madlithuanian

As I am probably equally puzzled how some fans could feel the opposite... I am actually enjoying the discussion, but if it's going to go in circles, then it may be best to put it to rest. I'm fairly open on this, but I've honestly not heard a compelling reason to change my mind.

I just got it. I haven't had any time to play though. I'll have a peek soon.

I preferred our perfect record of 1.0000 in SB's. You can keep 2006. It's a failure to me. It was a fun run, and up until we lost all hope, it was wonderful. But from that point on, it was all for nothing. So to speak... As I do mention, we can't predict such thing, so I would never ever ever not give ourselves the opportunity to win. But if I knew I had to sit and watch us lose, I'm not sure I'd be for that. It was an accomplishment for the Minny teams, the Bills, etc...and as much as I sit and can tell you how wonderful and lovely it must feel for those guys to tackle that tough goal of just gtting there and playing hard, my gut tell me BS! You don't win, and it's just the most vicious loss one could ever endure. Sure all the guys will say they were glad to go...but I don't suit up, I watch as a fan, and I don't like watching us lose. In any game, especially the one one that really matters. The question at hand was would you rather lose the NFC championship or the Super Bowl...and I still would rather lose the championship. I honestly don't believe teams learn from losing the SB. Most that do, then wallow in misery for years after. Whereas teams that lose the NFC championship tend to be in the mix for the next few years and a good chunk go on to win it. And, the question isn't a slippery slope into losing in the regular season, not making the playoffs, etc.. It was A or B... And no, if you throw C in, I want to make the playoffs every year regardless where we lose in them. It shows a sign of being a solid team, and one would hope, the team could learn from mistakes and eventaully win the big one. It's a personal thing. I'm approaching it from a fatalistic and logical approach. The laws of average point that SB losing teams wallow in misery for years more often that conf championship losers. Or at least would appear that way from my years of following the NFL. Or maybe the stigma of losing the SB is just too unpleasant. No one remembers who lost in the conf game, only who lost in the SB. The biggest low, is losing the SB. Because the expectation is there to win. Just my personal thoughts...

It's honestly a silly argument all around because we have no capability of knowing the future, etc. I do agree with you in a sense though. I'd rather have not gone than lost. But, you don't know if you'll lose without going. It's a catch 22 to me. Logically, if I have choice A or B. A being that we go to the SB and lose no matter what. B being we don't go, I'd take B. I'd rather hunger for it and actually win it later. But, that's given that we know in absolute certainty we will lose. But that's me, I don't like the anguish of losing, Going isn't good enough. Only winning is. Anything else is still losing.

Oops, I just respnded the same...I didn't see your comment. Well said...

C'mon guys...I think we can argue this w/o the name-calling.

What a novel concept for this regime! Finally, not some odd-up-and-comer from the college ranks...but real NFL experience guys!

I like the idea of picking your slot...no problem there! I hear you on trying to make the pre-season interesting. But I look at a fantasy league and the pre-season as 2 really seperate things.

Rivalry at its finest!

Thanks! I'm assuming I'll be able to change the name since the team skipped town....

flea, do you know who was Pix's team from last year so I can eye my portential keepers?

I don't like the pre-season guessing at all. Names out of a hat seems more fair. It's still guesswork, but anything involving pre-season needs to be kicked to the curb!

Just like Rodman...at least he's our a-hole now! I too like what I've been hearing about him. He appears to be a great upgrade from the forer coord..

He deserves it...no reason to get mad. Get even!

No problem! I got a real kick out of it too!

Thanks! I just sent you a personal note w/ my e-mail.

Not yet, but it's on my list. The Fantasy league I'm in wants to do a draft there one year to be able to check it out....

No problem!

CHeck the options button towards the right top coner, I think you need to click on outline view. At least I think that's what you're asking...

Actually, I think Mike Borwn deserves a closer look.... I do love that we're arguing over the fact that we have too many great players from history....

I'm glad to hear you don't have a vendetta (sp?) against him! Suhey should be considered for sure. Not every player on that squad led the team. But in the end, I quess each to their own. Maybe I'm just biassed towards the guy... I just saw him as a leader of men.

Yeah, but doesn't that make the arguement? And you cannot take that year away from him anyay. Our most shining moment, he shines...and did so for the years before and after before the thug from Green Bay injured him in a cheap shot. Couldn't you say the same thing about Terry Bradshaw? Montana w/o Rice and Craig, etc... It takes a team to win. Again, I'm not comparing hm to Terry... Did you like him at all? Other than being on the winning team and wearing the jersey?

As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. He also didn't play in a bunch of games, so his numbers aren't exactly stellar in volume. His impressive number is wins. #'s alone do not paint the whole story of greatness on the football field. Again, I'm not lobbying Jimmy Mac for the HoF, but for one of the 50 greatest Bears. I think he easily is. Here's what he brought: 1. Moxie...we know it. No one else since has had it. No one has had Jimmy's balls. Cutler might. Jury's still out. 2. Respect. His teammates loved him. He challenged the coach, and more often than not, correctly. He played hard, and his O-line and teammates knew it. They played harder because of him. 3. Leadership. See 1 and 2... He had it. You wanted to go to battle with Mad Mac. 4. Comebacks. The Minny game just stands out above all else. He willed that win. That was not a Payton win. That was not a Dent, Hampton, Singletary win. That was all on Jimmy. There were others. Games like that helped instillan air of invulnerability that made that season so special. Jimmy pays in Miami, we'd have run the table. 5. History. Look what he did at BYU. It's not a fluke. Dude had game. 6. He played. Yeah, like Favre. He had fun out there. It was fun watching him play. 7. We won us a Super Bowl. Our only one. Yes, Dent won the MVP and Walter was a decoy...but Jimmy made NE pay dearly. He conducted a clinic that game. It's our only one to date. So, yeah, it freakin' means a LOT! The worst part of it was injury, and I blame that guy from Green Bay for ruining his career and the Bears' future. I won't argue where in the 50 Jimmy belongs, but dammit, he belongs!

You guys are too harsh on Jimmy Mac! I do think Red needs to be before him, but he was freakin' really good! Out of 50 Bears, he should be in the 50... You poo poo his skills too much based on his character... He put up excellent numbers and was a TRUE leader in every sense. His O line would kill for him. That speaks volumes...