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I don't see an early QB run but I think there could be a few QBs taken between 10-20. That depends on any combination of trade scenarios. If Bears trade back to mid-1st then they might then go QB, I don't see us taking a QB #3 overall. Cleveland is already sitting there at #12. Houston could have a strong preference for one QB and trade up. Arizona is in there. Washington has questions surrounding Cousins long term. New Orleans sitting at #11? Teams will definitely view Cleveland as going QB at #12. If they really want one of the QBs then they may feel its best to play defense and trade up into the top 10 to get their guy. I'm not sure they'd want to go all the way up to #3 overall. What could make things interesting is that yesterday Charley Casserly said that Fournette is the 1A talent in this draft right behind Garrett. Casserly is very well connected around the league and he's a very good talent evaluator. He thinks Fournette is likely to go to Jax at #4 and teams may want to trade up ahead of them to take him. There is no way Cleveland is not taking Garrett #1. That means teams can either trade up with SF or Chi. If he's correct #3 might not be a bad spot to be in. Who might move up for Fournette? Carolina from #8, and that would be a deadly pairing with Cam's ability to run. Titans from #5; perfect compliment to an improving young QB and they have extra picks. Jets at #6 overall who seem destined for QB purgatory and might want to establish a solid running game. Chargers at #7 not sure. I"m not sure if there's at team after #10 that would want to make that big of a move for a RB. None are a big drop back for the Bears which is very attractive IMO. At #8 taking Trubisky looks a lot better but we might also have Hooker still available, Allen who I think will fall a bit, or reach a bit for Ramczyk.
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I've been on board that OLB/LDE is a need for us. If he checks out medically he seems like a good option for Rd 2.
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I agree there but for that impact we have to find one that drops to us in Rd 2. Even in Rd 3 someone like Garcia is a project who will not help much in his rookie season. I like Bolles too and if either he or Ramczyk are there in Rd 2 we should take them.
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I'm just curious why there is no discussion, or someone promoting Lattimore with the 3rd pick? He's clearly the top rated CB in this draft with a grade nearly as high as the top two safeties. Traditionally CB has higher value than Safety so it seems some among us would be on the soap box for him. Is it because of his hamstring injury history? Depth at the position in the draft? Or because we signed two FA CB so the need is a bit less? Most here agree with the idea of taking a CB in Rd 2. Is Lattimore just not good enough to warrant the 3rd overall pick? If we trade back, at what point does he enter the discussion considering favorites here are largely Allen, Thomas, Adams, or Hooker? If any of those are still on the board are they the pick or when does Lattimore enter the discussion? 6th overall? 10th?
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Another Bears viewing option closer to home. No complaints here. $2B for a stadium?
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I'd be very happy with this draft. Now a confession: After a couple months hyping him as a solid late Rd prospect I watched Jarron Jones run a 5.4 forty and look stiff as a board. I'm doubting my judgment. Biggest concern is that he's rumored to be lazy and it seems to me the poor forty time backs that up. If you can't spend a few months getting ready for the best job interview of your life then what will you get ready for?
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I understand where you are coming from but I disagree on the Hall of Fame because IMO you can never predict that. Pro Bowls is a better expectation. Adams clearly has several years of Pro Bowl potential in him and that's what you want out of this pick. Plus it's a big need for our roster especially with his leadership skills. Much is made out of not taking safeties early but then again this league is a passing league now and someone with Adams size and ability to cover move TEs adds a lot of value. Beyond that he's excellent in the box area and he's talented enough to play some CB or FS. IMO he's the kind of player who can set the tone for the entire defense.
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Logic says yes, it's a reasonable move, but I'm still struggling with it and the whiskey bottle is getting light.
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I have accepted the fact that after this draft there will still be one glaring need on our roster, probably two. Unless we go there early (as in 2nd Rd) OT seems the most likely place we fall short. There just isn't much depth in this years rookie class and with all the needs we have on this roster we need to be in BPA mode well into day 3. In Rd 4 it is quite likely we can draft a TE, CB, and maybe a WR (like Switzer) with the potential to be a legit starter in the NFL. Rd 4 and beyond has OT prospects with ceilings that are most likely as a career backup. I'd be surprised if anyone who has watched Julien Davenport's film didn't come away thinking they had watched some clips of Leno or Massie in pass protection. Plus, when we have drafts like this where there is a shortage of talent at a very key position then NFL teams usually reach earlier for the best prospects. Garrett Bolles may have a 2nd Rd grade but I highly doubt he's available after day 1. That reaching may carry into 3rd Rd prospects such as Garcia being taken in the late 2nd Rd. Reality is you can reach on that OT early and still find a decent CB, WR, TE, DL afterward. Doing the reverse won't pan out so well. If we haven't drafted an OT in the top 3 Rds, then we will be better off picking up someone's veteran OT castoff rather than depending on these rookies. Pick up the pieces next year. Putting the right rookie TE out there will help our OTs (and offense) far more than any of the late Rd OTs.
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Our defense was pretty good for most of last year. I'm not too worried about that as long as we make a couple good additions via the draft. If we do that we should finally start seeing legitimate depth where we can overcome a few injuries. Offense is a different story mainly because of the QB question. We know White was improving week to week before the broken leg so we can reasonably expect that process will continue this season. This time around White's broken leg was caused by a LB twisting it and sitting on it. Miller's broken foot was solely because JPP stepped on it while he was blocking him. Those injuries have their own recovery concerns but they are different from injuries like Trevathan's or Garza's where nobody was touching them when they went down, or Jeffrey's non-stop hamstring/calf issues. Regardless, the bottom line on offense is that nobody has a clue how Glennon will turn out.
