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Since we're dealing in hypotheticals, Waldron installed a few of his 'own guys' by bringing over Chad Morton (RB coach) and Kerry Joseph (QB coach). I would think that of the two, Joseph might be in line more for the OC position if either of what you suggest were to occur (Waldron becomes Bears HC or goes somewhere else). ?‍♂️

Probably a combination of both. As you said before the version of the Hackett/Getsy offense is more complicated for the rookie (younger QBs) aka Fields who was in year one of learning it last year. Love has not only had the benefit of watching Aaron Rodgers play but he also had three years to do it. Now the question will be, similar to how CJ Stroud came out of the gate hot, will Love also be able to maintain it? This I think is the key. For Love in GB and with Waldron for 'whomever' it ends up being in Chicago. Waldron, like LaFleur comes from a more reputable 'coaching tree' with the commonality being Kyle Shannahan - Sean McVay. Evidently from an article I read (link below) Waldron not only worked with McVay but when he started out he was in the NE system (up to TE coach) while Belichick was still there before moving to Washington where he joined McVay. When McVay left Waldron followed him to LA. From there we know about his moving to Seattle to work with Pete Carroll. Waldron seems to have more bonafides (at least on paper) and in some product with the rebirth of Geno Smith. https://beargoggleson.com/posts/shane-waldron-checks-all-the-important-boxes-for-chicago-bears/3

And if Poles decides, after assessing the draft talent, to stick with Justin for at least one more year? ?

And maybe the fans too. ?‍♂️(Source CorStrategies Jan 17, 2024): Roughly tracks what I've been seeing on social media.

The new asst oline coach who came by way of the Titans may help too.

Nathanial Hackett was another indicator of that. Failed in Denver after one year and is struggling in NJ without Rodgers playing.

Was thinking the oddity of these highly touted OCs not taking HC gigs elsewhere and how Bill Belichick is still sitting out there unemployed. Meanwhile, as Stinger reported earlier, it appears we’ll get at least one more year with Ian Cunningham. Which to me is a good thing. He and Poles have been spotted heavily scouting the Senior Bowl together.

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That answers that.... I never looked good in a cardigan anyhow.

Some may call me an antagonist, I will call you delirious! ? Maye has played in the system that Mack Brown built. Brown also produced QBs like Vince Young, Colt McCoy, Major Applewhite, Chris Simms and RB Cedric Benson while he was HC for Texas. In the three (?) years Maye has been with the Tarheels in the powerhouse ACC, he's only eclipsed Trubisky in passing yardage his second year (2022 -4,321) to Trubisky's last year (2016-3,748). Otherwise last season Maye produced 3,608 passing yards and only played 12 games(?) versus 14 the previous year. Outisde of that, Maye has more total rush yards than does Trubisky (1,209 to Mitch's 439). But then, I thought we were trying to avoid a running QB? I've said it once...he wears #10 and is clad in the same powder blue as the former Mr. Ohio. I feel like we're re-enacting a Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe discussion. ?

Valid question. Here’s some background info that might help.

I would normally agree but whenever I hear offensive minded coaches in Bears recent history I can't help but cringe as Nagy and Trestman first come to mind. Maybe we go the Baltimore route next time and hire an HC with a ST background like Dave Toub? ?‍♂️

I am at about the same but not at #1. Signed...the "antagonist". ?

I'd be great with that. And/or in the second (as Stinger suggests). Get your "haul" for the #1 overall maybe even move back before #9 and get MHJ someway...somehow. The more I hear "experts" talk the more convinced I am that MHJ is probably the only real "generational" talent in this draft.

