Parsons to Packers ffs

[BearFan PHX]

36 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

In general, I think teams could benefit a bit more in NFL from trading guys at max value vs holding on too late and than leveraging cap space for those difference makers and than using it for more late round picks for good players with just a bit left (as they tend to be under valued in terms of draft capital). 

It is like DJ Moore - if I could get 2 2nd rounders and cap space for him I probably do it - same with Jaylon. Having that allows you to continue to bring in young, ascending talent while giving you cap space to retain your own and buy guys that fill your void. 

this is right in my opinion.

[adam]

19 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Generally speaking - I agree with this take. Giving up high end draft picks and cap space is not a good strategy - unless it is so solely put you over the top or get a qb. And even the solely to put you on the top is something I struggle with. 
 

As much as Cowboys got ripped - while I think they should have found a team where the first round picks would be better - I didn’t mind the trade. If I were them I would move Dak for some picks too and actually jump start a rebuild. 
 

In general, I think teams could benefit a bit more in NFL from trading guys at max value vs holding on too late and than leveraging cap space for those difference makers and than using it for more late round picks for good players with just a bit left (as they tend to be under valued in terms of draft capital). 

It is like DJ Moore - if I could get 2 2nd rounders and cap space for him I probably do it - same with Jaylon. Having that allows you to continue to bring in young, ascending talent while giving you cap space to retain your own and buy guys that fill your void. 

Who is taking Dak at $60M APY? He has the biggest contract based on APY by over $5M compared to the next guys which are Love, Burrow, Lawrence, and Allen. His cap hit goes to $74M next year and is $50M this year. That is a big reason why they didn't want to extend Parsons to the biggest non-QB contract in NFL history. So they really had no choice tbh.

The Bears are in a great place with the cap. The two highest players on the team are Moore and Sweat, Moore has an APY of $27.5M, but that is 48th in the NFL. Sweat has a $24.5M APY, good for 58th.  They don't have another player in the top 100. Their next guy is Jaylon at $19M APY, 124th in the league. Parsons deal makes him 11th in APY at $46.5M, that is equivalent to Moore+Johnson.

It seems that paying any non-QB a ton of money does not equate to championships. The only guys in the top of the top-25 non-QB contracts are AJ Brown and Chris Jones.

The list is pretty damning:

Parsons, Watt, Chase, Garrett, Hunter, Crosby, Jefferson, Lamb, Bosa, Metcalf, Wilson, Brown, Jones, Gardner, St. Brown, Hill, Stingley, Aiyuk, Hendrickson, McLaurin, Higgins, Slater, Waddle, Hines-Allen, Burns, Wirfs, Sewell, and Trent Williams before DJ Moore. In most cases, teams don't have a choice, but once your QB is off the rookie deal and you start having to pay your top non-QBs top dollar, it makes it really hard to stay competitive. 

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

It is like DJ Moore - if I could get 2 2nd rounders and cap space for him I probably do it - same with Jaylon. Having that allows you to continue to bring in young, ascending talent while giving you cap space to retain your own and buy guys that fill your void. 

Luther Burden III approves this message.  Time will tell but IMO the writing is on the wall for this future trade.  

[DABEARSDABOMB]

35 minutes ago, adam said:

Who is taking Dak at $60M APY? He has the biggest contract based on APY by over $5M compared to the next guys which are Love, Burrow, Lawrence, and Allen. His cap hit goes to $74M next year and is $50M this year. That is a big reason why they didn't want to extend Parsons to the biggest non-QB contract in NFL history. So they really had no choice tbh.

The Bears are in a great place with the cap. The two highest players on the team are Moore and Sweat, Moore has an APY of $27.5M, but that is 48th in the NFL. Sweat has a $24.5M APY, good for 58th.  They don't have another player in the top 100. Their next guy is Jaylon at $19M APY, 124th in the league. Parsons deal makes him 11th in APY at $46.5M, that is equivalent to Moore+Johnson.

