Who? Is this good or just another "body"?

 

http://mweb.cbssports.com/fantasy/fantasy-...e-year-contract

Sam Acho is a low-key nice signing for the Bears. Always excelled in coverage and played the run well. - Michael Oliver

 

Another very good one year deal for GM Ryan Pace. Acho is good rotational depth with upside. - Aaron Leming

 

 

I remember liking him coming out of college. He's a 3-4 OLB in our scheme (I think that's where he played in Arizona). He had 7 sacks his first year, but production has declined. Sounds like he's a smart guy, if this profile is any indication:

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/foot...nebackers_N.htm

I remember liking him coming out of college. He's a 3-4 OLB in our scheme (I think that's where he played in Arizona). He had 7 sacks his first year, but production has declined. Sounds like he's a smart guy, if this profile is any indication:

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/foot...nebackers_N.htm

 

Had seven tackles, one sack and a forced fumble in Arizona's playoff loss to Carolina

This seems to make a pass-rushing LB in the first even less likely.

This seems to make a pass-rushing LB in the first even less likely.

 

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Although I would've swore he was much older. Looks like he played with both Lamarr Houston and Earl Thomas while at Texas. And if memory serves they had a pretty good D in 2010-11.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Although I would've swore he was much older. Looks like he played with both Lamarr Houston and Earl Thomas while at Texas. And if memory serves they had a pretty good D in 2010-11.

I think this is a statement by the Bears saying we dont think much of the talent as the LB position that we have on the team. He isnt special but has experience in the 3-4 and gives us depth, considering Young and Houston are coming off of injuries.

Well I don't think LB'er depth is a problem anymore. What do they got, like 20 now?

Well I don't think LB'er depth is a problem anymore. What do they got, like 20 now?

Yea no shit.

This seems to make a pass-rushing LB in the first even less likely.

 

Seems like we are going after a WR,OT and maybe C in the draft now

Seems like we are going after a WR,OT and maybe C in the draft now

I think the BPA will be one of the two WRs, OT and pass rushers. At 7 we have choices so we need to take the best player.

Well I don't think LB'er depth is a problem anymore. What do they got, like 20 now?

 

It is sort of comical. There is no way in hell the Bears draft Beasley, Ray, Fowler, or Dupree in the first round.

 

 

It is sort of comical. There is no way in hell the Bears draft Beasley, Ray, Fowler, or Dupree in the first round.

 

I wouldn't say there is no way if one is sitting there at 7 and we have a much higher grade on them than any other player. It is not likely though and WR is looking more like our pick.

 

 

I wouldn't say there is no way if one is sitting there at 7 and we have a much higher grade on them than any other player. It is not likely though and WR is looking more like our pick.

 

 

If PAce has one of the OLB rated as the highest rated as the BPA I still think they take him for two reasons

 

1. We really do not have any OLB locked in long term other than McPhee- Young, Allen, Houston, Acho all could be gone after this year unless they do well in Fangio's system.

2. It is suppose to be the most important position in Fangios Defense.

 

 

 

If PAce has one of the OLB rated as the highest rated as the BPA I still think they take him for two reasons

 

1. We really do not have any OLB locked in long term other than McPhee- Young, Allen, Houston, Acho all could be gone after this year unless they do well in Fangio's system.

2. It is suppose to be the most important position in Fangios Defense.

Yeah I don't think any position is off the table at #7 this year.

Maybe we can take them at face value that they simply dont know who will make it as a 3-4 LBer, and who si a LB and who is a DE.

 

Maybe they really need to see em in pads, in which case they might well draft any defensive position in the front 7 no matter the body count.

at 7 we should go best available whoever that is. Your high picks especially a top 10 should be targeting future stars on your team that you can build around. You need anchors and as many as you can get. We've all talked for years about our past drafts and how sad it is that only a few guys over the years can fit that description. The majority of the guys we've signed this offseason are of the "let's see" variety, some may stick I'd guess most don't. But a transition year it's smart to bring in plenty of bodies that could potentially work out. We have a lot of unknowns when it comes to our current guys, so I like that we are bringing in low risk guys that if it doesn't work it doesn't kill us.

at 7 we should go best available whoever that is. Your high picks especially a top 10 should be targeting future stars on your team that you can build around. You need anchors and as many as you can get. We've all talked for years about our past drafts and how sad it is that only a few guys over the years can fit that description. The majority of the guys we've signed this offseason are of the "let's see" variety, some may stick I'd guess most don't. But a transition year it's smart to bring in plenty of bodies that could potentially work out. We have a lot of unknowns when it comes to our current guys, so I like that we are bringing in low risk guys that if it doesn't work it doesn't kill us.

