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Oooh, that's cold. Just think Theisman and Montana. The odds are in our favor. To answer my own question, I'd maybe wait to make a play for Quinn that at the last minute if needed. If Anderson comes out firing, Quinns hold to the Brown's goes away. Cleveland would then cherish the extra picks. Money in the bank is usually better than speculated money.

He didn't draft all of the, but he was responsible for their presence. Don't forget Gould and Ogun were damn good pickups.

I caught draft recap with Dan Pompeii and he was saying the same thing regarding intelligence. He also went to say he had Williams as the #2 OT in the draft. He said, Williams won't be the physical specimen you go crazy over, but his technique and ability to play are superior.

I like your comparison to Cromartie and honestly he compares physically to him. Bowman also finished up the year with a strong Bowl game, giving teams a snippet of his ability. One last thing, scouts are saying the same thing about Bowman as they did Peanut. He can become a very good FS if he doesn't make it as a corner. Isn't that the position we are desparate to upgrade? D Manning has no instincts and M Brown is all instincts and no consistent health. Bowman, only if healthy, has good instincts and superior athleticism to both. I'm all in for this pick in the 5th.

All right, this is just for fun… Here are the scenario’s: 1) Trade future picks for Brady Quinn. What would it take? Maybe a 1st and a 4th. 2) Grab a veteran FA. I’ve heard Simms potentially mentioned, but Culpepper looks to be finally healthy. Here’s the ceiling and floor of it all. Quinn is an unknown by NFL standards, yet has the ability to become the franchise QB we have been dreaming of for decades. Pepp and Simms are damaged goods, but have the ability to become serviceable stop gaps with arguable skills possibly not adding up to Orton and Rex. You are the GM and the clock is ticking…

Totally agree! There are hanful of QB's out there that are great on their own. Outside of that, they need help. It usually starts with a good to great OL, running game and a good defense. The QB's, TE's and WR's will become better as the sum of all parts are better.

A video is out on ESPN.com with Mel Kiper and Todd McShay discussing the draft. Surprisingly, Kiper picked the Bears as the team that helped itself the most for this year. He also said we had the best UDFA signing in Caleb Hanie, saying he has an NFL arm and could be a quality starter in the future. You know me, I could give a crap what Kiper says, but it was nice to see the good pub.

So drafting starters is short sighted??? That's what GM's get paid to do. You are killing me here. All GM's draft as if their life depended upon it. Only when you are on-lineHe said he thought the Safety could be a starter. He called the QB backup material. He went on to say the QB's were mediocre this year. Stop looking for the magic bullet.

That was my whole pretense for calling BS on King. He said we were one of 3 teams he didn't like in the draft. No way were even bottom half.

One - He has a steel plate in his lower ankle. Two - His carreer is on thin ice anyway. Three - the Bears are pathological liars when it comes to injuries. IE: Rueben Brown and others. Four - Lovie and JA have both called out Benson this off season. Why? Is he not re-habbing as well as he should. Is his psyche fragile and he's needing a kick in the ass. Have the doctors said he could have lost a step. FYI - I have heard medical opinion on this type injury. Not Benson's specifically, but very similar instances. Ankle flexion can be lost, as well as stability causing the delicate balance of power and nimbleness to be compromised. You say we have two young, healthy QBs. I say we have two unproven QBs who are not locked up for the long term. Our QBs position has been a question mark (at best) for a long time, and we have yet to see anything from Rex or Orton that should lead us to believe the position is solid. I am not saying we should believe Benson is a stud. My point is w/ the idea that we needed a RB more than a QB. How long have we searched for a QB? Who doesn't want it fixed? I just don't agree there was any future help past the 3rd round. Tad? That's like you claiming you could have turned the Titanic with a squirt gun. Still no. Hell no. Safety is easier to draft and expect to contribute on special teams, especially in the 4th round. Question. Who would you have drafted past the 3rd? Do you really feel Forte will contribute less than a QB would? Or do simply desire us to trade some picks to the 2nd and get Henne / Brohm?

Foolishness huh? How about thinking QB is our greatest need? I haven't ever disagreed more with you or anyone else who thinks QB was our greatest need going into to this draft. No shit. Everyone thought it got addressed with Griese 2 yesrs ago. Remember when we went to the SuperBowl? Let me ask you a question. Was it bad draft because we didn't get a QB? IMO - saying yes is ignorant.

I have no problem with King critcizing us for drafting a QB. I have stated in other posts that was wishing for Henne, somehow. But, in no means should the Bears draft be panned for NOT drafting a QB. Past Henne and Brohm, who could have helped us in the 3rd? IMO - it's bullshit, because the Bears solidly met offensive needs with their 1st 3 picks. Plus, free agency is not done yet.

