxton for Parsons? That would free up money to help pay his new contract. It would free up 13.5 mil against the cap, the problem is Parsons is going to want 35+ mil with a new contract.

Just looked it up, Micah is making 24 mil this year , forget I mentioned that stupid trade. 

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Well the (trade for Parsons is back). Pundits and some fans are just getting clicks again. How many times are they going to print the same story again. Not intended to be funny but would Dallas take Kmet and Braxton for Parsons? That would free up money to help pay his new contract. It would free up 13.5 mil against the cap, the problem is Parsons is going to want 35+ mil with a new contract.

Just looked it up, Micah is making 24 mil this year , forget I mentioned that stupid trade. 

If we could sign Parsons as a free agent, and not pay draft value in trade (hypothetically) and then pay him as the #1 paid DE, we would do it in a heartbeat.

The question here is the trade value.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

If we could sign Parsons as a free agent, and not pay draft value in trade (hypothetically) and then pay him as the #1 paid DE, we would do it in a heartbeat.

The question here is the trade value.

Yeah - he’ll never hit free agency with franchise tag etc but my problem is the combination of draft capital combined with cap space. If it was purely cap space cause you are getting him as a UFA - back up the truck and pay the man. 

[BearFan PHX]

55 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Yeah - he’ll never hit free agency with franchise tag etc but my problem is the combination of draft capital combined with cap space. If it was purely cap space cause you are getting him as a UFA - back up the truck and pay the man. 

right. thats what im saying. Ofcourse he would never be a free agent, but i was just saying thing to make the point that it isnt the cap space thats the problem, its the trade value i think will prevent us from getting him.

Like if they want 2 firsts, a second and Montez Sweat - Im feeling like that second first rounder is too steep. but if we could interest them in a player or two to get some draft capital out of the deal, then it becomes interesting.

Thats why i was throwing out trading guys like Jaylon Johnson - hes a big stud (or so it's currently thought) he gets the new deal he wants. I mean i really like JJ as a player. But if hes gonna be the top payed CB in the league, Id rather be paying a top edge rusher like Parsons or Hendrickson.

Especially when we have so much depth in the DB room. Is someone ready to be a real #1 if we lose JJ - well were getting a good look at them in camp with JJ out, and you can bet Ryan Poles is thinking the same thing "can someone in this group replace JJ eventually?" and "all DBs look better with a good pass rush in front of them"

Dont forget, next year you can look at Edmunds cap $ too. There is definitely opportunity to move cap money around in the defense.

But Im not paying two firsts, a second and a player. That seems too high. But it's probably the price, and we will probably not make that deal.

This is just what the numbers say to me.

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

right. thats what im saying. Ofcourse he would never be a free agent, but i was just saying thing to make the point that it isnt the cap space thats the problem, its the trade value i think will prevent us from getting him.

Like if they want 2 firsts, a second and Montez Sweat - Im feeling like that second first rounder is too steep. but if we could interest them in a player or two to get some draft capital out of the deal, then it becomes interesting.

Thats why i was throwing out trading guys like Jaylon Johnson - hes a big stud (or so it's currently thought) he gets the new deal he wants. I mean i really like JJ as a player. But if hes gonna be the top payed CB in the league, Id rather be paying a top edge rusher like Parsons or Hendrickson.

Especially when we have so much depth in the DB room. Is someone ready to be a real #1 if we lose JJ - well were getting a good look at them in camp with JJ out, and you can bet Ryan Poles is thinking the same thing "can someone in this group replace JJ eventually?" and "all DBs look better with a good pass rush in front of them"

Dont forget, next year you can look at Edmunds cap $ too. There is definitely opportunity to move cap money around in the defense.

But Im not paying two firsts, a second and a player. That seems too high. But it's probably the price, and we will probably not make that deal.

This is just what the numbers say to me.

So in conclusion this is just FF and this trade would never happen.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

So in conclusion this is just FF and this trade would never happen.

depending on how stuck Dallas is. If Parsons is going to hold out Dallas doesnt want all the cap space going to waste.

This HAS happened before you know. I mean, if you watch the NFL at all?

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

depending on how stuck Dallas is. If Parsons is going to hold out Dallas doesnt want all the cap space going to waste.

This HAS happened before you know. I mean, if you watch the NFL at all?

Dallas holds all the cards,  remember Myles Garrett said he would never play another snap again in Cleveland. Then they gave him his money and everyone got happy all of a sudden.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Dallas holds all the cards,  remember Myles Garrett said he would never play another snap again in Cleveland. Then they gave him his money and everyone got happy all of a sudden.

for sure. but if he is available, and we can get him, we should.

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

for sure. but if he is available, and we can get him, we should.

There is a 1 in 34,000,000.00 chance I could win the lottery, but I would be safe to say that isnt going to happenl.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

There is a 1 in 34,000,000.00 chance I could win the lottery, but I would be safe to say that isnt going to happenl.

the odds of the Bears getting Parsons are considerably more likely that winning the lottery.

I have said that it probably wont happen because of the trade value needed. But I also think the contract length and cap space would be FINE.

Youre just muddling it all together and saying it wont happen - and youre probably right, but NOT because of synced contracts or cap space - thats where youre wrong.

And when you say he doesnt fit the scheme, thats just insanity. Micah Parsons fits EVERY scheme. Every team in the league would take him if they could afford him.

When you say we already have Dayo, so we dont need Parsons thats where youre absolutely smoking crack.

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

the odds of the Bears getting Parsons are considerably more likely that winning the lottery.

I have said that it probably wont happen because of the trade value needed. But I also think the contract length and cap space would be FINE.

