Comparing QBs closest to Williams in 2024-2025:

Herbert 672-1016, 66.1%, 7597 yds, 49 TD, 16 INT, 804 Rush Yards, Years 5-6 (within 114 passing yards, 2 TD)

Mahomes 707-1083, 65.3%, 7515 yds, 48 TD, 22 INT, 729 Rush Yards, Years 8-9 (within 32 passing yards, 1 TD)

Williams 681-1130, 60.3%, 7483 yds, 47 TD, 13 INT, 877 Rush Yards, Years 1-2

Allen 626-943, 66.4%, 7399 yds, 53 TD, 16 INT, 1110 Rush Yards, Years 7-8 (within 6 TD)

The biggest difference is that Williams was a rookie in 2024 with Flus as HC. Considering that, his being already in the mix with this group of QBs is a great sign. Mahomes and Allen are annual MVP Candidates, and Herbert has started to be put in that conversation.

I honestly think Williams starts becoming a perennial 4K / 30 TD QB.

I think those numbers will be his baseline from here on out. He would have had that if you eliminated drops, penalties, or miscommunication. We might have a top 5 this year and top 2 next as he and BJ learn.

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I think those numbers will be his baseline from here on out. He would have had that if you eliminated drops, penalties, or miscommunication. We might have a top 5 this year and top 2 next as he and BJ learn.

Which is crazy to think about.

Kramer was the last Bears QB to finish in the top 10 in Passing Yards (1995) since Caleb who finished 7th last year. He was 106 yards away from already being in the top 5.

A funny fact is Rex Grossman finished 12th one year, which was higher than Cutler did in any season he played for the Bears (13th twice).

1 hour ago, adam said:

Which is crazy to think about.

Kramer was the last Bears QB to finish in the top 10 in Passing Yards (1995) since Caleb who finished 7th last year. He was 106 yards away from already being in the top 5.

A funny fact is Rex Grossman finished 12th one year, which was higher than Cutler did in any season he played for the Bears (13th twice).

Shows you how bad our evaluators were over 40 years. Coach, QB and Oline is what it takes.

So Mark Schlereth is making the rounds about how Caleb is a bad QB lol. That his superman plays are what saves him from being a bad QB. I think this is absolutely laughable. He just finished his 2nd year in the NFL, had a terrible coaching staff his rookie year, was getting sacked a ton, etc. Does he need to improve, for sure, but it's literally 3-4 total throws a game and he is magically an all-pro.

There is no way he could put up stats like in the first post if he was "bad" or even mediocre. Just funny how some media guys that have some personal beef with him will go down with the ship instead of just admitting they were wrong.

1 hour ago, adam said:

So Mark Schlereth is making the rounds about how Caleb is a bad QB lol. That his superman plays are what saves him from being a bad QB. I think this is absolutely laughable. He just finished his 2nd year in the NFL, had a terrible coaching staff his rookie year, was getting sacked a ton, etc. Does he need to improve, for sure, but it's literally 3-4 total throws a game and he is magically an all-pro.

There is no way he could put up stats like in the first post if he was "bad" or even mediocre. Just funny how some media guys that have some personal beef with him will go down with the ship instead of just admitting they were wrong.

Schlereth will be exposed as an idiot when Caleb is in the running for league MVP for 2026.

Caleb has been quoted as saying that criticism doesn't bother him and that he uses it as motivation.

If that is true, with all of the jerks questioning his ability, Caleb should be well motivated.

It wasn’t just the criticism of things Caleb needs to improve. It was the list of QBs in his draft class that Schlereth said are already playing at that high level. Which is complete BS. I watched Bo Nix and he’s not always seeing the field well. He’s quicker to run than Caleb. It’s more of the same with all the QBs in the draft class. He just singled out Caleb.

When I first read what Schlereth said, I thought "what an idiot" - everyone here knows what a Caleb supporter I am. I think we are looking at an actual star in the making.

But then I heard what he meant by the comment, and I have to say I agree with him. Caleb does need to play small ball better, and I expect he will this year. Johnson isnt force feeding the offense and concentrating on footwork now. He will be there focused on exactly this goal. Id bet heavily that it will happen.

Now Kyler Murray? No. Thats idiotic.

But Caleb, who already excels at the hardest and rarest skills, will now develop the ordinary things that lots of QBs can learn. No reason to think he wont, and when he does he will truly be a top QB, maybe the best.

And Schlereth said that too, but it doesnt get repeated as much, because of narratives.

And Im no Schlereth supporter either. I dont particularly pay attention to him positively or negatively.

But this whole hullabaloo is kind of fake. But Kyler Murray? Ha no that was idiotic.

15 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

When I first read what Schlereth said, I thought "what an idiot" - everyone here knows what a Caleb supporter I am. I think we are looking at an actual star in the making.

But then I heard what he meant by the comment, and I have to say I agree with him. Caleb does need to play small ball better, and I expect he will this year. Johnson isnt force feeding the offense and concentrating on footwork now. He will be there focused on exactly this goal. Id bet heavily that it will happen.

Now Kyler Murray? No. Thats idiotic.

But Caleb, who already excels at the hardest and rarest skills, will now develop the ordinary things that lots of QBs can learn. No reason to think he wont, and when he does he will truly be a top QB, maybe the best.

And Schlereth said that too, but it doesnt get repeated as much, because of narratives.

And Im no Schlereth supporter either. I dont particularly pay attention to him positively or negatively.

But this whole hullabaloo is kind of fake. But Kyler Murray? Ha no that was idiotic.

If Caleb gets his Comp% over 65%, that wouldn't just make him above average, that would make him arguably the best QB in the league. He already is in the top 10 in basically every other major stat (7th in Pass Yds, 6th in Pass TDs, 1st in INTs) which doesn't even include the heroics. Stafford won the MVP and AP and had the 17th highest Comp%. I really feel like people are splitting hairs on this. Does he need to improve his accuracy, absolutely, but he is not THAT bad.

Remember sacks and TTT were the big issues his rookie year. He was holding onto the ball too much and taking too many sacks. He went from historically bad to historically good in one offseason. I bet his Comp% will do the same.

Caleb gave us some easy math because he attempts 33 passes a game. So to increase his Comp% by 3%, all he would need to do is complete one extra pass per game. So to get him to 64%, that is one extra completion per half. If they want him to hit his goal of 70%, that is just under 4 extra completions per game or 2 per half.

Caleb led the league with 40 throwaways, just say he cuts that down by 10 by either running or by completing a pass. Now say the receivers don't drop the 3rd most in the NFL, and that gets cut down by 10 for the season. We are now down to 2.5 completions per game or 1.25 per half.

So 1.25 extra completions magically turns him into the best QB in the league?

Also, on a side note, did everyone forget some of the weather games the Bears played in? Holy crap, the PHI game was ridiculous, then there seemed to be several extreme cold games the Bears had to play in. Not to make excuses, but the weather is a huge factor in the passing game, so the more crappy games, the worse your stats will be:
https://medium.com/data-science/football-weather-diving-into-the-effects-of-weather-on-nfl-qb-performance-f0edb420623d