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Jordan Travis = the next Brock Purdy. ?

And to Jason’s point; like 1(2) or 1(11)?

Like your line of thinking Lemon. Except I would hope the team wouldn’t have to decline Justin’s fifth year. ??

Good article and plays to what a few other players have said like Dj Moore, Chris Olave and Jaxson Smith-Njigba (all current WRs in the league by the way). Another thing that I forget about was how Fields didn’t really have a full season this year. The reason being was due to him dislocating the thumb on his throwing hand. And when you consider what the guy said in your article and he thought Justin ‘improved as the season wore on’, that to me seems pretty significant.

A few weeks ago Adam posted something about the likelihood of 1st round picks at QB were to win a Super Bowl. While I was reading up on that (and being a contrarian by nature - lol) I found the article listed below. It highlights how many ‘QBs picked in the 1st round overall have won a Super Bowl’ and came up with eight. For some reason they didn’t include Joe Namath who won it in ‘69 and was written before Stafford won his first a few years ago (and the first time #1s overall faced each other with he and Burrow). So technically, there would be 10. On that ‘list of 8’ includes the Mannings, Bradshaw, Aikman and Plunkett. It also includes two others who were backups when they ‘won’ in David Carr and Drew Bledsoe. So the question I have is how common is it really to have a ‘1st round overall QB win a Super Bowl’? And go one step further in adding, with their original team (Stafford)? https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/only-these-8-nfl-quarterbacks-drafted-no-1-overall-won-a-super-bowl-ring/

I didn’t really use any stats to “suit my narrative”. I simply shared the same stats for Fields as Adam posted for Williams (while both were playing in college) and found both to have very similar results. In fact if there was a consensus to be made, some would say Fields regressed after coming into the NFL…and probably because of the aforementioned shite situation he faced in Chicago. Be that as it may, I disagree that there is a “consensus” on how special and can’t miss that Williams is. For every Williams supporter there is at least one Merril Hoge who will say he “isn’t special”. So far most of what I’ve seen whether it be former and current players and execs, the so-called “experts” and those of us keyboard GMs (social media etc), it’s been pretty 50/50 on whether Justin will stay or go. If anything I’d say there is a consensus among the Fields’ supporters he stay and a consensus among the Williams supporters he won’t.

But if everything goes as planned and a higher percentage of your 1st and 2nd round draftees do well, and your team does well some of those players become trade bait for future 1st - 2nd round picks (ala Patriot-way) and thus “resetting the contract clock” on a bunch of players. IE: Justin himself a former 1st round pick could theoretically net at least one 2nd round pick and some even think 1st round.

So the moral of the story is, don’t draft first round players with the intent to win a Super Bowl. But instead wait until their 4-5th year (or later) to sign them and then make the run? ??

Indeed. Just as the recent 'discussion' we had that reflected that aside from the passing yardage, both Williams and Fields collegiate stats were pretty similar. And at the risk of going on "ad nauseum" I'd still give the favorable lean to Justin due to his reaching the college playoffs and playing pretty well while doing so (I know, no surprise). That being said, I'm beginning to resign myself to the idea that Justin will be traded. Obviously I still think it'll be a mistake and we'll end up regretting it but only time will prove me wrong or right. I'm of the mindset like Merrill Hoge that Williams is "nothing special" and so far the projections are not showing anything to make me say "wow, this is the guy we need". A big reason I'm not on the Williams bandwagon is that I feel there is much more value in trading the #1 for more parts and pieces to build the team (around either Justin or a later picked QB). Earlier today I watched a video that was doing an analysis of the potential trade of Justin and it involved a panel of four to include Louis Riddick. He said something I've heard here and agree with, that being: "Justin was not set up to succeed (in Chicago)". And added that the "rationale (of we already know Justin Fields compared to what Williams could do) is not a direct correlation." Oddly enough Riddick was defending the idea of keeping Justin as recent as three weeks ago. Now he said he feels Justin would excel with either Pittsburgh or more likely in Atlanta. And that's what concerns me.

DJ continuing to make the rounds. This time with Mike Florio and Chris Simms. He goes “definitely on record” with keeping Justin. And Ashkum, drops a hint about the commercial. ?

JSN and Chris Olave talk Waldron, Fields and MHJ.

Not sure I would consider Justin a "bust" but evidently many do because they want to replace him with Williams: Fields collegiate career: 67-9 TD-IN ratio with 19 additional rushing TDs PCT: 69.2<67.2>70.2 Y/A: 8.4>9.2>9.3 QB Rating: 173.7>181.4<175.6 (some of these are better than Caleb’s). Taking into consideration (as you pointed out) the COVID shortened 2020 season where he played 8 games (his last year in college) And here's this (found a post on Reddit from a USC/Bears fan) with stats for their respective last seasons in college: Baker Mayfield: 285 comp 404 attempts 70.5 comp % 4627 yards 43 TDs 6 INTs 198.9 Rating Kyler Murray : 260 comp 377 attempts 69.0 comp % 4361 yards 42 TDs 7 INTs 199.2 Rating Caleb Williams : 333 comp 500 attempts 66.6 comp % 4537 yards 42 TDs 5 INTs 168.5 Rating (*this was from his second season where he won the Heisman. He actually regressed during this last season). What's the common denominator for all three? Here's another clue: Miller Moss played in place of Williams during the Holiday Bowl and had 23/33 for 372 yards with 6 TDS and 1 INT Maybe Moss will be the next "generational talent"?

Unfortunately i have to agree with you on this. I’ll go a step further and say we’ll regret it if we trade away Justin.

He’s been brought up before as a potential pickup for Chicago. I for one would be great with it. But would Minny want to trade him in the division?

Was making the playoffs one time a measure for success? Then if Murray makes it doesn’t Trubiksy? ??‍♂️ Yes I'm being indignant. Blame Denail Brewing Mother Ale. And that I tweaked my back a few days ago. lol.

I have questions. Do you mean by QB2 to mean QBs that are selected in the 1st round but #2 overall? And QB5s would be first round but later; Jackson #32 and Jones #15? When you say "hit rate" I would assume to the team they were drafted to? Love could still make the case to be a "hit" for GB as they did make it to the playoffs his first season. Just like Stroud could be considered a "miss" because like Love, although he made the playoffs they were out in early rounds. Richardson (Indy) is still too early to call since his rookie season was derailed by injury. And if you're simply referring to the player, then a case could be made for Mayfield finding a home in TB even though things didn't work out in Cleveland. Similar to Flacco finding a resurgence (but from the draft in 2008 and outside your parameters). Was Goff a "hit" for LA or as the player in Detroit?

DJ Moore, again. Talks about his choice for what to do at #1 (2:45) and what his feedback was for the exit interviews.

Merril Hoge’s take on Fields vs Williams. At 4:30 mark if it doesn’t start there.

Sure, but why more wins with Justin than with another QB? More resources around him?

And if that other QB turns out a flop?

Color me intrigued. ❓

Kay Adams interviews DJ Moore. Talk about Shane Waldron and Justin.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/08/bears-cole-kmet-broke-right-forearm-in-season-finale-but-kept-playing-anyway/

Sadly I think (our) Mongo is right. From what i read he’s been back home since early August where Jarrett Payton was seen visiting with him (below). McMichael’s wife Misty said she hopes he lives long for the ceremony but has already been working on his speech. And has managed so far to say “Thank you Chicago.”

I believe it’s dated from last February (2023). It was regarding last year’s #1 overall. Saw the same one yesterday.