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That's what we have. Caleb + run game

As much as I don't think we are drafting a LT at 9, I understand that book end Ts would be an asset for any team, I just don't think that Alt will be there at 9. For the same reason people give why we should take him, Chargers, Tennessee and Atlanta could make the same argument. As we see WRs keep getting bigger and bigger contracts, the more I think if one of the top WRs are there, we will take one. But chances of that are not good either. Any way you want to figure it edge keeps popping up as the best value pick at that spot. If we trade back ( best case scenario), then JPJ, Bowers, and our highest rated edge are more likely the choice.( Turner is rated higher but I think Verse fits our scheme better) As far as Poles trading up, no chance in hell he does that. ( cost to high).

If we need to grab a WR late , why not Tahj Washington? Him and Caleb already have a connection and he has game. https://youtu.be/EUDJtCcAJXg?si=zALfLD5IXTHs9EzJ

I agree with that. Lots of people dismiss a great TE but if he's George Kittle, even with Kmet, that is a nightmare for DCs. The physically of TEs is already a challenge, but imagine 3 good catching TEs on the field at one time with DJ as your lone WR

I wouldn't do it just because of the value of the pick. Look at trades the last few years. We got Allen with a 4th. All kinds of examples of high end players going for mid round picks. With a potential generational QB, lesser talented WRs can be great.

I have never disagreed with those beliefs but a good drafting GM can find gems more frequently in later rounds. Bagent and Sanborn are examples of finding players later. Of course odds of stardom are against you but not everyone on your roster can be first round picks

I actually don't disagree with that statement, it's just my opinion, their not going to do that. If they literally took 4 offensive line man, I would understand it.

Gabriel and Speilman outlined how boards are made up and both said that need is figured in the equation. They go vertical and horizontal. For example if you have the third WR rated close to the same value as a OT, you may take the WR instead of the first OT off the board. They also said that they first do a valuation of their roster to know may be biggest needs and second as far as projected starters or quality backups.

The jest of your statement I interpreted was just because Speilman was a GM doesn't mean he's smart. Of course it's not that black and white. I listened to him and likes the way he framed his opinions. He said he doesn't think their taking a OT, nothing about they aren't considering it. Did you watch any of his videos? That is the best way to understand his opinions. When we read or watch videos, some we like and some we don't. It's usually ones we agree with. There is value in listening to people that have a different opinion, because sometimes we change our mind. As much as I don't agree with a lot of things you say, there has been a few times I changed my opinion and you contributed to that.

I think the ideal situation would be to get your franchise QB next year in the Fourth year of rebuilding. One more year of rebuilding would set up the QB for success. Poles get the chance to do it now, so he has to take it but we still can't fill all the needs with this year of the draft.

If I draft a DE in the first round and he fails, big deal . If a 5 th round pick fails, not that big a deal. That's what I'm talking about with higher risk. I'm not saying higher risk of failure in earlier rounds.

I think I keep forgetting something about this draft. Great QBS make players around them better. Was GBs OL we always good or did Arron Rodgers make them look good? If we have a great QB, isn't his ability to sidestep pressure and quick throws going to make the line better? We added Bates who will be better than the mess we had there last year. Davis is a year past his tradegy that affected his play. Jenkins will probably be hurt a few games so we have Shelton as a better backup. Wright and Braxton will progress with another year of NFL indoctrination. I suspect we draft one or two more to help with depth. As far as weapons, we have 2 #1 WRs already on the team. Caleb should make Kmet a top 5 TE. Evvertt is a perfect #2. Tyler Scott, Venus Jones and Dante Pettis should all look better with Caleb throwing to them. We will add one in the draft, does it need to be at pick 9 ? With Caleb at QB, teams will never be able to load the box. What say you?

I never said I would block him, he said he blocked me. My doors alwaysopen for debate any time. He likes to push back on posts I make. I seen several videos by Rick Speilman and liked his opinions. Apparently he doesn't agree with them.

That's kind of my point. PHX, you give your opinions like you were a scout for 20 years and then tell people they have dumb thoughts because they don't see what you do. Then you try to argue my point about some former football guys aren't any smarter than others. I listen to people and some come across as being smarter than others that do that job. That's my opinion, it doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. The logical fallacy here is you think you're smarter than they are if they would happen to disagree with you. I would love you to go to a NBC talk show and tell Dave Wannsted he's dumb for having his opinion. Mine---your thoughts are just opinions Former players get to have them to. I never said because he was a former GM, that his opinion is the gold standard. I just liked how he framed it. There is no supreme court we go to prove either of us wrong. It's just open debate.

