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you werent wrong - it was a smart prediction. none of us has an actual crystal ball, so a prediction like this is just a good bet, and I think you were right last year, it was a good bet. and it could happen for him this year, but sooner or later that guy is getting a GM job, and I think he's been offered a few already. so if you were off about your bet, it was just that he wouldnt take the arizona job, not that he didnt have the opportunity.

I like a hard schedule. Makes you ready for the playoffs.

sure, but I dont imagine that DJ will come down from $28.5M to $16M or similar? Maybe Im wrong about that, but if I was DJ I wouldnt, especially with the writing ont he wall that his targets will be diminished as they have been? It seems like it has trade written all over it. But again, not because DJ isnt good, because he IS good, but thats just waaay too much money for his production. If we can get him entirely off our books, and get some value in return, i think thats the right move.

Edmunds is often out of position in coverage, and offensive coordinators have been attacking him personally for the past month. He is a physical specimen, but he is not a good LB. I thought when they moved him to WLB that would help, and it seemed to for a minute, but the guy never gets his drop right, and they complete a ton of balls on him. hes not playing well, and hes sure not playing $16M well. The unit looks better with Demarco Jackson out there honestly.

Yeah, Im not saying it's stupid or anything to think we should keep DJ. I have a lot of respect for him as a player. We can disagree maybe on HOW good he is, but I don't think that's really the question anyway. I think he's very good. Take D'Andre Swift for example. At $4M a year, hes a no brainer to keep and feature. At $8M its a fair price given his recent production and renewed energy. At $16M a year hes a clear cut or trade candidate. That's not a slight on him - he's the same player the whole time, it's just a matter of price. I personally just don't think DJ is worth $28M a year. If someone trades for him, they'll only pay $16M a year (we eat the rest) and that's a much more reasonable price for his production in my opinion. I could go on and say he quits on routes, sometimes has terrible body language etc etc but I really dont want to disparage him, because all in all, I think hes a pretty damned good receiver. I'm not thinking we will trade him because I'm mad at him or he "sucks" - that's not it at all. It's just the price tag is too high for what you get. And this becomes especially true when you look at our cap situation, and the clear assets needed to stock the defense. If you traded DJ for a 3rd rounder even, you'd add $16.5M to the free agency spend, and a 3rd round pick. That could be three starters. Or it could help pay for a stud DE, and the 3rd might help you move up a little in the first round to draft the DE's understudy. Just that would help a lot. Or think of it this way. Imagine DJ is a free agent, but we have the rest of our roster and WRs. If we have $31M in cap space, with this current defense and offense, would you spend $28.5M of it on DJ Moore? I like DJ! He's just too expensive in my opinion?

Well said. I wouldnt fight to the death for DA, but if it was my call I'd keep him, for all the reasons you just listed.

The current players dont match ANY scheme. They are "built" for Cover 2 zone but they dont have a pass rush to make that work. They are too slow for man to man, and when we blitz 7 no one gets home. I dont think there is a single player on our defense that we couldnt live without. Some will stay, and some will go depending on replacement options and trade interest etc, but I see a lot of turnover coming for our defense this offseason. I'm gonna say at least 5 new starters not currently on the roster by midseason. Could easily be 7 or more.

right! DJ is a talented WR, but he is just way too expensive.

not really? they were unable to stop the Lions from eating up tons of clock, and scoring. The offense might have looked better if theyd had the ball to get into a rhythm. And then there is the eye test. We were terrible. If the Lions had been down 21 points coming out of halftime, they clearly could have scored that many if they needed it. Im not giving the offense a pass here, but the defense stunk. Like extra stinky. One of the worst defensive performances ive ever seen. Right up there with last week against SF and the week before against the Pack. When your opponent is up two scores, you cant point to their offense slowing down as a product of our defensive play. They didnt punt much.

The idea isnt that Moore is bad - no one is saying he has to go because he is terrible! The argument is that he is redundant with all the WRs we have, and especially with Luther Burden. Does DJ Moore add something? Absolutely! But we are paying him $28.5M a year! And since we can play without him, that money needs to go to the D line, as well as any picks we might get from trading him. His 682 yards for $28.5M = almost $42,000 a yard. Come on. It's not that 682 is so bad, its that $28.5M is too much! We simply cant afford to pay $28.5M a year to a guy who is a luxury when our defense is made of tissue paper. So no one is saying that Moore sucks or dosnt bring something, it's just too much value at one position and not enough at others?

The offense was silent for the first three quarters, and the defense was AWFUL. Did the defense lose this game? Yes. Did the offense suck? Yes. No excuses should be made for either squad.

right. someone would trade for DJ, the question is what they would trade, not whether there would be a market.

Oh boy, I really want this win. I hate the Packers. After that, if we have to lose in the next round, I'll accept it and call the season a success. But there has got to be some tricky shit we can pull on defense. There has to be something. Also, all these comebacks are great, but theyre starting to put a story into everyones mind that its ok to sleep through the 2nd and 3rd quarter. BJ has to disavow them of that. I bet there will be a lot of shakeup on this roster this offseason, especially on the defensive side. They have to move on from a lot of awful players. But just this one week. Please. Let's kill them. I wanna destroy the Packers.

Trade with Raiders or Browns: JJ, DJ Moore, Sweat, and they HAVE to take Jarrett and Deyo too for Crosby/Garrett and a 3rd It's a joke, but to get all those players off the books, it'd be pretty sweet.

Kmet is right on the edge of his cap number, but he does do some good things for us. If they think they can get what he gives them from another younger cheaper guy, I support them moving him. If they think he's worth it, I'll understand that too. Players I'd seriously look at trading, cutting, not resigning or demoting to backup include Jaylon Johnson DJ Moore (trade only, cant cut him) Tremaine Edmunds Montez Sweat (if you are replacing him with a stud) Andrew Billings Grady Jarett Joquan Brisker Dayo Odeyingbo Nick McCloud Devin Duvernay Gervon Dexter Core Players for next year: Caleb (2) The OL (1xR) Coleston Loveland (R) Rome Odunze (2) Luther Burden (R) Monangai (R) Maybe Swift too Offense = 4 rookies core players, 2 x 2nd year players Austin Booker (2 - not a DE1) Kevin Byard TJ Edwards? Defense = 1 second year player, no playmakers I think it's going to be a wild ride on the defensive side of the ball this offseason - I would expect surprises and a lot of activity.