Spot on with that.

at 7 we should go best available whoever that is. Your high picks especially a top 10 should be targeting future stars on your team that you can build around. You need anchors and as many as you can get. We've all talked for years about our past drafts and how sad it is that only a few guys over the years can fit that description. The majority of the guys we've signed this offseason are of the "let's see" variety, some may stick I'd guess most don't. But a transition year it's smart to bring in plenty of bodies that could potentially work out. We have a lot of unknowns when it comes to our current guys, so I like that we are bringing in low risk guys that if it doesn't work it doesn't kill us.

As much as I agree, I wonder what happens if Cooper, White, and Beasley are gone and we are looking at Mariota at 7. Is he a sure thing being a project already? Project as in getting him into a pro system and reads. He could be your next Brees or your next David Carr.

As much as I agree, I wonder what happens if Cooper, White, and Beasley are gone and we are looking at Mariota at 7. Is he a sure thing being a project already? Project as in getting him into a pro system and reads. He could be your next Brees or your next David Carr.

I think it puts us in the position to trade down if he drops to 7. Pace is so quiet on his moves , its hard to say exactly what he thinks of him.

I think it puts us in the position to trade down if he drops to 7. Pace is so quiet on his moves , its hard to say exactly what he thinks of him.

Regardless of trade down or not, we are going to get a great player at 7, and at least 2 good players at 39 and 71. Hopefully 3 more holes filled with starter potential. From 4-6, it is more of a crapshoot.

It is sort of comical. There is no way in hell the Bears draft Beasley, Ray, Fowler, or Dupree in the first round.

 

I completely disagree. Just because we sign a bunch of bad LBer's doesn't mean there is less of a need. The only sure LB we have on the roster that is even guaranteed a spot for next year is McPhee. And he's considered a good but not great LB. Yes I'd be surprised if we cut Willie Young, Bostic, or Jared Allen, but I think all 3 are a possibility.

 

We still have a need with the front 3. If we go LB in round #1, IMO we move Houston to DE.

 

Pace wants to build through the draft. That means it's not just about this year, but the future. Fox stated the most important thing for a defense is to get to the QB. Despite all of our additions, we still don't have that. If a LB is available that we feel will be able to get to the QB consistently. why would we hesitate.

 

On a side note, we appear to be going towards a run first offense which means we need a good defense. Our defense is horrible and we haven't tried to run the ball for two years. Despite it possibly being best player available, can someone explain to me why we would draft a WR at #7?

 

 

I completely disagree. Just because we sign a bunch of bad LBer's doesn't mean there is less of a need. The only sure LB we have on the roster that is even guaranteed a spot for next year is McPhee. And he's considered a good but not great LB. Yes I'd be surprised if we cut Willie Young, Bostic, or Jared Allen, but I think all 3 are a possibility.

 

We still have a need with the front 3. If we go LB in round #1, IMO we move Houston to DE.

 

Pace wants to build through the draft. That means it's not just about this year, but the future. Fox stated the most important thing for a defense is to get to the QB. Despite all of our additions, we still don't have that. If a LB is available that we feel will be able to get to the QB consistently. why would we hesitate.

 

On a side note, we appear to be going towards a run first offense which means we need a good defense. Our defense is horrible and we haven't tried to run the ball for two years. Despite it possibly being best player available, can someone explain to me why we would draft a WR at #7?

Only because of the bpa mentality. If Fowler and Beasley are gone, id be happy with White or Cooper. Ray and Gregory are in the next tier. I think either Cooper or White would be great additions, even though I am a offensive line and beast rb guy.

On a side note, we appear to be going towards a run first offense which means we need a good defense. Our defense is horrible and we haven't tried to run the ball for two years. Despite it possibly being best player available, can someone explain to me why we would draft a WR at #7?

