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16 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
Our top needs are still definitely LT and HB. and you dont want to leave defense undrafted. Going TE definitely throws the draft out of rhythm as far as addressing the D.
I guess the HB has to wait for the 3rd round. 2nd round picks gotta be LT and D i think?Unless they just roll with what they have and than just focus on the offense side this year.
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I am now wondering do we just see them invest in offense this year. Add a back, oline and a speedy wideout before shifting to defense - maybe a safety.
Than tackle d next year?
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17 minutes ago, jason said:
Hate it.
Should have been Mykel Williams or trade down.
Mykel Or best db if a trade down wasn’t on the table is what I would have done. Don’t like this move - do think Loveland is a good player but just don’t like the move.
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5 hours ago, dawhizz said:
I wonder if Poles might look at trading for Kayvon Thibideaux from the Giants, assuming the Giants take Carter at #3 and depending on how the draft breaks. He only had 5 1/2 sacks last year but had 11 1/2 a year ago. Most seem to be speculating that it would take a 3rd round pick. So maybe if you go some combination of LT, RB, and S or DT with your first three picks, you take a swing on Thibideaux instead of the available edges in the third.
I would be game - get a good year and you have that 5th year option still too.
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49 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
That's the risk, being wrong,no one knows a person is going to be Hall of Famer in a pre draft rookie season.
I would trade our 1st, a 2nd and a future 2nd to move up and get Carter. He’s a total stud end talent and in my mind you get that player on a rookie deal you do it. For the record I don’t think what I’m offering is quite enough but that is as steep as I would go. I’m not giving up a future 1st.
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1 hour ago, AZ54 said:
I've been listening to a lot of mocks and such lately on Da Tube. Here is a compilation of various scouting opinions (not mine) that go against the grain. Some of these are "my guys" too. Keep in mind I am paraphrasing a week's worth of reviews so don't quote me on anything. I just wanted to bring up some negatives I've heard on many of the players we're looking at as our pick between 10 to 20 if we trade back.
One thing worth noting as we head into draft day. Jeremiah and Dane Brugler were both adamant that their boards are generic and reflect nothing about scheme. What a board looks like for each team is going to be wildly different based on scheme and needs. If you need a slot WR then you won't have Tet McMillan as the top WR.
Mason Graham: Brett Kohlman and EJ Snyder both agree that he's talented but will not be a great player in the NFL because if he does not win early in the rep he can't win at all on a second move once the OG or OT has his hands on him. They didn't say he won't be a good player just not a great three-down DT. If teams see it this way then it explains the rumors he's slipping out of the top 5.
Kenneth Grant: From Daniel Jeremiah... for his size he lacks the power you'd expect him to play with. There is upside to his skillset but he's far from being close to it. He has him ranked 31 overall.
Walter Nolen: Various sources, PFF, Jeremiah and others. Seems there are work ethic issues, rumors he walked off the practice field at least once. Indications he takes plays off too. The raw talent is there to be the best DT in this draft and a true blue chip player.
Kelvin Banks: Jeremiah, PFF, others. He plays too high. He's good against lower competition but against the good teams and players he struggled. He's going to face that caliber of player every game in the NFL.
Tyler Warren: Just not a good enough athlete to really separate as a runner. Good all around.
Mykel Williams: Not enough production as a pass rusher but a true stud as a run defender. He's a little stiff at the top of the arc. He has enough talent to improve as a pass rusher but his ceiling might not be as high as his run defense.
Derek Harmon: Best pure interior pass rusher if you want pressure, equally effective in the run game. Can't bend, or change direction well, misses a lot of tackles.
Membou: Unknown on the left side. Skills fit but risk/reward is not ideal if that's your only Oline need.
Everybody loves Jeanty even if he's not quite in the same class as Bijan Robinson.
Consensus seems to be there are 3 legit blue chips in this draft: Hunter, Carter, and at a slightly lower level Jeanty. If you think the challenge of trying to find a good player to draft at 10 it's far worse for the teams ahead of us. Trading down out of the top 10 is too pricey for anyone to move up significantly and then what player would be worth that price? This is going to be an interesting draft to look back on in 3 years.
I don't even know who I want at 10 anymore.
I think if one of Jeanty, Graham or they grade an LT as a stud isn’t there - I am moving on down. Ideally as far as 20….pick up a 2nd and 3rd (or get a 4th and a future 3rd if we don’t get a 3rd).
