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Right. That's the way you do it. You want a pipeline of young players, and you replace the older steady vets with young guys, and youll always have extra draft picks that way from trading the vets. Of course it means getting rid of good players too, but the Patriots proved the way to do it. The only thing is you HAVE to be able to develop those younger players into good replacements. If you can do that consistently, then you can have a stocked roster for many years.

Yeah, not taking the bait. Just please stop.

I agree, Garrett is the better player, but either of them would make a huge difference.

I like this board. I prefer not to debate with you Stinger. Your tone is already aggressive, and I would prefer to just not deal with you. nothing good comes of it. I put those figures for everyone else, so we can all make our own guesses at what the team might do. Personally, I think if we can land Crosby or Garrett, we should do it. Then the team will be fully dimensional. With the offense we are building, we need to compliment it with a defense, and specifically a pass rush. Let's get em next year with Deyo isn't going to cut it. We need greatness on the D line to make us into a real killer. Johnson knows this, and so does Poles. How they will do that, i don't know. But that's where cap savings would have to come from if we were going to do something like that.

Please. Dont fight. I put BOTH numbers up there: before June 1st and post June 1st. The Bottom line is like I said https://overthecap.com/player/d-j-moore/6909

Youre using it wrong. Im using the same resource. You have to set it to trade.

Just for everyone reading, those numbers arent true. If we Trade DJ, we open up $16.5M, and if the trade is a post June 1st trade, then it opens up $24.5M in space.

If Las Vegas wants to clear their future cap, they might want to move Crosby. They pay a price but not that much, a lot of his cap is salary, and would come to us and off their books. He would cost us about $30.8M, $29.8M, $27.3M and $28.2M over the next four years. If we traded Jaylon Johnson after June 1st, we would open up $16M If we traded or cut Tremaine Edmunds, that would open up $15M If we trade DJ Moore before June 1st, it opens up $16.5M, after June 1st it opens $24.5M If we trade Cole Kmet before June 1st, it opens up $8.4M, after June 1st it opens $10M The Raiders might trade for a player or players and at least a first round pick, or they might want picks only. The players above dont need to be traded to the Raiders, we could trade them to someone else for picks, and then use some of those picks or our own to make the deal too. This is a good year to wheel and deal. If the Raiders took out first round pick this year, and some combination of players above (or draft picks we traded them to someone else for) for Crosby, that would really make us a scary team for the next 3 or 4 years.

yes, out here in the real world. thats exactly whats happening.

And soon they will be saying we are AMAZING and Caleb is GENERATIONAL and all that crap. They just need to sell papers, get eyeballs and clicks. They really dont know anything, and they dont do any actual predicting. All they can tell you is whether your team is winning right now. That's not analysis. That's why all the narrative pieces are worthless. They just tell you what's happening at the current moment, and make it SOUND like a universal truth. But they never see change coming. They dont predict development. Remember when Jaden Daniels was on his way to the Hall of Fame? Remember when Darnell Wright was a bust? Remember when Justin Fields just needed a little more help? It's all trash. And I'm just saying this because it's about to be all over the top good trash for our Bears, and it won't be true either. I mean, yeah if Caleb keeps going and ends up elite, the stories will still be all or nothing because thats what the media does, not because we deserve it. Even if we do.

Right. Some ask why we would ever trade away good players, and of course the reason is to get other good players at positions of need.

Thank you Adam

they are just used to us being terrible doormats. And who could blame them? Kinda how we think about the Browns. Winning changes everything.

100% this is why you could see progress even when the stats didnt necessarily show it. This past week it looked like everything is slowing down for him.

I dont think the actual June 1 transactions have to occur after June first anymore. i think it's just a designation now that allows you to spread the cap effect over two years instead of one, but you can do it at any time. i think there is a limited number of players you can do it for, but the actual date doesnt matter anymore. So for example you could use a June 1 designation to spread the cap effect over two years, but still get under the March number. I could be wrong about this, but i think this is the deal now?

for sure. There is no rookie you can get after pick 20 that is ready to hit the field terrorizing NFL O Linemen on day one. Even if all our picks go to the DL, we still need a free agent or two. Jaylon Johnson and our first rounder for Garrett? Probably need to add something more to it too. And we would have to trade Edmunds as well somewhere to make room for Garretts contract.

both probably.

And no one was ever scared of Dayo. We need a difference maker, or several on the D line. It's the glaring need for this team. Imagine us doing all the things we do AND having a pass rush. Then we'd be serious contenders who would be favorited in most games.

I take you to mean that you agree thats our biggest need, but if there is a run on D linemen, and the available players are very substandard for the pick, and some other amazing player is there, we might not pick the D lineman. It's a fair point, with TE instead of OT as one example last year, and Burden as another. Another answer might be to trade down in that scenario. Also, every year the team fills holes with free agents before the draft. Some are starter level some are semi starter level, but you never want to go into the draft with hard needs for the reason you just said. And if that free agent is someone significant, it makes the need to get a starter ready player less, and you can find guys to develop. But one way or another, we are not just gonna shift some bodies around on the D line and go with the same faces as some might say. I believe this is the thing standing between us and a Superbowl (unless we just do it this year anyway LOL) we NEED a pass rush, and you know Johnson knows it too. Theyre gonna do something major, they kind of have to, and if that in turn may cause them to trade players Like Jaylon Johnson, Tremaine Edmunds and/or DJ Moore, that might have to happen. It's not that those players are terrible, not at all, its just we have to get some dollars and picks on that D line because they guys we have now are just not anywhere near good enough. not for where the rest of this team is headed.

They are all playoff games now.

Right, and that isnt to say there arent a bunch of Bears players that absolutely deserve it either!

me too.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, because a lot of the Bears players are very deserving, but when you see McCloud on the list too, it feels like maybe someone has used technology to cast a lot of votes for Bears players?

McCloud is NOT a Pro Bowler for sure! lol

He hasnt been in enough to qualify for this thread, but Jadae Walker is a sleeper too for the future - assuming he is understanding the playbook - I have read some rumors that he isnt, but I have no actual information about that.