Year 2 QB QBR Tracker

[AZ54]

Jayden Daniels just broke his arm or dislocated his elbow (left arm) in a very ugly manner.  I admired his work ethic and willingness to take on challenges head on during his college career and then into the NFL.  I don't want to see that at all but he's done for the season.  Fortunately it's his non-throwing arm so he'll return next season.  

[ASHKUM BEAR]

 Jayden Daniel's left with an arm splint. As he walked off the field they called him a superstar.  Caleb won't get a crown until the Bears can become a force.  They have one more game to put it together then the schedule gets tough.

[adam]

Quinn should be fired. Down by 31 late in the 4th quarter with a QB coming back from injury and he is running the ball? Why put him at risk with no chance to win?

The most amazing thing about his rookie year was avoiding injury. Hopefully he can have a speedy recovery but that looked season ending. 

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, adam said:

Quinn should be fired. Down by 31 late in the 4th quarter with a QB coming back from injury and he is running the ball? Why put him at risk with no chance to win?

The most amazing thing about his rookie year was avoiding injury. Hopefully he can have a speedy recovery but that looked season ending. 

I think Quinn won coach of the year last year. Good coaches make bad decisions sometimes too.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I think Quinn won coach of the year last year. Good coaches make bad decisions sometimes too.

Hindsight being what it is I’d think Quinn would’ve re-thought his decision.  Just a few hours before their game a 40 year old QB with a bum throwing shoulder managed to score 2-3 TDs in a matter of several minutes against our team so…🤷🏻‍♂️

[adam]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I think Quinn won coach of the year last year. Good coaches make bad decisions sometimes too.

It helps having the easiest SOS in the NFL to pad some wins but they won the games they were supposed to win, so I give him that.

21 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

Hindsight being what it is I’d think Quinn would’ve re-thought his decision.  Just a few hours before their game a 40 year old QB with a bum throwing shoulder managed to score 2-3 TDs in a matter of several minutes against our team so…🤷🏻‍♂️

Slightly different defenses they were going up against, and CIN was never down by more than 2 scores which is sort of the magic number that late. Once it goes to 3 scores that late, it is basically game over. That is why the Pick-6 called back was so huge. It was a 14-pt swing in seconds.

If you didn't watch the WAS game, the Commanders had no chance. The game was over at half, and all SEA did in the 3rd was extend the lead and they had a 31 pt lead with 8 mins to go in the 4th Quarter. 

Again, you play him if you have a chance to win the game. It was out of hand at that point. So typically you pull your starter to avoid the risk of injury. Quinn didn't. 

[adam]

13 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Media and, as evidenced over the last week, many Bears fans just do not like Caleb.  We put up 47pts today and still, post game, the media was more focused on the 35pts Flacco put up.  So much hinged on that fail mary from last year.  Before that play it was Caleb who led the game winning drive.   If you watch them as closely as we scrutinize Caleb, all of these 2nd year QBs are far from finished products.  I don't know which of these 2nd year QBs will end up with the best career but I do like the progress Caleb is showing under Ben Johnson.  He definitely needs to get through his progressions quicker, and clean up some fundamentals at times, but I believe that will come with more reps and familiarity within the offense.      

Caleb hasn't had the monster game from start to finish yet. Dallas was close but there were plays left on the field. They just scored 47 against CIN and they probably could've scored 60. 

If you zoom out a little bit, and in this case remove the best and worst games as anomalies, he is actually pretty consistent and the one thing I notice is he really has a high floor. I think most were expecting him to have a high ceiling, but the floor would be very volatile. In reality, it has been the opposite, and he has had 6 games within a top 12 QB range, 1 game in the top 3, and one game in the bottom 10.  

[adam]

One of the weirder things I found is that Caleb is borderline elite with more opportunities. He has a 23-4 TD-INT Ratio in games where he passes for 225 yards or more (11 games). Below 225? 9-6 TD-INT ratio. 

More yards don't normally imply a better game, but for him it does. Of his 13 career games with a Passer Rating above 90.0, 9 of them occurred with 225 or more passing yards. He only has two games with 225 Passing Yards with a QB Rating below 95, a 80.8 against IND where he threw for 363 Yards (Career High), 2 TD, and 2 INT, and 77.2 against BAL this year.

[adam]

and for all the Daniels stuff, the biggest negative I had on him was injury risk. I always thought he could be a top 12-15 QB but his body type does not suit his play style. We are now on his 3rd injury in less than 25 games. 

[Pixote]

39 minutes ago, adam said:

and for all the Daniels stuff, the biggest negative I had on him was injury risk. I always thought he could be a top 12-15 QB but his body type does not suit his play style. We are now on his 3rd injury in less than 25 games. 

Agree. I was big on him until I watched a college game of his and noticed how small he was. I thought maybe I was wrong in my concerns when he didn't have major injury issues last year. Now, he is a frequent visitor to the injury report and has missed quite a few games.

[adam]

1 hour ago, Pixote said:

Agree. I was big on him until I watched a college game of his and noticed how small he was. I thought maybe I was wrong in my concerns when he didn't have major injury issues last year. Now, he is a frequent visitor to the injury report and has missed quite a few games.

When I saw him get picked up by one arm off the ground like a child against Jalen Carter, I was out.

[adam]

With 1,916 Passing Yards, Williams is on pace for 3,832 in 16 games, and 4,071 in 17 games. 

For his career, his 17-game average is up to 3,711 Pass Yds, 22 TD, 7 INT. 

Williams already owns the 5th best single season passing season for a Bears QB with 3,541 Pass Yards, Cutler owns 2nd-4th with 3,812 - 3,659 yds. Caleb can break all of them this year.  

 

[adam]

Caleb's EPA/Dropback is +0.07, which is the same as Justin Herbert's, higher than Mayfield's, Hurts, Nix, Daniels, Rodgers, etc. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, adam said:

Caleb's EPA/Dropback is +0.07, which is the same as Justin Herbert's, higher than Mayfield's, Hurts, Nix, Daniels, Rodgers, etc. 

all these stats say Williams is doing well - not that he doesnt need to grow, but doing well and growing each week.

And yet there is so much hate from the internet and distrust even on this board. I think we are so snake-bit at the QB position that some of us are afraid to believe. But the numbers say it a million different ways, and the play on the field does too.

Dont be afraid to love again!