Draft Prospects

[Mongo3451]

14 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

This is a very realistic draft. I think Dayo plays more snaps inside next year and would go 2 DEs instead of 2 DTs. I suspect they get someone that can play both spots to be able to move around pieces. 

Dayo may not be ready to contribute.  Coming off an achilles rupture, he may never be explosive again.  I would also argue against move around pieces.  We need positional dogs to create a pass rush.

[Mongo3451]

14 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

This is a very realistic draft. I think Dayo plays more snaps inside next year and would go 2 DEs instead of 2 DTs. I suspect they get someone that can play both spots to be able to move around pieces. 

Dayo may not be ready to contribute.  Coming off an achilles rupture, he may never be explosive again.  I would also argue against move around pieces.  We need positional dogs to create a pass rush.

[Mongo3451]

14 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

This is a very realistic draft. I think Dayo plays more snaps inside next year and would go 2 DEs instead of 2 DTs. I suspect they get someone that can play both spots to be able to move around pieces. 

Dayo may not be ready to contribute.  Coming off an achilles rupture, he may never be explosive again.  I would also argue against move around pieces.  We need positional dogs to create a pass rush.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Dayo may not be ready to contribute.  Coming off an achilles rupture, he may never be explosive again.  I would also argue against move around pieces.  We need positional dogs to create a pass rush.

And no one was ever scared of Dayo. We need a difference maker, or several on the D line. It's the glaring need for this team. Imagine us doing all the things we do AND having a pass rush. Then we'd be serious contenders who would be favorited in most games.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

54 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

And no one was ever scared of Dayo. We need a difference maker, or several on the D line. It's the glaring need for this team. Imagine us doing all the things we do AND having a pass rush. Then we'd be serious contenders who would be favorited in most games.

The sad part is that was supposed to be Montez Sweat. Does he need stud DTs to wreck the inside or does he need replaced? 

[BearFan PHX]

44 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The sad part is that was supposed to be Montez Sweat. Does he need stud DTs to wreck the inside or does he need replaced? 

both probably.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

21 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

both probably.

Montez stepped up a little with 9.5 sacks, but damn Garrrett with 22.

Falcons rookie Jame Pierce with 8.5

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The sad part is that was supposed to be Montez Sweat. Does he need stud DTs to wreck the inside or does he need replaced? 

People like to talk about getting this stud and that stud edge but you have to look at contracts. Reality check is find one we can fit in our Cap and someone other teams may trade for? Jarrett, Dayo aren't productive enough to trade and have big contracts. Trey Hendrixson is a free agent next year, find 35 mil a year to give to him. Sweat is our best edge that will have over 10 sacks on the year. He's not top tier but getting rid of him doesn't make us better.

Our DL help will be coming in the draft.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

People like to talk about getting this stud and that stud edge but you have to look at contracts. Reality check is find one we can fit in our Cap and someone other teams may trade for? Jarrett, Dayo aren't productive enough to trade and have big contracts. Trey Hendrixson is a free agent next year, find 35 mil a year to give to him. Sweat is our best edge that will have over 10 sacks on the year. He's not top tier but getting rid of him doesn't make us better.

Our DL help will be coming in the draft.

Just like Sherman Turner helped us this year.  Hate to shatter any hope, but a beloved will get moved to make room for real help. The Bears have a window and a 25th-32nd pick is not going to help. Id Trade DJ, our 1st and a 2027 1st or 2nd for Myles Garrett. Then cut whoever you need to for the cap

[Stinger226]

If we are competitive and winning as construed and will definitely be better with Caleb's progress, why would they tear down assets to add to needed pass rusher that will eat assets? I don't think they will look at it as you suggested.

Now defensive assets is a different story. With the emergence of D Jackson  I could see Edmunds leaving by a trade that frees up 15 mil or even J J because of what's behind him. 

I still don't think a strapped cap team is trading for big salaries if they trade their best player because of Garrett money. 

Turner got hurt just like Jarrett that is now healthy and playing better. 

You can't plan injuries, any player they trade for could get hurt. Dayo and Jarrett both were hurt this year.

I see it more likely to go after Trey Hendrickson and try to fit his money into our Cap than trading assets to get a high level player. 

Example ' trade Edmunds ( if even possible) probably getting you a third round pick, JJ ( even less likely) getting you a second round pick) re-sign Jackson and Wright and hope the money saved will put us in better position to get Hendrickson or whoever. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

If we are competitive and winning as construed and will definitely be better with Caleb's progress, why would they tear down assets to add to needed pass rusher that will eat assets? I don't think they will look at it as you suggested.

Now defensive assets is a different story. With the emergence of D Jackson  I could see Edmunds leaving by a trade that frees up 15 mil or even J J because of what's behind him. 

I still don't think a strapped cap team is trading for big salaries if they trade their best player because of Garrett money. 

Turner got hurt just like Jarrett that is now healthy and playing better. 

You can't plan injuries, any player they trade for could get hurt. Dayo and Jarrett both were hurt this year.

I see it more likely to go after Trey Hendrickson and try to fit his money into our Cap than trading assets to get a high level player. 

Example ' trade Edmunds ( if even possible) probably getting you a third round pick, JJ ( even less likely) getting you a second round pick) re-sign Jackson and Wright and hope the money saved will put us in better position to get Hendrickson or whoever. 

Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Micah Parson are 3 players that alone force opponents to plan against since they can change games.  I would part with DJ and our next 2 firsts in a heart beat to have any of those 3.  Luther Burden can step into that roll, Jahyde Walker can jump a spot and so on.  They can make a few cuts like Edmunds to make cap room.  It hurts losing a player like DJ but the fan base would forget fast knowing Garrett/Crosby are wearing the blue now orange.

[BearFan PHX]

11 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Micah Parson are 3 players that alone force opponents to plan against since they can change games.  I would part with DJ and our next 2 firsts in a heart beat to have any of those 3.  Luther Burden can step into that roll, Jahyde Walker can jump a spot and so on.  They can make a few cuts like Edmunds to make cap room.  It hurts losing a player like DJ but the fan base would forget fast knowing Garrett/Crosby are wearing the blue now orange.

Right. Some ask why we would ever trade away good players, and of course the reason is to get other good players at positions of need.