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Speaking of superstition back in the 70's the Bears had a helluva cover corner named Alan Ellis who wore number 48 and he tangled feet with a WR named Bo Rather who wore number 80 at practice and tore up his knee so that has been a real interesting number. There is even some defensive players who have wore the number.

I wouldn't settle for Ricky Watts who was supposedly launched by Ditka for having a Cognac bottle in his locker after a game that the Bears lost.

No since all this would be about guys in your region we would be gathering data about certain players and then like Pix posted we would need someone to edit our data. For instance I can't remember if you were a Purdue fan or not but I can see you maybe being a little more focused on that programs pro prospects. I for example attended Western Illinois for a couple of years so I always keep an eye on the Leatherneck prospects like this year Jason Williams the fas LB the Cowboys drafted and RB Herb Donaldson who to this point I'm not sure who he signed with. This program has produced Steelers Safety Mike Wagner in the 70's, Bryan Cox and Aaron Stecker. I would want you to do a bio of as many guys you wish and there may be more than one bio about a player and we could do a Kiper-McShay type of thing and list the bio from both guys or even a few guys. Generally you know there may be a slight difference of opinion from two perspectives of someone you have a gauge on. But in most cases the difference could be resolved with the an impartial party(editor) who can make an assessment based on the information provided by whoever. In my case I didn't have to edit anything because it was my point of view.

Guys thanks for the positive response because unlike some of you I didn't play organized football and have actually played baseball and ran track in high school but have been a football fan since the mid 60's. Since the 70's I have been a big fan of the draft and now I'm obsessed with it. I have a job that has me clocked in at 4am and home by noon most of the time so on Saturdays after work I would slumped in front of the TV watching the college games from that time until I fall asleep at night. Some Saturdays I have viewed parts of 8 games from various networks from CBS, ABC, ESPN,FSN,BTN(Big 10) and VS. A lot of these players I have actually seen play live but I'm not going to lie and say I saw a Johnny Knox or a Jarron Gilbert play but guys like Big Ben, Byron Leftwich,Tony Schefler,Chad Pennington,Greg Jennings and even PJ Pope. I saw play because this area gets quite a few MAC games. What I have in mind has to be totally from eveyrone's perspective for example: I consider myself a couch potato so my guide that I have been giving my friends has been titled The Couch Potato Scout's Draft Guide. My whole concept is that I make some football related comments but most are like I'm sitting in a room full of guys drinking beers saying man dis guyz pretty good. This way I get to follow something I love and talk about it in my language. I could careless if a 300 lb lineman can run 40 yards. Just get in the way of someone for about 5 and1/2 and let the RB shoot past you. Here's what I say about the number one overall pick: Matthew Stafford 6-2 230 Georgia He is the best in a weak group and he is an underclassman. He can make all the throws and is a great leader. he is very confident and tends to think his arm will win every challenge. Underclassman QBs tend to struggle in the NFL. Buyer Beware! I say we do this with no regards to grammar, sentence structure or whatever just say what you feel about a player. I always start my intense research around bowl game time and cap things of with the Combine and internet reports from the pro days. I'm a big advocate of watching Senior Bowl practice because it is conducted by NFL teams and I like watching the East-West Shrine game also. I avoid putting 40 times in because theris sometimes tremendous differences between Combine times and pro day times so I took that out of my guide but I do make reference to a guy if he ran the fastest time at the Combine or if he had a blistering time at his pro day with the comment his stock rose after he ran a xyz at his pro day or at the Combine. Guys I think we can do this and it will be a lot of fun.

I remember back in the day they had a video of Perry at 300+ jumping up form the floor onto a table. That was 24 years ago. Also we didn't need NFL security to report on Perry's campus exploits. He reportedly consumed 33 beers in one sitting. Lets keep in mind that Fridge was considered overweight most of his career but with the Bears his weight was never over 350. Now we have 300 pound fullbacks in the league. And 260 pound QBs.

I guess thats why you are Mad! Very Funny!