It seems that paying any non-QB a ton of money does not equate to championships. The only guys in the top of the top-25 non-QB contracts are AJ Brown and Chris Jones.

The list is pretty damning:

Parsons, Watt, Chase, Garrett, Hunter, Crosby, Jefferson, Lamb, Bosa, Metcalf, Wilson, Brown, Jones, Gardner, St. Brown, Hill, Stingley, Aiyuk, Hendrickson, McLaurin, Higgins, Slater, Waddle, Hines-Allen, Burns, Wirfs, Sewell, and Trent Williams before DJ Moore. In most cases, teams don't have a choice, but once your QB is off the rookie deal and you start having to pay your top non-QBs top dollar, it makes it really hard to stay competitive. 

That is kind of my point - don’t spend cap space and draft capital to acquire on non QBs…it doesn’t make sense and quite frankly when those non QBs come due - be very smart about when in their careers you extend vs parlay into trade that gives you more draft capital and keeps the time young and able to surround your qb (especially when they get paid) with as much talent as possible. 

[BearFan PHX]

14 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Luther Burden III approves this message.  Time will tell but IMO the writing is on the wall for this future trade.  

totally agree, and LOL @ Burden approves

[BearFan PHX]

ahahahahaha FU Packers!
 

 

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

That is kind of my point - don’t spend cap space and draft capital to acquire on non QBs…it doesn’t make sense and quite frankly when those non QBs come due - be very smart about when in their careers you extend vs parlay into trade that gives you more draft capital and keeps the time young and able to surround your qb (especially when they get paid) with as much talent as possible. 

Burden will eventual replace BJ but it wont be this year and if he plays well next year either. BJ isnt ready to dumb assets when he is trying to get this offense up and running. 2027 is a different story,. You acquire all these assets and then  start dumbing them right away? Offensive coaches want weapons that's why we drafted Luther and Loveland. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

BJ isnt ready to dumb assets when he is trying to get this offense up and running. 2027 is a different story,. You acquire all these assets and then  start dumbing them right away? Offensive coaches want weapons that's why we drafted Luther and Loveland. 

See, you dont know what BJ is thinking. No one here does.

You could say something like "I dont see BJ doing ______"

But as much as you want to keep every player, wht you dont understand is that when you trade players, you get NEW players and cap room. And you will love those players too.

So would we just cut DJ Moore next year? of COURSE not for the reasons you said, but could we trade him? Sure!

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

See, you dont know what BJ is thinking. No one here does.

You could say something like "I dont see BJ doing ______"

But as much as you want to keep every player, wht you dont understand is that when you trade players, you get NEW players and cap room. And you will love those players too.

So would we just cut DJ Moore next year? of COURSE not for the reasons you said, but could we trade him? Sure!

You voiced your opinion and I voiced mine but of course your butt hurts because of the way I word statements. You just never stop.

By suggesting that we trade DJ or before you said Kmet, you appear to be in BJs head with those statements. Poles is the GM but clearly BJ influenced the draft by the Loveland and Burden picks. Do you think his idea was lets draft these players so we can get rid of assets? He wants more weapons and has mentioned that in several interviews. Offensive minded coaches aren't even thinking about getting rid of weapons in his first year. The way Poles handed out contracts , everything is coming due when its time Caleb needs a contract. As far as future roster building , I think its thru the draft and cheap FA pickups. When you want to trade for huge contracts, you would have to dump assets, and they arent doing that . (IMO)

You are going to say next year is different but this year is not a SB run, next year could be and no one is going to do that by dumping assets. You are assuming LT and pass rusher are a problem and you may be right, but they are going to let it play out and go from there. Neither of us know what will happen next year but we both have opinions. 

[BearFan PHX]

6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

You voiced your opinion and I voiced mine but of course your butt hurts because of the way I word statements. You just never stop.

