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This is why while I don't love him, I'd like to let Warren start with a clean slate - his guy at GM and his coach. I go back to - I want to see the Bears consider candidates who wouldn't past the historical McCaskey/Phillips hiring process cause clearly there was something in the attributes that lead them to hire one sort of coach vs. others. They seem to be wowed by the interview and my guess is thrown off by crassness / overly negative things said about current state. I'm curious whether Warren will go the same way - or will he have a different view where he recognizes at the highest level in this place - while you have to balance the how and what - you also have to appreciate the freshness and honesty that can come with some of that. Its why I'm really curious to see if they go with say a Vrabel cause that would tell me we are at least taking a chance at breaking from our historical mold. Heck - while I didn't actually love putting so much on Brown's plate and moving on from Flus (you just had to though after that loss to Detroit) - again it seems like it was Warren who helped get McCaskey over the line to say, no, forget the narrative we got to do this. I think Poles was there too (in fairness). Now the only thing that would change my narrative on Poles would be if he went to bat to move on from Flus and just lost - but I really don't think Warren would have been the one to go to bat for Flus. And even than - I just think to Poles misses at fixing the oline - this isn't a new issue this year, this goes back to Fields.

Johnson and Saleh is a good pairing in my mind.

Another name is Mike McDaniels of Miami moves on. Brilliant offensive mind - not sure he would jump into an OC job or not.

Saleh would be an excellent DC. I don’t know how much trust Vrabel has but I presume if they can develop a good working relationship that would be awesome. If Bears went Kingsbury or Johnson or some other OC - Saleh would be #1 on my list as a DC. Given Vrabel is a defensive guy he may just have someone he has already worked well with though that he would lean on, but man a staff with Vrabel - Saleh - McDaniels. That is different than any staff Bears have had and with very different personalities than they are used to - far more alpha. Oh and it would be more expensive too - this goes back to, this whole direction would be awesome as it would be so different from what Bears have been doing.

By the way - I don’t know who Vrabel wants - but say what you want about Josh McDaniels, but I would love Vrabel and McDaniels. McDaniels isn’t getting another head coaching gig and is just 48. He looked good with Brady but also with Mac Jones (Jones turned into a pumpkin as soon as McDaniels left) and the same was true with Matt Cassel that year Brady was hurt. Dabol would also be acceptable - and all would be very different personalities than any coach bears have had in 20 plus years.

In past I would say that - now I feel like maybe Warren picks best of both and you can shift the power structure slightly. Not saying it’s perfect but it would be different than what they have done in past and that structure certainly had worked for other orgs.

And the Bengals job - as Bears4ever said - getting to coach Joe is a clear winner.

I’m confused - Patriots just hired their head coach last year. If they wanted Vrabel they could have hired him a year ago and they chose another route - I can’t see them moving on after one year. I think Cowboys would be the competition for Vrabel.

Honestly - I think they are just all emotionally spent and see the writing on the wall. I think effort is there but at this point the coaching staff is so thin on both sides and there is so little you can do to change a whole playbook - combine that with a brutal schedule and just the weight of this loosing streak and you really can’t get to the end of the season fast enough.

I agree - built a better oline, give him improved coaching, plus just an offseason of work to learn and I expect we see major growth. But at this point - I’d rather see them start over - new GM and HC.

He’s not in a good spot and he is partly responsible for that but Poles and this staff is also highly responsible for it.

Absolutely not - they need to fix both lines - but priority 1 has to be the oline.

I agree with you - my short list is Vrabel or Johnson - I lean to Vrabel but wouldn't complain with either.

Yeah I’m thrown off a bit as well.

That combo works well in my mind.

I officially endorse this - let Warren make the decision and reset this. Poles is just as much a part of this mess.

My view is - if there isn't a BPA at the need in the trenches, unless someone is way up, than you move on down in the draft. I will caveat I do think an upgrade at running back would be very useful (but not talking about a FRP).

I’m not getting cute - I’m signing a big time olinen and than drafting 2 more…or I am signing Khalil Mack on a short term deal and drafting an OT and OG and and a tackle but I’m not messing around with the trenches. I’m adding 2 top 2 round (or big money free agents) to oline and dline. Push Braxton and Kiran to fight for other roles and really get strong interior and invest.

Carolina is not moving away from Young. He has improved a ton this season since his benching.

I think he gets hammered for the sacks - that is my presumption. There were also dropped balls - I think Moore had one early in the game - instead of 3rd and short its 3rd and long. Little things but go a long way. I'm presuming some of the sacks though he is getting his QBR hammered on. Or maybe the pick that went through the hands early in the game counts as a pick in QBR? But it all gets pretty subjective.

I think he is in an impossible position. Flus had put together a staff with little depth and Brown was able to step up but having him be this much up leaves everything else barren.

Let’s do this - let’s go 🐻

I don’t want some 10 person search. Due your diligenc3 over next few weeks and narrow it down to 4-5 candidates. No more than that. My no doubt four candidates are outlined below. Brown could fall off the list if the rest of this season is a total dumpster fire. Brown - If he does well, by all means Ben Johnson - Would think he is the front runner. Kingsbury - Smart and great work with Daniel’s. Question is what did he learn from his first stint failures. Knows Caleb well. Vrabel - My personal choice. If Bears don’t interview him it will send off a signal to me that they aren’t taking it serious. He is a hard ass - but demands respect and did excellent with a meh qb in Tannehill. Had identified Arthur Smith and generally seems to know how to find good coordinators. He is my top choice, but he is the exact guy Bears wouldn’t hire in the past cause he is going to put up with no nonsense. Wildcard - Gruden / Shanny / McDaniel / Browns HC.

Would be great to see them get a win.

I am good with any of the names you had - plus I would include Vrabel in there. My dark horse is they make a huge play for Shanny.