. The first play looked like Justin getting away from pressure and wouldn't have made that 10 yard throw but would have picked up 30 yards running the ball. He has to learn to get rid of the ball quicker like Justin needed to do. QBs break structure when under pressure, doesn't matter who it is. I like his pocket awareness, looks like Rodgers when the pocket breaks down. Definitely very accurate with throwing on the move. If he can buy into the structure of the offense and avoid hero ball, he will be successful early on.

Having a all offensive draft gives us something to talk about, but no one actually thinks that will happen? It's a question One will be a DE , whether 1B or if we acquire a 2, or pick 75.

This year is an exception, there are 3 top 10 WRs, I think they all will be successful. Adam , you're right about most go to bad teams and harder for them to succeed. This year that will be a little different. Bears, Chargers, are upstart teams that may take a WR. I think if any of the top 3 are there, Poles will take them. If not he moves bark a little bit and takes a DL. The outlier will be Brian Bowers or JPJ with a move back.

Everyone has an opinion and I value people that did the job before more than so called media experts. I guarantee you percentage wise, they are right more than media experts and fans. You're right people that own them jobs get fired all the time. None of them are right all the time, but I watched Rick Speilman on 5 podcasts and, he's a very smart guy. I also value Greg Gabriel and Dave Wannsted opinions . From the people I trust, they say we aren't drafting a OT. I also believe that. Their is no right or wrong opinions, just right or wrong facts. It's all subjective.

Obviously you have higher percentage the earlier you pick. But you showed exactly my point, only 4 of 10 were picked in the first round and only one was a top ten pick. The higher the pick , the higher the risk. Only one of the 10 highest paid WRs was a first round pick. Much rather take OL or DL high, better percentage of hits.

Spiielman have both listed in his top 10 Fashanu and Alt. He praised Braxton and said no way Poles takes a OT at 9 with blue chip players (WRS and Edge) available. He was a GM, been long time NFL employee. CBS hired him for input . Agree with all his takes. He did say if they trade back and top WRs and DEs are gone then they might take a OL. He even mentioned JPJ and Barton there.

Read where top 10 highest paid WRs, only one was a first round pick and that was at pick 23. Tone of examples of lower round WRs becoming studs. Last year Puka and Dell were good examples.

If we trade back and get a second, probably Frazier is the only one that will be available. I remember Van Pran getting a lot of love last year but now he is listed 80-100 draft value. I wonder why he slipped? Also Linmer from Arkansas was brought in and is a high RAS score guy you could get 3rd and 4th area. Sit behind Bates for a year and be ready in 2025? His draft bio seems to be close to other top prospects.

I've seen him listed in the top 32 by several scouts but is getting more cudos as a center. I'll let Poles figure out who he likes more if we get the chance to draft one. I like Zach Frazier a lot. Former wrestlers make good lineman in the NFL.

It seems pretty clear that after 2 drafts, no one knows what Poles thinks . It's always speculation. Bowers is a top 10 talent, so BPA would apply to him. Seen a video with Rick Speilman, former GM and his top 5 was 3 QBs and 2 WRs . He thinks Williams is generational and also that Drake Maye and Daniels are going to be good QBs so because of importance of position listed them top 5. listening to him, he's a very smart guy. He has us take Dallas Turner but said we are trying to trade back. One scenario was with 14- NO for got pick 14-40-155 for 9. He has us take Brandon Dorlus/ DE at 75.

You're not seeing anyone other than QBs and MHJ going in the top 4 no matter what defensive players turn out to be all pro. The QB need is to high to put people that might normally would go top 5 in most drafts. Caleb Williams and some see Maye as being tier 1 quality. 3 WRS, A few see Thomas as a sure thing also. Brock Bowers, Everyone has Alt and Fuega as blue chip. Some have a few other OL listed blue chip. Then we get to Dallas Turner, and a few have Latu and Verse. At least one CB and a few have up to 3. Then you get to JPJ and Frazier as blue chip even though they would never get picked top 15. I'm not saying they are right but odds are there will turn out to be close to 15 when it's done. That's excluding surprises.