Youre just muddling it all together and saying it wont happen - and youre probably right, but NOT because of synced contracts or cap space - thats where youre wrong.

And when you say he doesnt fit the scheme, thats just insanity. Micah Parsons fits EVERY scheme. Every team in the league would take him if they could afford him.

When you say we already have Dayo, so we dont need Parsons thats where youre absolutely smoking crack.

Okay explain it to me how his 24 mil salary fits our cap space of 13 mil we have this yr? Teams normally keep 8 to 10 mil for operating cost over the season. 41+mil; next year puts our cap underwater for 50 mil. So now we have to start cutting assets to make room for a high end pass rusher. Kmet, Edmunds and Swift only gives us 30 mil. Plus we need to add the draft budget and operation capital for next yr. So at this  point we are still 35 mil in the hole.

You got me on that one, the contract and Cap doesnt matter. 

Dayo is  on the team and has guarranteed money, I never said we shouldnt trade for him because we have Dayo, you are back to putting words in my mouth again. It doesnt take you long to get back into making crap up to prove a stupid point that you actually said we are not going to do.

[BearFan PHX]

15 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Okay explain it to me how his 24 mil salary fits our cap space of 13 mil we have this yr? Teams normally keep 8 to 10 mil for operating cost over the season. 41+mil; next year puts our cap underwater for 50 mil. So now we have to start cutting assets to make room for a high end pass rusher. Kmet, Edmunds and Swift only gives us 30 mil. Plus we need to add the draft budget and operation capital for next yr. So at this  point we are still 35 mil in the hole.

You got me on that one, the contract and Cap doesnt matter. 

Dayo is  on the team and has guarranteed money, I never said we shouldnt trade for him because we have Dayo, you are back to putting words in my mouth again. It doesnt take you long to get back into making crap up to prove a stupid point that you actually said we are not going to do.

OK. Teams are able to restructure contracts to push money into the future. For almost any team, there is cap space available that you can create.

You make the deal 5 years long, and guarantee a big chunk of it, then you get to pay that off the cap 20% across each year. Next year there is a lot of cap space available as you look at players like Edmunds, Jaylon Johnson, Cole Kmet, even DJ Moore. Im not saying you have to trade or cut those guys either. You can restructure their deals as well. Or you can do what most successful terams do and identify a couple core vets on your squad and move on the others in trades.

If the question is whether a rookie next year can take Kmet's place, or Edmunds etc vs how big an upgrade Parsons would be, I think Parsons is the easy answer. If you wouldnt trade Kmet and Edmunds for Parsons then you're insane.

That doesnt mean Kmet and Edmunds arent good - I just think you fail to understand that QB and Edge Rusher are the two things that make championship teams. Look how the Eagles' pass rush destroyed Mahomes.

The QB is the thing you NEED, and if an edge player has that QB on his ass, then you dont have a QB, see?

Anyway, for the right player, teams can make cap room. If Parsons was a free agent, we would sign him in an instant, and be in the 6 teams or so in superbowl contention.

[Stinger226]

14 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

OK. Teams are able to restructure contracts to push money into the future. For almost any team, there is cap space available that you can create.

You make the deal 5 years long, and guarantee a big chunk of it, then you get to pay that off the cap 20% across each year. Next year there is a lot of cap space available as you look at players like Edmunds, Jaylon Johnson, Cole Kmet, even DJ Moore. Im not saying you have to trade or cut those guys either. You can restructure their deals as well. Or you can do what most successful terams do and identify a couple core vets on your squad and move on the others in trades.

If the question is whether a rookie next year can take Kmet's place, or Edmunds etc vs how big an upgrade Parsons would be, I think Parsons is the easy answer. If you wouldnt trade Kmet and Edmunds for Parsons then you're insane.

That doesnt mean Kmet and Edmunds arent good - I just think you fail to understand that QB and Edge Rusher are the two things that make championship teams. Look how the Eagles' pass rush destroyed Mahomes.

The QB is the thing you NEED, and if an edge player has that QB on his ass, then you dont have a QB, see?

Anyway, for the right player, teams can make cap room. If Parsons was a free agent, we would sign him in an instant, and be in the 6 teams or so in superbowl contention.

Enough with trying to get people to agree with you, 100 dollars will put your money where your mouth is and we can settle this the adult way. With a bet

[BearFan PHX]

27 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Enough with trying to get people to agree with you, 100 dollars will put your money where your mouth is and we can settle this the adult way. With a bet

you are SUCH a moron. I am NOT saying the trade is going happen, Im arguing with you about WHY its not going to happen. Read that again so you get it now the 4th or 5th time Ive said it.

1) the trade value will be too high - we agree - so the trade will not happen. Right.

2) cap space - youre wrong, treams can create it for special circumstances by redoing other deals, we've all seen it before in the NFL, maybe you didnt understand it

3) sync'ed contracts - dont even know what youre talking about - its better to have contracts spaced apart so they dont all come due at once. i think youre misunderstanding the thing about HC and GM being sync'ed with players contracts. If anything you want your big defender while Caleb is still a rookie

4) not a scheme fit - this is the most typical of your blatant misunderstanding of football and how you get your information from sportswriters. You think there is a scheme that adding Micah Parsons wouldnt be a good thing?

your arguments, 2, 3 & 4 are dumb. You dont like that i disagreed with you and now youre having an emotional reaction again. I cant help it that you say dumb things that get pushed back on. If you want all your opinions to be held in high regard, then say smart things.

Or... maybe youre listening to the wrong sportswriters and are getting frustrated when you try to bring their narratives here and they dont work.

Also, to your idea that Im "trying to get people to agree with me" - no. I was being nice and answering your question. You asked how they could find cap room so i told you.