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10 hours ago, lemonej said:
Today's smokescreen has Graham's stock slipping and having him available at 10. This along with Campbell's stock dropping are what I just heard on both the Score and AM1000. Supposedly this coming from Albert Breer.
I still can’t see it happening - at least not with Campbell. Someone is taking him before 10. I also think same for Graham but if people fall in love with a db, a skill position player at wideout and Warren, plus Jeanty - it certainly could happen.
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10 hours ago, lemonej said:
Great point about Green and character concerns but, with Grady Jarrett, Billings and Montez Sweat as established players on this team, the bears are in a much better position to take a chance that the veterans in the locker room will handle youthful immaturity.
This is an excellent point.
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1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:
Lately I've seen him drop in the draft, and have no idea why. Easy answer no one knows what they're talking about. Would love to get a blue chip player.
If he drops - I think it would be because teams are focused on offensive side of the ball or say a team like Panthers maybe prefers DB to DT. I highly doubt he falls - but if he did I would run in and make my pick quickly.
The 3 players at this point where I think I would run in and make the pick - Carter (not happening), Graham, and I think I've convinced myself Jeanty (that he is more LT or name your Top 3 RB talent than he is a Top 10 back). I don't feel as strongly on the LT prospects as they all have flaws - but I certainly would support the selection of either of them and understand if they did it.
Mason Graham might be a bit undersized, but he's high character, high motor, and looks like he is just a flat out monster inside (and getting that interior pass rush is game wrecking in the NFL these days).
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Mason Graham is my wing and a prayer please fall to the Bears pick.
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I think part of it is - a lot of players haven't separated themselves from the pack. This is both a good and bad thing in this draft. The bad - not a lot have separated as upper echelon talent - meaning high end of the draft is devoid relative to most years. The good - there is a HUGE amount of players that appear to be pretty good prospects with good potential, but warts - and right now there are a LOT of players in that camp - those are players that in most drafts may be picks 20-40 and than you can bifurcate a window for 40-60 but this year you have a ton in the echelon of 15-60 and than 60-100 might still be really deep. Obviously some differentiation between the person at 15 and 60 - but because they are so close the isolated view points of one team and another team may actual be a bit more polarizing which can drive very different outcomes in the actual draft.
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47 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
With all this talk about Banks, Adam Mason brought up a great point that he is going to be very good trade bait for a trade down. There are several teams behind us that really need a LT. He is the best LT prospect in this draft especially if you need someone in Week 1. Jeanty could be the other trade bait...with my dream trade back to Dallas at 12 and yes that would come at a heavy price for Dallas.
Maybe if we do that deal to 12 and then SF doesn't take Banks we could trade back again to SEA at 18. Those two trade backs could see us end up with three 3rd Rd picks. Six picks in the top 82 out of this draft could fill in some very good depth on our roster.
I’d be good with that.
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16 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Thanks for sharing. These two sold me on so many guys. Jeanty if there is a no brainer... unless Dallas offers a deal you cannot pass and I'd love that bc RB is deep. They hyped up Warren pretty good... and ill take their word. As for OT, I still feel it is a need regardless of Thuney helping, it will also weaken his play if he has to help Jones.
Trade 10 Dallas to 12 and 76:
*1-12. Banks LT
2-39 K Grant DT
2-41 K Johnson RB
3-72 J Sawyer DE
*3-76 H Fanning TE
This is an excellent draft.
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One interesting thing - you haven’t heard a lot in media around Banks. Are teams high on him and just trying to keep it low key? Big program - strong stats - main knock was they didn’t see growth in him this year like was expected.
Now the question is - was that due to injury or is there a work ethic issue or something else? Very well could have been he was playing 80 percent (which by the way was still at a pretty high level) and now that he’s healthy he is ready to take those next steps.
With that said - I stick to my view - if I’m drafting a linemen at 10, I need to have a view that this is a high end starting LT. If you have that grade on them - draft them in a heart beat. If you have material questions and it’s oh well worse cause he’s a good guard. Guess what - trade back and just draft a good guard and get value. Don’t force your hand.
As long as Banks pick is a - we think this guy is a dude at LT than do it.
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Solid 2 year deal.
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2 hours ago, dawhizz said:
I’ve heard TreVeon Henderson is very good as well.
He's just an all around good player, imo.
