BearFan PHX

I havent fought with anyone but you, the rest of us are all having a fine discussion. While I thank you for your advice on how I should talk, i will politely decline to follow it.

You keep making this point. What does it mean? Does it mean people talking sports shouldnt speak about decisions their team has made? It just sounds like you saying "shut up and love the team" and my direct answer to that is "no" I can praise Poles for some things and criticize him for others. I can make judgements about which players or GMs are good and which need replacing. I remember about 6 months ago you were arguing that there was no way Poles would get rid of Jenkins. "He just needs another chance" you said. Same with Leno years ago. And with Fields. And Eberflus. So, yeah. You just love anyone on the team. that's awesome for an 8 year old fan. Here in the real world, when men talk sports, they say good and bad things about their team - and the reason is they hope to fix or replace the bad players, coaches and GM so we get better.

we would have negotiated a contract that fit our situation. It would still be a ton of money, but as to which year it hits etc, that was negotiable. I figure we would have traded Jaylon Johnson which could have made one of the pciks a 2nd rounder, and it gets $20M off of our books. Plus JJ is going to want a new deal next year anyway, and we arent gonna pay what he wants.

Its OK to say Parsons is worth the price, and its Ok to say he isnt. Here are some things that are simply not true: 1) Parson's isnt that good - no hes great. 2) If we signed Parsons, we couldnt resign Caleb in a couple years - not true, the salary cap goes up every year, and one doesnt mean the other 3) you have to be one player away to make this move - no you do something like this when your QB is on their rookie deal, thats the advantage of having a QB on their rookie deal! 4) Our pass rush is fine - no it isnt

even still, he will be lining up against us twice a year and thats not a good thing.

Hopefully he is ready to take the job by the bye, so he gets good first team reps during the bye week.

totally agree. Edge is important as hell, and so is the player that stops the edge from being important: LT. And they are both important for the same reason! And we are hurting at both. Amen

no it's fair, youre right, hindsight IS 2020, but I was saying this at the time too - I was definitely pounding the table for Banks or Ersery. Im not making a final determination on Trapilo, hes a young talented player, I hope he ascends and replaces Jones. But Ersery is already killing it and I thought and think that he was the better player. Truth be told, I didnt even watch any film on Trapilo pre draft. I didnt know anything about him. And we havent even seen Turner at all, so i dont know what to think of him, hopefully he will be great. Just like I think Loveland and Burden are going to be great. I'm just saying we went into the draft with questions at LT, Edge and HB, and here were are right before opening day, with questions at LT, Edge and HB. I cant wait to see Johnson's offense in full force. We've been hungering for it for so long - but I fear we're going to see it not properly deployed because of pressure from the left side. And that is going to be SO frutrating. TO see WRs open everywhere and Caleb running for his life, and I can just hear the narratives already. "Hes still holding the ball too long, and scrambling too much" or "The Bears never protect their QBs, Williams will have the same outcome as Fields" and that is going to make me physically ill. Oh and to your last point, Maybe Im missing something but Dayo looks like an expensive bust out there. Yikes.

One Elite pass rusher has won the day many years though! The Eagles had depth, so they had a rotation, but the bigger point is that a real pass rush takes even the best QBs out of the game. I'm surprised this is even controversial at all. Edge rusher is the second most important, and highly paid, position on the field. Im sure we can agree on that?

Logic fails you. Did you hear me say the Packers are 100% locks for the superbowl? Youre so caught up in whos winning and losing that youre missing the point. A dominant pass rusher, which is a very important ingredient in winning superbowls, second only QB, was available. Not only did we not get him, but he went to a divisional rival. And not only did he go to a divisional rival, but we have no one to block him. He's some math you rpobably wont understand, but everyone else reading this thread will so Ill say it anyway: For your bet to even begin to make sense, we would have to both agree that Jordan love is a SB QB right? Because I said Edge is the second most important position. But go ahead, you keep telling yourself that we dont need an edge rusher, and the happy rainbow fairies are gonna make Braxton be really good. Do I think we can scheme around Braxton's weaknesses a bit? Sure sometimes. Do i think Dennis Allen can find ways to create pressure? Of course. DO I want to see the skill players look great out there - of course I do! We will win games this year. But LT and Pass rush are big problems. And it's OK to talk about that, even though it makes you scared and need to protect your player friends who's feelings are being hurt by my noticing that they are playing crap. This is just our discussion about Charles Leno all over again. Its OK to say there are problems on the team. Your participation trophy stuff is weird.

that doesnt even make sense - its just your typical "root for the guys you got and dont complain about it, theyll be good soon, just believe, just clap your hands together and together our rainbows will save the day" it's embarrassing. Save your cheerleader booster club nonsense for some other homers. Poles screwed up again. We get better by admitting our weaknesses not with your participation trophies.

we would have had Burden either way with pick #39. This was downgrading from Ersery to Trapilo to get Turner. If we had taken Trapilo while Ersery or Banks was still on the board, then id read that our guys saw something extra special in him, in which case Id give it more time. But we didnt, we got cute traded down and then took Trapilo. Now Im not saying Trapilo won't develop and be good, but what i am saying is Ersery is already looking GREAT to the point where his team is looking to trade the free agent they just signed who was going to start, but now wont because Ersery got the job already. So the question is, is Turner going to be worth going from Ersery to Trapilo. Im not trying to predict the future with Trapilo, Im saying that right now, we got too cute in the draft, and missed the solid players we need. It's like Loveland. Hes obviously a great player and we are lucky to have him. But is he better than if we'd taken a pass rusher like Mykel Williams? If Loveland isnt an impact league leading TE, then pick 10 was too high to take him. Im saying that I LOVE our new coaches. And I really like Burden and Loveland a lot. But Im not sure Poles is doing that great of a job. He took Williams, which I think will turn out to look very good. Of course every single GM in the league would have known to do that. Even most of us here understood that was a no brainer. So does that make Poles good? Then he got Ben Johnson. Also a huge feather in Poles cap. And again, an obvious no brainer decision. And Johnson chose us as much as anything, and that was because of Caleb. Again, huge score for Poles, but does it mean he is a good GM? Wouldn't any GM who needed a new coach have wanted Johnson? I think Poles traded down too much in the draft. We could have even had Loveland, Burden and Ersery! And then Skatebo. Again, not dissing Monangai - if he plays like he looked in camp, then that is indeed a good move by Poles. But we are severely limited at LT and Pass Rush. These are huge problems at premium positions. We knew them going into the draft, and here we are after the offseason, and they are still glaring issues. It's nice to have 5 (6?) real playmakers WR and TE. But if Johnson is such a schemer, maybe we could have had one fewer TE or WR and address LT and Edge for real. It's frustrating because this was easy to see the whole time. I kept saying it. Before the draft, during the draft and now. We basically tried to fix the LT and DE with reaches we bought from a single 2nd pick we traded down. That's trying too hard, and in the end you out-think yourself.

Who should have been Ersery. Instead, we trade pick 41 for Trapilo and Turner. It's a mistake. Too cute in the draft room for Poles again.

so your point is that having a dominant pass rusher doesnt help you win superbowls? Did you watch the last one? DId you see the Eagles D line nullify Patrick Mahomes effect on the game? After QB what position DOES correlate to super bowls? and here's you: "Braxton Jones is gonna try really hard, and were gonna just get better and try really hard and dig down deep and try really hard"

Braxton is not good enough. Excuses are excuses. Hopefully Trapilo is ready at some point soon to replace him.