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I'm surprised the Packers would spend $3mil for a backup run stuffer. The Bears OTOH would seem more likely to have paid that price. Whatever value Pace sets for a player he isn't going to move too far off that mark just to get him to sign. For a man leading a 3-13 team there is no desperation in his moves.
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This sucks. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1...c4-a8bc949aa82f
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Absolutely but this is always a great discussion thread. I have no issue dumping a 5th Rd RB for a 5th Rd DE. Jarron Jones who has 1st Rd athletic talent and high 1st Rd bust potential could easily be there in the 5th for us. That's not a bad spot to take a chance on him. You could just as easily take a DE in the 4th Rd and TE in the 5th. I just don't see a point where Best Available fits Boulware in the 5th Rd when there will be better talent at either of these three positions still on the board: RB, TE, DE. I realize I'm in the minority on RB here but there was too big of a dropoff when either Carey (3.9ypc but little value on special teams and his running style often results in injury) or Langford (just 3.2ypc in 2016) were on the field last year. I don't want to be in that spot again and then we end up wearing out a very valuable player in Howard with too many carries. I want some insurance against having the need to run Howard into the ground just so we can get into the playoffs, or if by some miracle we get there, I want Howard fully ready to go. Again, we have questions at WR and QB so we need to ensure we have a consistently successful running game every week.
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Except SF may take Thomas. They have issues they have to sort out among the two former 1st Rd picks: Where do they play in a 4-3? If they both get moved outside to DE then Allen is by far the better fit for their need. Perhaps the bigger question is how much their GM John Lynch values having an elite safety to organize the back end of the defense and could they take Adams?
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That would be interesting. I liked him on the outside but he certainly has the length Fangio covets inside. He's got to learn to play a lot lower than he's used to on the edge.
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I hate making too much off of highlights but it appears he's better reading blocks in traffic than either Carey or Langford. On the other hand does he always dance around like that? Add in his special teams return skills and at a minimum it puts Carey in danger of losing a roster spot. IMO for a player with 4 years in the league there's not enough here to preclude us from drafting a RB. http://www.nfl.com/player/bennycunningham/2541544/profile
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Hopefully nothing more than a potential camp arm.
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1) I definitely have concerns about Allen's shoulders holding up in the NFL. He's not the biggest man and although he has very good movement skills he isn't going to win with elite quickness off the snap. Playing with leverage will be how he wins in the trenches. 2) Mahomes is definitely Cutleresque but I believe he has the work ethic to eventually build on his natural talents into a starter. 3) Secondary is not as big of a concern but I'd love to add a starting caliber talent in this draft. 4) TE is less of a need for me mostly because I'm higher on Brown than others, but if the value is there late in the draft roll with it. On the draft picks: 1st Rd I like Adams, no secret there. I think he offers the physical nature around the LOS that you can get with a guy like Peppers, but also has enough coverage skills to match up on TEs or even some RBs. His leadership is needed in our secondary. 2nd Rd Kizer in Rd 2 is good value IMO. 3rd Rd Que Pasa in Rd 3 is too early. Especially since we're at the front of the round. Give me a WR here and there are many good options. 4th Rd Sidney Jones = perfect 4th Rd Jordan Leggett good value 5th Rd Boulware is a wasted pick. If you want him wait until he's a UDFA and pick him up. Where this team talentwise on our day 3 picks we need to find players with higher upside than someone like Boulware who at his absolute best will never be more than a career backup special teams player. When your roster is flush with good talent and you want to add a hard nosed character guy to the locker room then you take a flyer on Boulware. For now, with the 5th Rd pick I'll take Brian Hill RB as he'll contribute this year. I've already outlined why I want to add RB competition to find a good backup to share the load with Howard. 7th Rd Banner seems like he's too slow to ever succeed at OT, even on the right side. How about Ugokwe who is a project but has enough upside to eventually be a starter? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...86/jerry-ugokwe
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Other than Garrett, who won't be there at #3, I still don't see the player who teams will trade up for. For every player we're talking about there is a counterpart right behind them that is a very good consolation prize and they'll get to keep their 2nd Rd pick. Adams/Hooker Allen/Thomas Foster/Reddick
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/843888880659193858 I'd think this is due diligence on a trade down. OTOH if there is a team in the top 10 that really wants Foster this might make them a little more likely to trade up for him.
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Yes I meant 4-man front. We are in nickel a lot, all teams are in the NFL these days so we might as well call our NB a starter.
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No deal was reached and RJF is headed to his next visit in Seattle.
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Any word on Ricky Jean-Francois? I think he'd be a great signing to add depth on our Dline. We're talking about a guy to replace Washington, Unrein, or challenge Bullard. https://twitter.com/Rbjf_99/status/843233508181053440 http://nfltraderumors.co/free-agent-dt-ric...eahawks-sunday/
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We are in a 4-3 front about 60% of the time. At that point our LDEs are Willie Young 258lbs, McPhee 273lbs, Houston 274lbs. I don't see why Thomas doesn't fit right in.