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33 minutes ago, dawhizz said:
I agree with all of that. We would have to be ok with potentially missing out on any projectable LT though. I was listening to McShay’s podcast today and he was saying that there is a possibility that you pass on a LT early in the draft (and he actually used the Bears as an example) thinking you will have a chance at a guy in the early second, then Simmons goes mid first, Conerly goes late first, and Ersey goes late first or ends up the only potential LT still available at the end of day one, what do you do? Do you try to trade up to get Erery when those other guys go? Do you reach for a guy like Anthony Belton or Charles Grant as early as the second? Or do you trust your board and stick to your guns even if you miss out on a LT prospect? Because it’s a real possibility. I’d like to believe we’d stay committed to adding the best players and not reach and just see what we get from Braxton and Kiran, but I’m not so sure.
I think that is a real possibility. I would personally look at moving up depending on if those guys went early and if there value lined up to what you were doing. But if you liked the 3 evenly and had them as say a 25th overall pick and 2 were gone and one was left and you were at picking 31 - presuming they were higher on list, I would move up.
Knowing we have Jones and Kiran - I’d also be fine if we couldn’t get fair value in a trade and liked the board and went a different route. I certainly wouldn’t reach.
If Bears hadn’t done what they did earlier I may say no they have to reach because it is too important for Caleb but I don’t feel that way now. -
I should note - if Joe Alt was in this draft, I would be standing on the table to trade one of our 2nds plus #10 to go up and get him. Would be a no doubter and I’d probably even go heavier than that. But Joe Alt isn’t in this draft. Could there be an all pro LT in the draft - sure, but I wouldn’t bet on it being any of the top guys and could just as easily be the 4th or 5th OT off the board.
It is why as much as I am not a fan of taking Jeanty at 10 that I would have zero reservations if Bears took him at 10. I fully believe he is an all pro talent.
Now if I had a view another one of the players on board was an all pro type of talent (agnostic of position), at that point I’d look at positional values.
Now if I thought Warren and Jeanty were all pros - I actually don’t know which position I would rank higher. Would probably lean Jeanty because they have Kmet.
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I will say - my personal opinion is all of the LT prospects have too many warts to take at 10. I also tend to think the same thing with the line prospects. They all feel like guys who you could get between 15-25 in a normal year.
I also think the next wave of LT prospects (Simmons, Minny OT) are probably guys who are 20-30 most years and might go 30-40. Dline I think the wave that goes in 30–50 are probably better than most years.
It is why I think the Bears have to really focus and say if they stay at 10, who is a difference maker, who really stands out above the rest and is going to be a great football player for a long time. Is it a DB - go get him…don’t reach for an LT or DT when you think you have a probowl DB or RB or TE or LB there. Using many positions as an example.
same thing in round 2 and 3 - if the board lined up and you take one of Simmons or the other tackle in round 2 cause you think they are a high upside guy / potential good starter there - go get them. If the next 2nd rounder you look and go wow, we got a guy we have a high guard grade on, go get him too. Bottom line - go where the talent is not where the need is. The roster is there to get talent vs need.
The Bears need talent - period. If it means LT gets ignored, I think you than add one more vet in free agency and go with what you have and swing again next year (knowing they did a lot this year).
Bottom Line: Polls can not get cute. Go get starters and guys you view as individuals who can develop into starters and have upside. Not drafting for floors - go big or go home with first 4 picks.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
yes i agree. I put safety in the WR/TE/S mix but otherwise I am exactly with you.
Lol safety was the very next one I was going to pick.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think the first three picks will be (in no particular order) HB, DL/S, OT
Either:
R1 Banks
R2 Kaleb Johnson
R2 DE, DT or S
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R1 Jeanty
R2 Ersery
R2 DE, DT or S
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R1 DE or DT
R2 Ersery
R2 Kaleb JohnsonThis is fun - I think 1st 4 will be (in no particular order): OT, DL, HB, WR/TE
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Thought this was pretty good by Tod Mcshay. Focused on the oline and interior dline.
Real nice things said about a few of our favorites - Banks, Simmons and Minny LT all had good things said.
Simmons concerns around work ethic mentioned - basically most talent LT, but injury issues and some work ethic stuff cited.
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My pick:
Banks
Stewart
Mykel Williams
Bears Select TE Colston Loveland at #10
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You are probably right though phx. Maybe we don’t see them draft a back until round 5. It isn’t like they can’t roll with Swift and than figure out back another year.