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totally agree. the free shows on YouTube are almost all just them talking badly about other pundits. Almost worthless. Whats amazing is their paid content, the player breakdowns.

All I can say, to everyone here, is that the $10/mo Patreon for TTNL is amazing. They break down all the college players we might be interested in. The tape makes it all very clear. You could pay for April only, so a total of $10, and get all the breakdowns theyve done so far and will do before the draft.

No doubt Phil is arrogant. But I think he's right a lot too. And I think Gabriel is a moron, but that's just my opinion of course. It's just you used him as "evidence" or a "supporting fact" so I was just saying that evidence didnt hold up in my view. I also not saying you said he is always right or anything like that. It's just you cited him, so I rebutted that? Like if you put a PFF factoid and then i say PFF is random. Same thing? Also, if you get a chance to watch "Cars Keys" on TTNL, he and Shayne talk and he is VERY smart about GM stuff and the cap. And Phil isn't on that show. On his free shows on youtube Phil is basically just being arrogant, but if you pay the $10, and watch his film analysis this time of year, and ignore his personaility, it's the best stuff out there I think. Starting with it isnt just highlights, but the good the bad and the ugly. It's why I dont like Zion Young while most people do. That TTNL tape looked a lot different than the highlight reels do. And I saw him taking plays off, giving half effort and not being a high motor guy. This time of year it's a good $10 to spend. He goes in depth with a lot of the possible guys we could draft, and you can watch an hour of tape, along with excellent analysis about footwork, assignments, routes etc etc for anyone interested, it's excellent.

No i dont think you or we were arguing. If you mean the phrase "argument of authority" that means like a logical argument, and its a classic logical mistake, but it doesnt mean like angry arguing or anything like that - we arent. You havent said anything like that in a while, alls well here with me. No fight here. Im just saying i think he's an idiot, so for me, his opinion isnt proof of anything. And I just offered that he said we would keep Fields and trade the Caleb pick. He said he had inside info about that, and clearly, he was lying or being lied to - either way, it it proof that you cant trust those reports from him. But this is just a discussion, Im not mad at you(or anyone).

LOL @ the Phil Emery video! I know what you mean, this time of year we are so hungry for information, and there just isnt any to be had, lying season and all that. That said, I still think Greg Gabriel has the worst takes around. I don't trust him as a source at all. He said Caleb would be terrible and we should keep Fields. He even said that he had inside info that we would trade that first pick and keep Fields. I mean that alone should make anything else he says highly suspect.

well we are back to this. the argument of authority. Understand that Greg Gabriels job isnt to tell the truth, its to get clicks. Also these guys just repeat the same narratives. You can believe or "trust" whoever you want to, but its not any kind of proof at all. GG is an idiot. https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1741190517847646295 Hilarious.

With all due respect, Greg Gabriel is wrong a LOT.

The reason is if Garrett is holding out, then they either get something for him, or nothing. That's why they'd take less. But they ONLY have to take as little a price as the second highest bidding team

In general the back 7 were slow, having been built for a zone scheme. And zone schemes require a pass rush, but we didnt have that either because Eberflus sucks. We will continue to build on team speed, and that will help a lot. We also need a pass rush desperately. But yeah, our defense was much worse than the stats showed last year.

yeah I think you have to assume that. Even if he's cleared, it doesnt mean he'll be ready to play impactfully. So I think you gotta move forward like he's gone. If we end up with two good LTs next year, you can always trade one.

yes for sure.

I agree, although if Odunze has another year with a ton of drops that could change, but right now I agree with you 100% and I expect Odunze to be better this year.

Just because pundits say it doesnt make it true. Also, no way we trade Burden or Loveland, and Odunze isnt going anywhere either. Not this year anyway. If Garrett wont play, the Browns will have to cut their losses. Part of why Garrett wont play is theyre ripping the team down to the studs to rebuild, like we did when we got rid of Khalil Mack and Roquan Smith. So they're going to be all about dead cap anyway right now. They want picks. If multiple teams are bidding, and Garrett has OK'd them all as destinations, then the price will be high. But if there are not many teams bidding, or if Garrett says he only wants one team, then the price falls. And if Garrett wants to go to a winner, then he is smart enough to know that having the team hes going to lose a ton of draft picks doesnt get him closer to the SB. So it is in his interest to keep the pool of teams bidding small. The Browns might just have to eat it.

Love all those picks except Zion Young, but I think you're thinking the right way about the picks. If the board falls a certain way, it might be an OT or CB too.

I see your point about players. I was just thinking who we could give, not who theyd want - it's a good point. It seems like they are in teardown mode, and they already have a ton of dead cap, and can actually afford more. It reminds me of the year we got rid of Khalil Mack and Roquan Smith.