By suggesting that we trade DJ or before you said Kmet, you appear to be in BJs head with those statements. Poles is the GM but clearly BJ influenced the draft by the Loveland and Burden picks. Do you think his idea was lets draft these players so we can get rid of assets? He wants more weapons and has mentioned that in several interviews. Offensive minded coaches aren't even thinking about getting rid of weapons in his first year. The way Poles handed out contracts , everything is coming due when its time Caleb needs a contract. As far as future roster building , I think its thru the draft and cheap FA pickups. When you want to trade for huge contracts, you would have to dump assets, and they arent doing that . (IMO)

You are going to say next year is different but this year is not a SB run, next year could be and no one is going to do that by dumping assets. You are assuming LT and pass rusher are a problem and you may be right, but they are going to let it play out and go from there. Neither of us know what will happen next year but we both have opinions. 

man you are such a jerk - you really are. Im not the only that told you that adding words like "I think" before a statement is good practice. Instead you just say "Ben Johnson is not going to"

And when I say my opinions the right way, now youre saying that means Im making definitive statements somehow? How does that even make sense to even your tiny little pea-brained mind?

You are like arguing with a woman. You take zero responsibility for waht you say, and you try (and fail) to twist things illogically to make it as if I was doing what you actually were doing.

Grow up and take responsibility for what you say.

Also, what is this fascination you have with people's contracts ending when Caleb's comes new? Thats not a thing. Youre confusing getting the GM and coach aligned. The idea is you space your contracts out so they dont all come due at once. Otherwise, you resign Caleb and have no one left? That makes sense to you?

What this all really is - is it upsets you to think about trading anyone on the team. You have some need to protect the feelings of DJ Moore - trust me, he doesnt know who you are, he doesnt know who I am, he doesnt give a crap about what we think.

But if you look at the good teams int his league, they trade the good players that they arent going to extend. When young players on rookie deals challenge highly paid and good starters, then the teams trade the starters. This isnt rocket science, although for your tiny angry reactive brain even rock science seems too much.

Take responsibility for what you say and stop being such a bitch.

[Stinger226]

42 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

man you are such a jerk - you really are. Im not the only that told you that adding words like "I think" before a statement is good practice. Instead you just say "Ben Johnson is not going to"

And when I say my opinions the right way, now youre saying that means Im making definitive statements somehow? How does that even make sense to even your tiny little pea-brained mind?

You are like arguing with a woman. You take zero responsibility for waht you say, and you try (and fail) to twist things illogically to make it as if I was doing what you actually were doing.

Grow up and take responsibility for what you say.

Also, what is this fascination you have with people's contracts ending when Caleb's comes new? Thats not a thing. Youre confusing getting the GM and coach aligned. The idea is you space your contracts out so they dont all come due at once. Otherwise, you resign Caleb and have no one left? That makes sense to you?

What this all really is - is it upsets you to think about trading anyone on the team. You have some need to protect the feelings of DJ Moore - trust me, he doesnt know who you are, he doesnt know who I am, he doesnt give a crap about what we think.

But if you look at the good teams int his league, they trade the good players that they arent going to extend. When young players on rookie deals challenge highly paid and good starters, then the teams trade the starters. This isnt rocket science, although for your tiny angry reactive brain even rock science seems too much.

Take responsibility for what you say and stop being such a bitch.

I didnt bother reading your post after the jerk statement. 

It's actually very simply, neither you nor me have any personal contacts in the Bears organization so when we say something, its ALWAYS an opinion. I have been posting on here since 2009 and up until you started the ( I dont like the way you say something), I never really had anyone question the way I say things. Mongo did once but he doesnt bring it up every time I give an opinion.   

Once someone told me "some people play checkers and some people play chess". I now understand what he meant.

 

[BearFan PHX]

1 minute ago, Stinger226 said:

I didnt bother reading your post after the jerk statement. 

