Connorbear Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-08...,1115756.column Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Actually a very good article. Back when Kyle was a rookie he certainly didn't disappoint us with team's success with him at QB. One would think he is far better prepared this time around to lead the team. I hope he does well. I like Rex and he worked his butt off to try and win the starting position, but Kyle worked hard also and deserves his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Actually a very good article. Back when Kyle was a rookie he certainly didn't disappoint us with team's success with him at QB. One would think he is far better prepared this time around to lead the team. I hope he does well. I like Rex and he worked his butt off to try and win the starting position, but Kyle worked hard also and deserves his chance. That is a good article. I used to like Pompeii when he was the draft specialist w/ SportingNews, years ago. It may not be equal to if Bushbaum raved about Orton, but that he was so high on him in the draft is telling to me. Another thing that has to raise an eyebrow, at least for me. I didn't realize our former QB JT O'Sullivan was about to win the starting job in SF. Sorry, but that is irritating. We are so desperate to find a starter, and another team finds one in our cast off. He may not be great, and maybe he is winning more due to Alex Smith, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 in fairness jt isnt just off our scrapheap add saints packers lions and vikings scrapheaps too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Another thing that has to raise an eyebrow, at least for me. I didn't realize our former QB JT O'Sullivan was about to win the starting job in SF. Sorry, but that is irritating. We are so desperate to find a starter, and another team finds one in our cast off. He may not be great, and maybe he is winning more due to Alex Smith, but still. This is freakin' BS!!! That's our staff's problem. We can never develop ANYONE on offense; especially at QB. Rex can make all of the throws and has a world of potential. But, for some reason he cannot put it all together. Kyle was a very good, efficient QB in college and even pulled off some wins as a rookie. But, it doesn't look like he's progressed at all since then. That's coaching; or a lack thereof. JT O'Sullivan goes to SF and is now effective? We couldn't get anything out of him and we have these two guys battling it out? Gimme a break. Why can't we just draft a young kid and develop him to be the starter like everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Maybe all of the Bears' failures at QB development will change now that Kyle is in there. The kid didn't look that bad as a rookie, and I have wondered why he hasn't been given the nod over Rex. Now we'll get to see what he can do with the starting reigns, and the hesitant approval of the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprout Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't know how effective O'Sullivan will be. He has been cast off from a ton of team's. He's only getting an opporunity because Alex Smih has been terrible. The 49ers are one of the few teams that I think are in a worse situation than us at QB. This is freakin' BS!!! That's our staff's problem. We can never develop ANYONE on offense; especially at QB. Rex can make all of the throws and has a world of potential. But, for some reason he cannot put it all together. Kyle was a very good, efficient QB in college and even pulled off some wins as a rookie. But, it doesn't look like he's progressed at all since then. That's coaching; or a lack thereof. JT O'Sullivan goes to SF and is now effective? We couldn't get anything out of him and we have these two guys battling it out? Gimme a break. Why can't we just draft a young kid and develop him to be the starter like everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't know how effective O'Sullivan will be. He has been cast off from a ton of team's. He's only getting an opporunity because Alex Smih has been terrible. The 49ers are one of the few teams that I think are in a worse situation than us at QB. Maybe, yet at the same time, he is showing something, and his numbers the other day appear better than our QBs. Is their offense that much better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bears 88 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Maybe all of the Bears' failures at QB development will change now that Kyle is in there. The kid didn't look that bad as a rookie, and I have wondered why he hasn't been given the nod over Rex. Now we'll get to see what he can do with the starting reigns, and the hesitant approval of the coaches. Yes, Orton is the saviour . Hooray for another mediocre QB. I can see you've been drinking a big glass of Orton kool aid. Both guys have thrown more INT's than TD's. So, i see nothing to get excited about. But, keep drinking that delicious kool aid of another mediocre QB. I may have to stick you on ignore after i read your constant drooling for Orton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 But, keep drinking that delicious kool aid of another mediocre QB. At least you are finally accepting that Rex was a mediocre QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 You're worried about losing JT O'Sullivan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 That is a good article. I used to like Pompeii when he was the draft specialist w/ SportingNews, years ago. It may not be equal to if Bushbaum raved about Orton, but that he was so high on him in the draft is telling to me. Another thing that has to raise an eyebrow, at least for me. I didn't realize our former QB JT O'Sullivan was about to win the starting job in SF. Sorry, but that is irritating. We are so desperate to find a starter, and another team finds one in our cast off. He may not be great, and maybe he is winning more due to Alex Smith, but still. JT O'Sullivan has bounced around on 4 to 5 teams. The only reason we cut him is because we had Rex, Kyle, and Brian. Where would he fit in there? Further, he hasn't won anything in SF yet and so what if he does. They suck. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brletich Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 JT O'Sullivan has bounced around on 4 to 5 teams. The only reason we cut him is because we had Rex, Kyle, and Brian. Where would he fit in there? Further, he hasn't won anything in SF yet and so what if he does. They suck. Peace I might be wrong, but JT was signed off our practice squad by the Packers...he wasn't cut... