The haul:

top 15 talent starting safety

Starting center

Best blocking TE in the draft and a talent who should be long term TE2

WR4 maybe future WR3 with elite speed

CB with the talent to fit this scheme and starting CB2 potential

LB who should be good depth with starting potential I think he ends up LB4 for us long term

Freak DT DT4 floor to DT1 potential

We had a good draft and filled a lot of needs with good players. Just not the draft I expected. This team got better.

This is easily the best and deepest offensive roster I’ve seen in a very long time. Might end up being the best Bears offense we’ve ever seen this year or next.

Defense is finally getting depth as well. DBs improved across the board. Both starting safeties are better than what we fielded last year. With CB starters returning to health being key but the depth behind them got much better. LBs improved a little bit. Dline will improve slightly but mostly just organically from player’s like Booker and Turner continued ascension. However depth player’s at DT are better than what we had last year.

I really like Van den Berg as DT depth. Questions remain at LT of course but I figure Taylor Decker is the emergency call if needed.

Overall I feel much better about the roster depth than I did at this time last year.

Great summary.

I hope last years defensive injuries was a fluke and they do perform mid-level with everyone back.

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

The haul:

top 15 talent starting safety

Starting center

Best blocking TE in the draft and a talent who should be long term TE2

WR4 maybe future WR3 with elite speed

CB with the talent to fit this scheme and starting CB2 potential

LB who should be good depth with starting potential I think he ends up LB4 for us long term

Freak DT DT4 floor to DT1 potential

We had a good draft and filled a lot of needs with good players. Just not the draft I expected. This team got better.

This is easily the best and deepest offensive roster I’ve seen in a very long time. Might end up being the best Bears offense we’ve ever seen this year or next.

Defense is finally getting depth as well. DBs improved across the board. Both starting safeties are better than what we fielded last year. With CB starters returning to health being key but the depth behind them got much better. LBs improved a little bit. Dline will improve slightly but mostly just organically from player’s like Booker and Turner continued ascension. However depth player’s at DT are better than what we had last year.

I really like Van den Berg as DT depth. Questions remain at LT of course but I figure Taylor Decker is the emergency call if needed.

Overall I feel much better about the roster depth than I did at this time last year.

It can not be put any better. An odd draft but as being a winning team now, we specifically filled spots without major additions at the DL , a glaring need. Van Der Berg is going to be a big surprise. IMO

IDK, hope you're right. When they showed him jumping out of the pool, all I could think of was Gilbert and how much of a huge flop he was. I even had a rant on the forum a few days ago, saying one of the things I wanted Poles to avoid was anyone jumping out of a pool. LOL

59 minutes ago, Pixote said:

IDK, hope you're right. When they showed him jumping out of the pool, all I could think of was Gilbert and how much of a huge flop he was. I even had a rant on the forum a few days ago, saying one of the things I wanted Poles to avoid was anyone jumping out of a pool. LOL

Right? I don’t give a damn about pools or RAS or anything that shows extreme athleticism if the player was just average otherwise on the football field.

Fencik over Archuletta.

9 hours ago, AZ54 said:

The haul:

top 15 talent starting safety

Starting center -

Best blocking TE in the draft and a talent who should be long term TE2

WR4 maybe future WR3 with elite speed

CB with the talent to fit this scheme and starting CB2 potential

LB who should be good depth with starting potential I think he ends up LB4 for us long term

Freak DT DT4 floor to DT1 potential

I am honestly ok with the picks, but when you consider they came into the draft with 2x 2nd rounders, then traded back and lost value, then traded back up and lost more value. That sequence was not ideal.

The other teams got Hill Jr, at 60, Sam Hecht, C at 144, and Will Lee III, CB at 129 for Roush, TE, Muhammad, CB, and Elliott, LB.

51 minutes ago, jason said:

Right? I don’t give a damn about pools or RAS or anything that shows extreme athleticism if the player was just average otherwise on the football field.

Fencik over Archuletta.

Unfortunately this is Poles evaluation criteria. This is why Velus Jones was drafted, why Claypool was traded for. Not actual on the field production.

All the events are not even realistic without gear on. A 250 lbs dude can carry more weight with less impact than a 180 lbs dude. It's not like the equipment worn is lighter or smaller for the lighter guys.

2 hours ago, adam said:

It's not like the equipment worn is lighter or smaller for the lighter guys.

Uhh, it actually is...🤔🤌🤌🤌

1 hour ago, adam said:

I am honestly ok with the picks, but when you consider they came into the draft with 2x 2nd rounders, then traded back and lost value, then traded back up and lost more value. That sequence was not ideal.

The other teams got Hill Jr, at 60, Sam Hecht, C at 144, and Will Lee III, CB at 129 for Roush, TE, Muhammad, CB, and Elliott, LB.

The value charts always assume a linear value to players and picks. Poles said they had excluded a lot more players this year and were very focused on finding "football guys". That narrow focus means there are going to be some big cliffs and valleys in players on their board throughout the process.

Using OC as the example, the Bears led the workout for Sam Hecht. They said they were in on as many OC workouts via Roushar as they could be. They had a very good idea on which OCs fit their scheme best and that increases the grade and value of Logan Jones by a lot in their eyes. While the rest of the NFL draft world has him graded similarly to Hecht and maybe a couple others. They went and got their guy locked in early and that doesn't bother me as long as the evaluation is right.

At the point of the trade down I saw your points analysis and agreed it was clear Poles well selling low to get the additional pick. As of today we lost on the trade value charts but if Malik Muhammad turns into a good starting CB2 for us then I'd say we won the value battle finding that talent in the 4th. Plus adding a good depth LB with starting potential on a pick we never had.

Given the way the draft happened and this tight fit on evals makes me wonder why we avoided guys like Dani Dennis-Sutton. It's the late 3rd Rd pick on a WR where all this meshes into a WTF moment. Certainly if any of those Edge or DT prospects were one of Poles players we'd have grabbed them in the 3rd. Darrell Jackson Jr., Kaleb Proctor, Gracen Halton. In my mind, and in my mocks, several of those players were logical choices for us at that pick.

3 hours ago, jason said:

Right? I don’t give a damn about pools or RAS or anything that shows extreme athleticism if the player was just average otherwise on the football field.

Fencik over Archuletta.

IMO comparing this pool video to Gilbert years ago is taking it out of context. Gilbert literally had almost no highlights to his production at a small school. He was drafted purely on a traits projection. Here we're taking a 6yr old video of a high school kid who was already focused on improving his athletic ability. At 240lbs he was still growing and had no idea what he'd grow into as a player. Watching his press conference, and seeing his work out numbers, it's clear his work ethic is still there to this day. He played in the ACC against good programs last year: Clemson, Georgia, Duke, BC, NC State, Pitt, and BYU and had production in those games. That's a lot better level of competition than San Jose St. Given the level of competition having an average depth of tackle of -0.11 is pretty good.

I dont care where they got there players (pick value) as long as they are good players. Most people use the big boards pundits put out to judge player value. After the actual draft you can see a lot of evaluations were off. A good example is the safety EMW. Some had him in the first round or early second. Almost every team passed him up a couple of times before he was taken. Taking Logan Jones that high was not in any drafts so does that mean we went to high, or they were to low? Logan Jones is a Tyler Linderbaum clone and Tyler was picked by the Ravens at pick 25. If Logan is that good, late second is right where he should have been taken.

After years of complaining that the Bears weren’t addressing the O-line enough, now that they actually have a good one I’m not going to argue that they are going after O-line too aggressively.