I've been talking Bears and football with you guys for aprox. 6 years on 2 sites and know that I would follow you guys to the end of the internet LOL. For the past 5 years during draft time I have been producing a little generic draft guide based on what I can see on my TV during games and workouts that I can view. Thats why my partipation on this site during draft time has dwindled. I'm busy compiling my unscientific research typing it into my computer and then printing up a few copies for my co workers so they can follow the draft a little better than they would be able to through the newspapers they find in our lunchroom. So what I'm asking is why not all of us who like this site and love evaluating talent each start contributing to a draft prospect thread at this time of year every year. Though we may not agree on every aspect of a prospects ability we can have some much more informed debates and we can have the satisfaction of doing are own evaluations. I always take you guys tips and comments under consideration when I produce my free guide. The way I do this is unique because I just type it like the guy sitting on the bar stool who loves football btu I clean up the language. LOL Let me know what you guys think about doing this.

If I had to guess the number to be changed I would guess Johnny Knox wearing 13 unless he is in the minority of those that don't think the number is unlucky.

Supposedly in the Cover 2 the perfect trio would be 3 WLB type LB's according to Lovie. They are supposed to be interchangeable as is the safeties. Thats what I'm getting at. I once remember you saying that if Briggs wasn't playing next to Urlacher he wouldn't be that good. I guess you've changed that stance. I not trying to go contrary to your thoughts but agree with just a litlle different spin on things. For instance you tried to match up body types and 40 times I tried to take players from the same program or a similar draft position or the prototype for the Bears' scheme. Like Iglesias,Bradley and Clayton all former Sooners and Freeman and Diggs from Ohio State. Afalava to Lynch who along with Bob Sanders are both the Best safeties who have recently played in the cover 2 and Kinder and Colston who were both drafted late in the 7th round. As for B-Robs athletic ability all I know is when the Bears went to Green Bay the weekend of Payton's death he was athletic enough to block a kick and preserve a rare win at Lambeau during those days. Being athletic at San Jose State or in a swimming pool doesn't translate to Richard Seymour IMO. Mathis couldn't do jack because he got injured. Barwin's sacks were in the Big East which to me had only a couple of good teams with Cinci being one of them. Maybe I should find out how he fared against OT prospect Beatty at UConn. I think both he and Melton should be interesting studies in the coming years. This doesn't mean that I think that was a good pick because I don't. If they are looking for insurance against losing one of the DEs on the roster then I think they should have gotten a more game ready player. Lets also add Illinois' Will Davis to the list of guys that switched from offense to DE. This one started off at WR and TE and was awesome in their Rose Bowl year but slacked off in his senior year because teams knew more about him and schemed for him.

I keep seeing comments about redzone targets the Bears should go out and get. What the heck is Olsen and Clark? After seeing Cutler highlight TDs with Tony Schefler don't you think we have 2 decent redzone targets on the roster? I love the thought of Cutler drilling the ball in the endzone to either one of these guys. This team played with two TEs a lot so I don't see them going completely away from that. Olsen split out wide would be the same as Jurevicuos except with younger legs and better health. The issue with Plaxico is not the suspension its his sentence for having the unregistered gun that carries minimum 3 year jail term and the New York mayor making noise about no one is above the law. That doesn't sound like he's getting off scott-free.There will be pressure on prosecutors to bring back a conviction with jail time.

I have to disagree about your thoughts about Alex Brown. Coming out of Florida Alex Brown was a great pass rusher and was considered lacks in the run game. I can remember watching him wearing number 13 constantly staying in the backfield. I you are comparing him to Brown now you get no arguement out of me. Brown was an all SEC player and Melton is strictly a project and I can't really compare him to any current NFL player who scored touchdowns his first two years at college and then went to defensive end.

Nfo I can pretty much agree with your assessments I might tweek just a couple by comparing Iglesias to Mark Bradley by saying he is not is fast but may be tougher and a better route runner maybe even simlar to another former Sooner Mark Clayton. When I think of Freeman I think of N'all Diggs another former Buckeye.Btw this pick seemed oddly similar to Lance Briggs also.I hear a lot of talk about moving other players but do they think Briggs can play the SLB? I do. Melton still has me wanting to compare him to Texans 2nd round pick Conner Barwin who has about the same amount of experience at the position DJ Moore reminds me a lot of Ahmad Plummer Johnny Knox reminds me of a prospect that came out a couple of years ago out of Hampton named Jerome Mathis who the Texans took in the mid rounds an he made an impact as a rookie in the return game. I can only hope that the Bears have found a John Lynch in Afalava. If Kinder can duplicate Marcus Colston numbers I'll be happy. I had to think about this a bit but Gilbert reminds me of B-Rob. I always thought he should have played inside and never at DE because he wasn't quick enough and he seemed to take plays off at times which seems to be one of the knocks on Gilbert(He doesn't bring it on every play) Thats kind of a similar comment to what was said about Alex Brown coming out.

