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I understand why you're cautious or cynical, after all we've been through, i understand your reluctance to buy in. But this is different - Ben Johnson is clearly a different kind of coach, and the expectations for the offense are higher than we've seen here before. Caleb's already got some real highlight film throws that the others on the list dont have. And he only learned how to drop correctly from center since May or June. He's special avoiding pressure, and scrambling. He makes incredible off platform throws, and in the last couple weeks you can see his internal clock is calm. Hes operating within himself, and finding receivers on time, when they are open. I dont begrudge you your caution - I'm just saying, come on in - the water is warm - it's safe to risk your heart again! LOL If he keeps developing, there won't be much left to worry about. He's already right on the cusp of greatness.

He and Emmitt Smith both benefited from that Offensive Line. They were unusually stacked because of the Herschel Walker trade. Also, Aikman is going to regret getting into a tussle with Caleb.

for sure, just as Burden makes Moore expendable, for example. I just meant you're always trying to push assets into the future a year early to get the most return, and keep the pump primed.

Aikman does not belong in that group. Always has been overrated.

Hard to say where this fits in with it: "Diggs has dealt with injuries in 2025, limiting him to only eight games. When he’s been on the field, his performance hasn’t resembled his All-Pro showing from earlier in his career. Still, if a team wants some extra CB depth ahead of the postseason, there won’t be higher-upside options than the 27-year-old".

That's fair, but Williams, Trubisky, and Fields are not in the same stratosphere. I can't tell you how many times we were told about Mitch going from 101 to 201, taking the training wheels off. I think we are well past that point with Williams. Williams is the first QB in NFL history to start a career with more than 7K Passing yards, 800 Rush yards, with more than 40 Pass TDs and fewer than 15 INTs through their first 33 games. One other QB has put up those numbers in a 33-game span in their entire careers, once by Josh Allen. Caleb has done it in his first 33 games. With 229 Passing Yards, Caleb will hit 7,500 in his first two seasons. With one TD, he will be at 50 (Pass+Rush+Rec). With 24 Rushing Yards, he will hit 900. That would be over 8,400 Pass+Rush Yards in his first two years, averaging 4,200 per year with 25 TDs. Those are franchise QB numbers, and that's his floor.

I haven't looked it up but someone posted that Diggs has a 158.3 QB Rating against, the worst in the NFL. If that is true, you literally can't get any worse and he obvious has other things going on in his life to be that bad on the field.

Ageee. Studs won’t want to come here because they’ll get 60 catches as the #1. But subpar guys can come here and rejuvenate their career.

Yes I agree but I’d say that good teams are the ones that already a good replacement on the roster when they make that decision.

I didn't know that back story and it does mean a lot. To Stingers point of why would the Raiders do that? The answer is simple: protect the new franchise QB while building the future.

Obvious connection to Al Harris and if I don't have to see McCloud on the field in the playoffs I'd consider that a blessing. He'd be a coverage upgrade over Stevenson too. He's not likely going anywhere for a single game so does he want to play with a playoff team? Can he play in the slot because CJGJ can't cover anyone? https://www.profootballrumors.com/2025/12/more-on-cowboys-decision-to-cut-trevon-diggs

Thuney had his choice of destinations and requested to play for Ben Johnson. There is no way I can see Poles disrespecting the future HoF player by casting him off after one very successful season. That would send a really bad message to other good veteran FAs around the league, many of whom choose to chase a ring late in their career.

From the Raiders point of view, Thuney probably has 2 yrs left , why would Raiders want a high salary player when it's at least 2 yrs away from being respectable? I think any rebuilding team will want draft picks. I also thing we are at the beginning of a high powered offense and I don't think BJ is giving away offense assets to disrupt the flow of what he's built. The best OL we have, Thuney? Any weapons? Injuries this yr shows you need more than 3 Wrs and I TE. Zacchus and Devin will be gone next year.

Like Mongo said, being home is the key. West coast teams coming here would be an advantage to us. Out of our control anyways.

This was a goal set by Johnson, not me. He had it with Goff so that's his measure. Will Caleb make it? I actually think he can.

True that. How he wasn't injured after being sacked 60+ times last year is by itself amazing.

