Week 6 Official Game Thread - CHI @ WAS, MNF, Oct 13, 8:15PM CDT, ABC, CHI +4.5

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Didn't even pay attention to this, but the blocked FG should've been a WAS penalty.

One-second rule: This protection lasts for the first one second after the ball is snapped. Payne immediately uses Daly's back for leverage. He was not protected for one second.

good catch. Im not one for conspiracy theories, but the refs were brutal on us last night.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Didn't even pay attention to this, but the blocked FG should've been a WAS penalty.

One-second rule: This protection lasts for the first one second after the ball is snapped. Payne immediately uses Daly's back for leverage. He was not protected for one second.

I've seen the leverage rule, but don't believe there is a one second rule for protecting the center.  If Payne did not gain height, it is not eligible for leverage to be called.

[AZ54]

15 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Up until that final Daniels turnover, I thought he was. Caleb's accuracy and decision making was all over the place. He's lucky he wasn't picked a couple times in the redzone. I think almost all of the close ones were plays that involved Rome: the 4th down, the deep ball into double coverage, and the late slant in the endzone. There were at least a few others that were just straight up misses to open guys. It wasn't pretty for him, regardless of whether or not he got screwed on that other TD.

That said, once Daniels fumbled that ball on the most critical play of the game, I think he brought himself down closer even with Caleb, perhaps even slightly worse.

Regardless, they were somehow able to get a win by beating two teams today. This never happens. I'm feeling a whole hell of a lot better now. The Bears had to prove to me they could win a game like this. I give them and Caleb a lot of credit for their resilience. 

That’s where I’m at. Not a great game for either QB. I still like Caleb’s higher potential.  Last year the pressure of playing back home affected Caleb.  He rallied at the end.   I was curious how he would handle returning to the scene of the crime.  He was much better but still left a lot of plays on the field.  Only five games into the Ben Johnson era and I like the direction Caleb is headed.  I’m waiting for that game where he puts it all together.  
 

Who had the Bears winning three in a row after the loss to Detroit?   Not mentioned anywhere is how satisfying this win had to be for our HC who lost to Wash in the playoffs 45 to 31.  Not only that Wash is again expected to contend for the NFC championship.  

[Mongo3451]

Last night wasn't a perfect game, but it has me feeling it was the perfect win for the moment.  A prime time victory on the road, Williams over Daniels, our D stopped their #1 ranked rushing attack, we ran the ball, came from behind, have the tie breaker and exercised the demons of the fail Mary.  Great win!

[adam]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I've seen the leverage rule, but don't believe there is a one second rule for protecting the center.  If Payne did not gain height, it is not eligible for leverage to be called.

The rule states: "It is illegal to make contact with the long snapper while their head is down immediately following the snap. Contact can occur after the snap is complete and the snapper has lifted their head."

If you see the screengrab, he just released the ball and hasn't had a chance to even move his helmet and Payne is already on his back. 

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

good catch. Im not one for conspiracy theories, but the refs were brutal on us last night.

It actually happened on the GW Kick too. 

[adam]

At 3-2, here is where they stand on offense and defense, it looks like without the turnovers, this team is probably 1-4. The defense needs to improve quickly:

Offense - 10th PPG, 14th YPG, 15th YPP, 7th 3D%, 9th Sacks
Defense - 27th PPG, 27th YPG, 32nd YPP, 2nd INT, 27th Sacks

[Mongo3451]

12 minutes ago, adam said:

The rule states: "It is illegal to make contact with the long snapper while their head is down immediately following the snap. Contact can occur after the snap is complete and the snapper has lifted their head."

If you see the screengrab, he just released the ball and hasn't had a chance to even move his helmet and Payne is already on his back. 

It actually happened on the GW Kick too. 

I watched the replay several times and it looked like he shot the gap, which is legal.  It's pretty gray area that I don't fully understand.  I'm gonna dig into it.  Here it is.

In the NFL, a long snapper is considered a "defenseless player" during field goals and extra points and cannot be contacted in the head or neck area while his head is down. The defensive team also has specific formation restrictions to protect the snapper. However, unlike college football, the NFL does not provide a mandatory time delay before the long snapper can be engaged. 