Pass the kool-aid Wesson!! Seriously, sometimes OL's take years to gell. With 40% changeover and Tait moving back to right may be a stumbling block. My hope is that Miller was so bad and Brown was so hurt it won't matter. The key is Williams. If he is a player, it works. If not, we'll be drafting early next year. I'm on the half full side. Totally agreed on the D, especially if M. Brown can contribute.

Thank you! The title was quite enough. I'm looking for a possible starting OG, backup OT and 3rd QB. Possibly a WR, if they are high enough caliber.

Here's my thoughts for what they are worth. We fixed every aspect on the team via the draft, except QB. So, my thinking is that JA and Co think that we are still in the window of opportunity. They saw Tom Brady look like anything but Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Why? Because Tom Brady was on his back. Similarities exist with any QB we threw out there last year. What I'm saying is, any QB looks normal if his support is not there. They drafted an LT that essentially strengthens 2 OL spots. They draft the best blocking RB in the entire draft, thus protecting the QB more. The added bonus is that Forte is rated as a complete 3 down package and we don't know what's going on with Benson. They drafted WR in the 3rd because we lost Moose and Berrian. Berrian really hurt, but I agree with not paying him that much to be a pussy and not fight for the ball. So, they addressed every support function to Rex/Kyle and are hoping they inprove. Then the experiment will finally be over if it fails, thus the one and two year deals respectively. Screw Peter King, he's really said some jackass things the last couple of years.

Absolutely. Rex and Kyle are young and injury free at this point. Benson is rehabbing from a career threatening injury. We don't know if he's lost his ability or not. Plus, added motivation will bring out whether Benson wants to be a football player or not. This should remove any sense of entitlement he feels he has. If he's a pissy bitch about it - done. That question is beside the point , but I'll answer it anyway. The answer is no, but JA and Lovie decided that fixing other areas will improve our QB play. I am doubtful, but understand the the franchise QB will be addressed next year if the plan flops. At that point we are another year behind. You had me until you said AP and stud in the same sentence. Agreed, and that was my stated wish all along. Agreed also, we just don't know. Maybe a deal was close and we got screwed. Anyway, Other than the top 4 QB's, I just don't see a franchise guy out there. Weak year for QB's - IMO.

I think the 1st 5 picks will contribute early and often. Ranking them in the order they were picked.

I thought it was rather "blunt" myself. I think they are saying it is more valuable to (one:) provide insurance if Benson's rehab is not good, (two:) provide REAL competition for Benson in camp. IE: AP and Wolfe have no ability to do that. I'd rather have Forte than Brohm or Henne. And I really wanted them to make a play for Henne by trading up for an extra 2nd rounder.

I loved the Williams and Forte picks.(I had them both on my day 1 wish list) My only prayer on day one was that JA would package a couple of picks to get another 2nd rounder and pick Chad Henne. I just think he is a guy that would take over NEXT year and be our QB for the next 12-15 years. I looks again that JA is drafting red-shirt candadates with promise. My only true critique is that we didn't use one of the 3rd's or a 4th on an OG. Overall, I like the draft. B+. If JA picks a quality cap cut at OL, this draft will be an A-.

Gotta go with Schuening and Manningham in the 3rd. Josh Johnson in the 4th. After that I want some guys that can play special teams and Jacob Hester for fullback. I really had my fingers crossed that Henne wouls have made it out of the 2nd. I absolutely LOVED the 1st two picks though.

They do. Only after they go through the learning curve. I don't care for us being a farm system for inexperienced coaches.

Something you wrote triggered some thoughts. It boggles my mind to watch us not develop recievers on this team. I think we simply have poor position coaches. Paying out money to the salary cap is one thing, paying good coaches is another. It leads me to believe the McCaskeys still have a silent hand in money matters, as we still have a low paid staff, aside from Lovie. It would be bad PR if we were 15mil under the cap as the season starts. If you underpay unproven position coaches you get to throw a few more manhole covers into the family coffers and no-one notices.

Sounds about right. I would probably demand a 1st and two 3rds for Harris. Agreed on peak value. What I'm afraid of here, is that everyone else knows that too. But you know some teams would be drooling toinstantly lead the league in field position. All in all, you can't do this. The future would possibly be bright, but you destroy the now. Could you imagine the nightmare of re-signing this draft class 4-5 years down the road. My God!, this board would be smokin!!

I was going to answer my own question, but you did it for me. Agreed on all accounts. No Ocho Stinko!

With measurables like that and a high football IQ, you would think he won't make it past the 1st round. I also read NFL.com's analysis and it said similar things about him. Then you think he's to good to be true. Then you read that he doesn't change direction well, doesn't time his leaps well, has great clock speed, but not football speed. It's really strange that people have tremendous given talent, but between the ears is killing them. I want the football player. Of the two, I'd take the Zbikowski. He seems like a gamer.