Mad L thats what I'm saying.I think its put up shut up for the whole bunch. If I had to make a judgement on one in particular its Drake the WR coach who I think is stealing. I look at his prized pupil Roy Williams and see his development in the NFL and understand why the Bears are having trouble developing WRs. I also point to Turner also who had trouble earlier when he was here with Wannie. Marcus Robinson was not developed under Turner and he turned out to be a game breaker.

I'll put it this way Plaxico is very talented but it is not clear that he won't be locked up or free. Until that is decided it is pointless to talk about him. There is going to be speculation on whether he will be suspended by the commish etc. This team doesn't need that kind of attention on it. All eyes are going to be on Cutler to begin with let him get his number one WR from college up to speed and see what happens. I just remember what happened with Tank while he was on trial and it basically was a circus.

I wanna see how Melton's career goes versus Mr. Versatile Conner Barwin who is also a guy who has limited experience at his drafted position. I think these are similar players who's careers have followed similar paths. The other thing I want to say is that quite a few on the Bears coaching staff are on notice in mye eyes. Turner just be cause of the arrival of Cutler Drake because he really hasn't developed any WR in his tenure and now has 3 more prospects under his tutelage Marinelli because every one is expecting him to be the D-line Messiah Lovie who is taking over calling plays this year should have the bullseye on all year.

Since CBS has been regularly showing SEC games usuaully you get to see one or two Vandy games nationally a year but last year's game against Auburn was a good one to watch.

First of all I have to say that I think that Rashied Davis should be on the bubble when he arrives at TC. After he dropped so many catchable passes last season he needs to compete for a roster spot. Second I believe that the quickest way for a rookie to make an impact is on returns and that is why my pick is Johnny Knox. He is one of the guys that I thought the Bears would target all along so I have to stick with him. Third and final I do believe that Lovie was not happy with the product of the SLB which is why Hunter was replaced by Roach when he was injured. Usually starters never lose their jobs due to injury. Hunter did. I felt Roach was nothing special so I think that a prospect like Freeman has a chance.

I'm trying to figure out why Louis would be competition for Davis when he was an OG in college which means he would be a project at the position.

Sutherland is coming off a broken foot and must prove he is healthy. I would like them to go after Javorskie Lane. Who can be a relief as a ball carrier for Forte.

I would prefer to see a younger player learn the position than switch one of these veterans. The Bears seem to be trying to keep in mind that they go up against teams that are going to be using 3 WR sets. They have drafted 4CBs in the last 3 drafts which tells me they are trying to do something to a couple of veterans on this team.

The fact that one of the best talent evaluators in the NFL Belichick moved down often in this draft told me that something was wrong with the talent in this draft.We passed on some guys but so did a lot of other teams did too. Watching Quan Cosby with Bill Cosby on ESPN not get drafted was really uncomfortable to watch.

I couldn't have said it any better.I took the weekend off just to watch this and talk with family and friends about this draft and I feel like I have been at work instead.

I know what you mean. I have a lot of respect for JA in the 4th,5th and 6th rounds for the guys. Regardless of what we want one of JA's 4th rounders netted this team Jay Cutler. and that's Orton.

My question to you is, how often has JA drafted o-linemen? Not very often. He chooses to go after veteran guys on the o-line. What happened today is nothing new. After over 40 years of watching Bears drafts and wondering what the Hell they were doing. We all think that JA is bad but Papa Bear made a lot of questionable moves and until his son Mugsie got involved bringing in Jim Finks we would have been struggling for decades. Lets take this for what it is until we see the players on the field. Btw Louis was an OG in college and the Bears projsect him to TE.

I'll put it this way,Devin Hester made an impact immediately on returns and I believe Knox is going to be utilized there first. I also remember Berrian catching a TD from Krentzel in his first year. If Knox gives 2 or 3 TDs his first season I think that would be more than I expect.