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 thats what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I might be wrong, but JT was signed off our practice squad by the Packers...he wasn't cut... Here is a run down on his travels. I think he may hold a record for the number of different practice squads he has been on. Originally a sixth round (186th pick overall) draft choice by New Orleans in 2002…Was the first of two sixth-round selections by Saints…Waived by New Orleans on September 16, 2003…Traded by New Orleans to Green Bay on October 4, 2004 along with a 2005 second-round draft choice in exchange for CB Mike McKenzie and a conditional 2006 Green Bay draft choice…Waived by Green Bay on September 4, 2005…Signed by Chicago to the practice squad on September 5, 2005…Signed by Minnesota to 53-man roster from Chicago's practice squad on November 8, 2005…Waived by Minnesota on September 2, 2006…Signed by New England to the practice squad on September 5, 2006…Waived by New England on October 2, 2006…Signed by Carolina to the practice squad on December 27, 2006…Signed by Chicago on February 7, 2007…Waived by Chicago on July 6, 2007…Signed by Detroit on July 13, 2007…Signed by San Francisco as an unrestricted free agent from Detroit on February 29, 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Don't forget 2 seasons in Frankfurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I might be wrong, but JT was signed off our practice squad by the Packers...he wasn't cut... An article the other day said we let him go, at his request, so he could find a spot w/ another team where he would have a better chance to make the 53 man roster, as it didn't appear he would get that opportunity w/ us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Don't forget 2 seasons in Frankfurt Wasn't he a beast over in NFL Europe? I remember reading your updates from over there and really wanting to see him play in the preseason. I never got to though because of all the other QB's here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Here's an article from March of this year, a little of San Fran signed him. Martz had seen enough of him in Detroit to think he is starter quality. http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/782007.html O'Sullivan may be nice surprise for 49ers By Matthew Barrows - mbarrows@sacbee.com Last Updated 5:50 am PDT Thursday, March 13, 2008 Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C7 Print | E-Mail | Comments (13) | | Quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan (4), above with the Frankfurt Galaxy, has impressed 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz for years. Michael Probst / Associated Press Click on photo to enlarge SANTA CLARA – J.T. O'Sullivan's NFL Europe experience was like that of most quarterbacks who have played in the league: No blocking. No pocket. No time to throw. Plenty of bumps and bruises. O'Sullivan's passes, however, had a way of finding their target in the spring of 2007. The one-time Jesuit High School star threw 15 touchdown passes against seven interceptions for the Frankfurt Galaxy, had a league-best 103.1 passer rating and was named the offensive co-MVP. At least one NFL evaluator took notice. When Mike Martz, then Detroit's offensive coordinator, was given a tape of O'Sullivan that summer, he was reminded of one of his former pupils, Marc Bulger. O'Sullivan showed a knack for sidestepping the pass rush just long enough to get away the throw – and even with such ferocious pressure, his passes were on target. "I was looking for a guy who could make throws under duress and hard circumstances," Martz said. "It was obvious to me that he was very accurate and very intelligent." Of the six free agents the 49ers added earlier this month, O'Sullivan's name typically is listed last. He's a career backup out of UC Davis who has changed rosters so often that he already has been on a quarter of the NFL's teams. The assumption is that O'Sullivan, who signed a one-year deal with San Francisco, will be the 49ers' No. 3 passer if he makes the team at all. Martz, however, sees the situation differently. He insisted this week that O'Sullivan has a good chance of edging out Shaun Hill and Alex Smith and beginning the season atop the quarterback pecking order. "He's capable of being a starter in this league," said Martz, now the 49ers' offensive coordinator. "He's not a reliever, if you will. He's not a backup. He'll take full advantage of (the competition). He's a very fierce competitor." After all, pedigree is not important to Martz. Of his four most famous students – Bulger, Kurt Warner, Trent Green and Jon Kitna – Bulger entered the league with the most fanfare. He was a mere sixth-round pick in 2000. O'Sullivan went in the same round to New Orleans in 2002. In 2004, the Saints traded him to Green Bay for cornerback Mike McKenzie. But when Aaron Rodgers unexpectedly fell to the Packers in the first round of the 2005 draft, O'Sulli- van became expendable. He was picked up by the Vikings later that year and seemed to have found an advocate in Minnesota head coach Mike Tice. Tice, however, was fired at the end of the season and replaced by Brad Childress. Said O'Sullivan: "I guess the nice way to put it is that I wasn't in their plans." His break came in 2007 with Chicago. He made the Bears promise that if he didn't fit there, they would release him before training camp. They did, and Martz pounced. Now O'Sullivan enters the 2008 season in perhaps the best position of his career. Smith and Hill are coming off injuries, and O'Sullivan is the only one of the three well-versed in the 49ers' new offense. What's most important is that he has a major backer in Martz. O'Sullivan didn't take part in the Lions' offseason program last year. He joined the club a month before the season but still picked up the system quickly enough to earn the No. 2 spot and get into the first regular-season game of his career – an overtime win over Minnesota in Week 2. That learn-on-the-fly ability told Martz that O'Sullivan was smart. That he has hung around the league for six seasons reminded Martz of Warner, Bulger, Kitna and others. "They just seem to have a certain persistence," Martz said. "It's like they're kind of on a mission. There's a sense of toughness that they've developed along the way. That's important." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Here's an article from March of this year, a little of San Fran signed him. Martz had seen enough of him in Detroit to think he is starter quality. http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/782007.html What does Mike Martz know about QBs and offensive football? C'mon! When it comes to offense, I'll take Jerry Angelo's opinion anyday over Martz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Wasn't he a beast over in NFL Europe? I remember reading your updates from over there and really wanting to see him play in the preseason. I never got to though because of all the other QB's here. yes he was. League MVP his 2nd year over & led Galaxy to the world bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 The Bears picked up O'Sullivan three days after Super Bowl XLI and allocated him to NFL Europa, where he earned co-MVP honors with the Frankfurt Galaxy. Upon returning stateside, he promptly was released because the Bears had an agreement with his agent that they'd let him go if he wasn't going to get a shot at making the roster. The Bears took undrafted Chris Leak to training camp with Orton, Rex Grossman and Brian Griese. ''He just wasn't a good fit at the time,'' Smith said. ''It's as simple as that. J.T. is a good player, as he is showing right now. We're happy where we are, and we're happy for him.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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