Edited yesterday at 10:11 PM by Mongo3451
Rules clarification

[Stinger226]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YF3nhRgEHOA?si=o_c8d3WPuaCtuEU3

[adam]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I watched the replay several times and it looked like he shot the gap, which is legal.  It's pretty gray area that I don't fully understand.  I'm gonna dig into it.  Here it is.

In the NFL, a long snapper is considered a "defenseless player" during field goals and extra points and cannot be contacted in the head or neck area while his head is down. The defensive team also has specific formation restrictions to protect the snapper. However, unlike college football, the NFL does not provide a mandatory time delay before the long snapper can be engaged. 

Yeah, it was called in another game, I am looking for the game. Literally the same exact situation, yet the defense was called with a penalty just by touching the LS before his head came up.

Found it:

Penalty on Miami, DL went in the gap between the LS and OG, but because his head was still down, it was a penalty. 

(9:30) C.Dicker 58 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-R.Lovato, Holder-J.Scott. PENALTY on MIA-M.Butler, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIA 40 - No Play.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/YF3nhRgEHOA?si=o_c8d3WPuaCtuEU3

Who could not be inspired!?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Not sure if this was noted, but DJ Moore did not travel home with the team.  He spent the night in DC at the hospital.  He was injured in the 1st half, played the rest of the game, and decided to get medical attention.   That makes sense why he looked out of it on the sideline. 

Looks like it was a groin injury or testicular torsion.  Hopefully a quick recovery or something that he can play through.

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Not sure if this was noted, but DJ Moore did not travel home with the team.  He spent the night in DC at the hospital.  He was injured in the 1st half, played the rest of the game, and decided to get medical attention.   That makes sense why he looked out of it on the sideline. 

Looks like it was a groin injury or testicular torsion.  Hopefully a quick recovery or something that he can play through.

I thought it was a kidney, or lower back / side issue, but I dont know for sure. Thats just what it looked like after he got hit to me.

EDIT: Heard Ben Johnson speak about it - and it is in fact a groin ASHKUM you were right.

[Stinger226]

10 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Not sure if this was noted, but DJ Moore did not travel home with the team.  He spent the night in DC at the hospital.  He was injured in the 1st half, played the rest of the game, and decided to get medical attention.   That makes sense why he looked out of it on the sideline. 

Looks like it was a groin injury or testicular torsion.  Hopefully a quick recovery or something that he can play through.

Mongo would know more but a hospital stay for a groin injury seems odd. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Mongo would know more but a hospital stay for a groin injury seems odd. 

The speculation is torsion.  Id go get the checked out too. 

Grok:  Testicular torsion is a serious condition involving twisted blood flow to the testicle, causing severe pain and potentially requiring emergency surgery to avoid tissue damage or loss. However, official updates on DJ Moore describe his injury as a day-to-day groin issue, with no mention of torsion.

[Mongo3451]

27 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The speculation is torsion.  Id go get the checked out too. 

Grok:  Testicular torsion is a serious condition involving twisted blood flow to the testicle, causing severe pain and potentially requiring emergency surgery to avoid tissue damage or loss. However, official updates on DJ Moore describe his injury as a day-to-day groin issue, with no mention of torsion.

My buddy had a testicle hit up into his pelvic cavity.  They had to pop it out through his colon...🤯

[AZ54]

My son had the emergency surgery for torsion.  The intense pain is real and so is the risk.     When Reporter asked why a groin injury would need  hospitalization Ben just said it was personal in nature.   Immediately the torsion possibility came to mind.   Once again kudos to the Bears for doing the right thing and making sure DJ was alright.  Kudos to my son for giving me two awesome grandkids.  

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

My buddy had a testicle hit up into his pelvic cavity.  They had to pop it out through his colon...🤯

OUCH

[adam]

Moore is a baller if he played through that. 😁

[BearFan PHX]

45 minutes ago, adam said:

Moore is a baller if he played through that. 😁

so to speak LOL

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Moore is a baller if he played through that. 😁

He went balls out for sure