 

First of all, I don't quite understand why a run-first offense means we need a good defense. We need a good defense regardless. And most of us are hoping that the additions, plus the coaching and scheme changes, will make that happen. It almost has to.

 

Well, if we are talking about using the #7 pick, there's no safety or CB worth that pick. DL is a possibility at #7 (and if Williams is sitting there, I think it's a no-brainer), but the only DT potentially worth the #7 pick is Shelton, though, as has been discussed in other threads, Fangio hasn't tended to use the huge DT in his scheme. I do still think it's a possibility though, and if we went for a defensive player at #7, he might be my preference.

 

Which leaves 3-4 OLB. The Bears big off season acquisition was an OLB (McPhee) and the money they are paying him suggests he'll be on the field most of the time and he's here long term. Although admittedly he can move around a bit, he'll play the vast majority of his snaps at OLB and was brought into be that big time pass-rusher. That leaves one other OLB spot. Drafting on OLB at #7 suggests to me you have no confidence in any of the other guys on this roster. I personally am a believer in Christian Jones. I'm not ready to give up on the potential of Young and Houston in the 3-4 and I think Acho can contribute. Even David Bass might be a good fit there. So you have candidates in-house, some new some old, that can play there.

 

Contrast that with WR. We have Jeffery, a guaranteed starter on the outside. Then we have Royal, who is best in the slot. Right now Marques Wilson is the other starter outside, and he is a former 7th round pick who was a big fat disappointment last year. And we have zero depth beyond that. Like, no one. Teams usually keep at least 5 WRs on their roster. After our top three, we have one that has ever caught an NFL pass (Marc Mariani - 5 career catches).

 

So to me, it's not just about BPA. It's what's the biggest upgrade we can make that is worthy of the selection? And personally I think the upgrade from Wilson to Cooper or White is a bigger upgrade than from Jones/Houston/Young/etc. to Beasley/Ray/Gregory.

 

Then again, maybe I'm just being blinded by the impact that the rookie WRs made last year.

First of all, I don't quite understand why a run-first offense means we need a good defense. We need a good defense regardless. And most of us are hoping that the additions, plus the coaching and scheme changes, will make that happen. It almost has to.

 

Well, if we are talking about using the #7 pick, there's no safety or CB worth that pick. DL is a possibility at #7 (and if Williams is sitting there, I think it's a no-brainer), but the only DT potentially worth the #7 pick is Shelton, though, as has been discussed in other threads, Fangio hasn't tended to use the huge DT in his scheme. I do still think it's a possibility though, and if we went for a defensive player at #7, he might be my preference.

 

Which leaves 3-4 OLB. The Bears big off season acquisition was an OLB (McPhee) and the money they are paying him suggests he'll be on the field most of the time and he's here long term. Although admittedly he can move around a bit, he'll play the vast majority of his snaps at OLB and was brought into be that big time pass-rusher. That leaves one other OLB spot. Drafting on OLB at #7 suggests to me you have no confidence in any of the other guys on this roster. I personally am a believer in Christian Jones. I'm not ready to give up on the potential of Young and Houston in the 3-4 and I think Acho can contribute. Even David Bass might be a good fit there. So you have candidates in-house, some new some old, that can play there.

 

Contrast that with WR. We have Jeffery, a guaranteed starter on the outside. Then we have Royal, who is best in the slot. Right now Marques Wilson is the other starter outside, and he is a former 7th round pick who was a big fat disappointment last year. And we have zero depth beyond that. Like, no one. Teams usually keep at least 5 WRs on their roster. After our top three, we have one that has ever caught an NFL pass (Marc Mariani - 5 career catches).

 

So to me, it's not just about BPA. It's what's the biggest upgrade we can make that is worthy of the selection? And personally I think the upgrade from Wilson to Cooper or White is a bigger upgrade than from Jones/Houston/Young/etc. to Beasley/Ray/Gregory.

 

Then again, maybe I'm just being blinded by the impact that the rookie WRs made last year.

Other the the two QBs(who I dont believe will ever be difference makers) pass rush and and outstanding WR are the two most impactful positions that will be available with valve at that pick. So our pick will be from Cooper or White/WRS or Beasley or Fowler/OLB I dont think Williams will drop so those are our choices. If we drop back a few picks some other choices fall into the picture.