It's actually very simply, neither you nor me have any personal contacts in the Bears organization so when we say something, its ALWAYS an opinion. I have been posting on here since 2009 and up until you started the ( I dont like the way you say something), I never really had anyone question the way I say things. Mongo did once but he doesnt bring it up every time I give an opinion.   

Once someone told me "some people play checkers and some people play chess". I now understand what he meant.

 

riiiight YOURE playing chess.

you are completely delusional.

Also, if you want to play victim, go read my original post - I didnt call you any names, it was you calling me butthurt that started that again.

I think the best word for you is just to call you what you are: a fool.

[Stinger226]

13 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

riiiight YOURE playing chess.

you are completely delusional.

Also, if you want to play victim, go read my original post - I didnt call you any names, it was you calling me butthurt that started that again.

I think the best word for you is just to call you what you are: a fool.

Butthurt is not name calling it is  what happening when someone whines about something. 

"butthurt" an excessive or unjustifiable feeling of personal offense or resentment.

[BearFan PHX]

17 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Butthurt is not name calling it is  what happening when someone whines about something. 

"butthurt" an excessive or unjustifiable feeling of personal offense or resentment.

ok well why does YOUR butt hurt? One wonders...

[Mongo3451]

Since my name was brought up again, I'll say this; it's annoying to read something and question it to be told I should assume it's meaning.  Words in person mean a lot less because of expression and inflection.  Written words need to be more concise because the only thing you have is the words and punctuation.   I choose not going to argue it anymore, because it's out of my control and I'd rather be bros than foes.  Have a beer in me...

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference

[BearFan PHX]

6 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Since my name was brought up again, I'll say this; it's annoying to read something and question it to be told I should assume it's meaning.  Words in person mean a lot less because of expression and inflection.  Written words need to be more concise because the only thing you have is the words and punctuation.   I choose not going to argue it anymore, because it's out of my control and I'd rather be bros than foes.  Have a beer in me...

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference

amen, Ill buy the first round for everyone.

[AZ54]

22 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

See, you dont know what BJ is thinking. No one here does.

You could say something like "I dont see BJ doing ______"

But as much as you want to keep every player, wht you dont understand is that when you trade players, you get NEW players and cap room. And you will love those players too.

So would we just cut DJ Moore next year? of COURSE not for the reasons you said, but could we trade him? Sure!

We all know Ben Johnson was thinking that having two good TEs gives him Lots of flexibility on offense.  He was very clear about that after the draft and spoke about it further during the off-season.  With Olamide looking like a good WR3 we could extend him relatively cheaply.  Jahdae Walker also looks promising as a WR4 next year.  With that if you need to free up cap space next year WR makes more sense than TE.  I’d think Moore could net a 3rd Rd pick

[BearFan PHX]

11 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

We all know Ben Johnson was thinking that having two good TEs gives him Lots of flexibility on offense.  He was very clear about that after the draft and spoke about it further during the off-season.  With Olamide looking like a good WR3 we could extend him relatively cheaply.  Jahdae Walker also looks promising as a WR4 next year.  With that if you need to free up cap space next year WR makes more sense than TE.  I’d think Moore could net a 3rd Rd pick

 

For sure Moore is more expendable. If Burden balls out, then Moore and his cap hit are likely traded after this year.

What I said before is that if Kmet doesnt play significantly better than he has, then he is trade bait at $11.6M a year. I also said if his play improves he can find a place on the team. The outcome of that remains to be seen, but Kmet has had some good plays this offseason, so let's see,

Also I agree whether Kmet stays or goes, that 2 TEs is a big part of Johnson's offense. There are other cheaper TEs out there too who can beat a LB when Loveland takes the safety coverage.

But if Kmet dominates, then of course he stays. And that goes for any player - if you dominate, you're probably gonna stick around, and if youre being paid a lot, and someone else can replace you, then youre tradeable.

Im sure you agree.

[AZ54]

6 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

 and if youre being paid a lot, and someone else can replace you, then youre tradeable.

Im sure you agree.

Yes