I’ll answer on behalf of “some people.” Your point is taken—yes, he’s done well and is clearly making solid progress toward bigger and better things. Without digging too deep into the weeds, but using some simple comparisons, I’ll just say this: we’ve been here before. And let it be known I won't deny the talent that Caleb so far has exhibited. Trubisky, in only his second year, won the NFC North and helped secure the #2 seed in 2018. (And in 2020, he technically got us back into the playoffs—albeit backing in at 8–8 as the #7 seed.) Jay Cutler in his second year with Chicago, led the team to the NFC Championship Game in 2010. Rex Grossman in his third year, got the Bears to the playoffs and their first Super Bowl appearance in 25 years. Jim McMahon despite being injured during his second season (1984), QB’d the Bears to Super Bowl XX in his third year with the team. What’s common among all these guys (aside from maybe Trubisky)? They—and their teams—ultimately became one-hit wonders. You’ve heard the phrase “once bitten, twice shy”? That’s me as a long suffering Bears fan. I love what’s happening right now, but I’ve been down this road too many times to assume it’ll last. That said—and as I said at the beginning of this ramble—right here, right now, I’m genuinely enjoying the ride. I really hope I’m wrong and after this year, we continue to trend upwards.

It's crazy how a couple weeks can change things. Grady Jarrett, Austin Booker, Luther Burden and Jahdae Walker have emerged. Grady Jarrett may be tradable now. Also, a DJ Moore trade seems more palatable.(I still like the Chris Jones theory. Here's another whacky thought. The Raiders are looking at drafting Mendoza with the first pick. Relating that to Tom Brady being involved, he'll push hard for OL improvement. With the emergence of Theo Benedet and the promise of Luke Newman, does that make Joe Thuney a trade asset. I know, coming from me, it's fat guy blasphemy. But, if you think about it, it's what winning organizations do. By moving Thuney, DJ and Grady, you lower the cap and gain assets in the right places. Lastly, just straight cut Edmunds if nobody bites on a trade.

I like Dexter, just not at 3 tech. He's not explosive or slippery. That was never a knock on Hicks. Put another 20 pounds on him and he may become a pro bowl 1 tech.

Thanks

Hicks is a great example that all players don't develop immediately. He bounced around two teams until he landed here and finally found his game. A lot people get down on a player if he don't look good his first couple of years. Some just take longer and we have several on this team. Dexter hasn't been bad but isn't a star of which some people expected. He works hard and it may be next year before he stands out. Edwards was a UDFA and worked his way to a starring job in Philly. Has been a very consistent player since coming here.

I think something great than no one talks about is he's never missed a game to Injuries. That's unique in this NFL these days.

If not this year but next year. With 11 wins and playoff bound, plenty other things to talk about.

I still find it interesting that some people/media are not "sold" on Caleb yet. Like what else does this guy need to do? The Bears just won the NFC North and have a chance for the #2 seed. He is about to break the franchise Passing Yards record at 24 yrs old. In most cases, he is neck and neck stat-wise with Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, and Bo Nix. The only QBs ahead of the pack are Stafford, Goff, Prescott, and Maye (the only QBs with 30+ TD Passes and 4K yards). However, he is elite with ball safety, basically breaking his own record with every attempt. With 3 more attempts, he will have the lowest INT rate for a QB in their first 1,100 attempts. He already has the record for the lowest with 1K attempts. The BEST PART, he is still not a finished product. I don't know if he will ever be a 70% Comp guy, but who cares? That is a good goal, but that is not the end all be all. Stafford is a career 63.5% Comp QB. However, he didn't hit 60% for his career until he was 27, in Year 7. All the while throwing double-digit INTs every season. Josh Allen didn't hit 60% until Year 3. Tom Brady was under 62% until Year 8. Caleb is at 60.3% for his career already. I think 65% is a more realistic goal. At the start of the season, we were hoping for 40 or fewer sacks. He has 23 heading into Week 17 and hasn't been sacked in the last 2 games. He got sacked in every game last year. The wildest advanced stat on his sacks, Caleb has the lowest sack rate of any QB with 80+ sacks in his first two seasons.

Right, it's not my perfect example, but they had a great player and elected not to resign him to preserve cap space. Good teams do move on from good players for the purpose of cap management - I know you agree.