Another couple sources. 1) Author Cam Mellor on CFN (dated 23 November 23) has Bo Nix as #1 and Williams #4 overall. From what I read in his article Cam appears to do more 'eye testing' than mega stat gathering. https://collegefootballnetwork.com/top-college-football-quarterback-rankings-2023/ 2) From SportsNaught author Andrew Buller-Russ (dated 02 December) has Daniels #1, Nix #2 and Williams #3. Maye is #6 on this list. https://sportsnaut.com/top-college-football-quarterbacks/ 3) Lastly, this article from Nick Shultz (dated 23 Dec 23) lists Williams as #1, Maye #2 and Nix at #6 but adds "He (Nix) was the most accurate passer in the country during the regular season..." and "Nix completed an FBS-leading 77.2% of his passes during the regular season..." https://www.on3.com/pro/news/2024-nfl-draft-espn-ranks-top-12-college-football-qbs-quarterback-caleb-williams-drake-maye-jayden-daniels/ Goes to show you how many different opinions you can get as we head deep into draft season.

From Wikipedia: "USC defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox, who recruited Darnold to the school, wanted him to play linebacker before he declined."

I checked out the post and saw that our old pal Swifty posted his own chart (below). I also asked “Joe” if he’s done these for past QB draft classes. I’d like to see that.

I didn’t remember so I had to look it up. Did you know he was recruited by one of the defensive coaches to play linebacker?

Saw this on Facebook with the commentary: ‘Of the 13 QBs chosen in the 2018 draft, Sam Darnold will be the first to go to the Super Bowl.’ Crazy.

I think he’s more Madden like in that he’s not so much the strategist than he is the old school smash mouth style of football guy (which I’m a huge fan of). How many times did we hear Greg Olsen comment on how it was assumed that every time the Lions were short and 4th down Campbell was the guy that would go for it? He’s been doing that for how long? And because he stuck to that “script” and believed he could do it again, he’s now all of sudden being questioned for it. It’s a live by the sword die by it mentality. If he’d been successful and ended up eventually winning, we’d be having a different conversation. Going back to the exchange I had with Adam about levels of experience. When you have a handful of guys who have 7 playoff games among them versus another handful of guys that have 10 times as many, experience will mostly win in those situations. I’d be surprised if Campbell continues making those calls as predictable going forward.

In three years Campbell and the Lions progressively got better. There is 'enough tape' on them that after year two other teams could've/should've figured out how to beat them. They didn't (at least not 12 times). Now if Johnson leaves and the team dips to 'only' 9 wins we'll have to see what played into the 'downfall' (injuries etc) but i suspect Campbell will be around for awhile. He's the "best" they've had in awhile. I was replaying the game yesterday in my head and it seemed SF made some adjustments after halftime to overcome their 17 point deficit. That and they got awful lucky with some penalties (against the Lions) and that one pass that Aiyuk caught late in the game was pure luck. Had Vildor not been there and kept the ball alive with his facemask, Aiyuk would've never caught it.

Agree. I wonder if because Urlacher being a converted Safety made any difference in his pass coverage than say does Edmunds? The most (INTs) that Urlacher ever got was 5 in one season. Edmunds' only other season where he had multiple INTs was his rookie season (2) before getting 4 this year.

In no way would I endorse Campbell as the "second coming" but I could say the Lions have had decent players over the years and not go as far they did this year. Look at when Stafford was playing and had Megatron to throw to. In that time Jim Caldwell was their HC where he compiled a record of 36-28 and all they managed to do was lose twice in the WC round. Stafford threw for at least 4,000 yards each of the years Caldwell was HC by the by. Goff has only had four 4,000 yard seasons - and two of those were his last two in Detroit. Remember Jim Bob Cooter? He was the OC for Detroit halfway through the season in Caldwell's second season there. JBC reminded me a lot of Johnson with the hype surrounding him at the time. So maybe its the players? Stafford goes to LA and the first year with them wins the Super Bowl. Only three years before that the Rams made it to the SB and lost while Goff was their QB. Point here is that McVay is probably a better overall HC than Campbell but couldn't get it done with Goff...

If I remember right they essentially paid for Edmunds and Edwards what Baltimore did for Smith. ?

A coach who led his team to the playoffs for the first time in 50 years and one game from the Super Bowl “overrated”? If only we had that sorta luck. ?? Yeah he screwed the pooch in not going for three when he should have but he’s been lauded plenty of times for being aggressive when others play more traditional. That was inexperience more than anything. Saw a graphic during the game that showed the Lions having players with 7 total playoff games amongst them versus like 70-80 for the 9’ers.