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Caleb has been deadly. That pass rolling to the left was ridiculous.

no, youre not. hes gotta be gone next year.

We can still win this, but I am glad we are getting punched in the nose 2 weeks before the playoffs. We need to realize that when it comes to the really good teams, we need to give more.

it's like an NBA game - you really score by getting a defensive stop. ANd maybe DA is saving some nasty stuff for the right moment at the end. I kind of feel that a lot of our midgame woes are because if we start pressing early, they can respond with our lack of pressure. So we kind of try to slow things down and get to the end game where we pull out our aggressive stuff for the surprise knockout. All this changes when we have a D line that can pressure the QB. That's the missing piece.

love it

100%

Ugh we needed a score before halftime.

We need a D line - we knew this in August. It's amazing how opportunistic our defense has been, but most QBs this year that we have played had plenty of time and it makes it just too easy to pick us apart. Good news is it's SO obvious that Johnson and Poles must know it and they will make it a priority this offseason.

I was discussing the Bears - you were implying that trading DJ didnt open up cap space, I said you were wrong about that. Then you said you just meant that there is dead cap space, um, there is always dead cap space, what matters is how much cap space the move opens, and you know this, we all know this, you read the chart wrong and now youre tap dancing like you didnt. Just stop trying to "get me", you wont. I'm not saying cap stuff that isn't true. You just want to fight and I REALLY don't. I do want to talk about the Bears, and if that includes clearing up something you posted that was factually incorrect, then thats OK. Now drop it. PLEASE. PLEASE.

It's possible the Niners will play the Seahawks hard, but i can see them resting people too. I guess I'm used to the games not mattering much this time of year, but usually it's because we are out of it, not because we have the division locked up and a likely 2nd seed. Lets Go!

really? crap!!

at some point maybe someone will give you a week's ban or at least tell you to stop. I shouldnt have to just keep taking it without the ability to respond. It feels like since you have Pix on your side that youre just gonna keep taking jabs assuming i am unable to respond because he will ban me again. But I would rather be banned than be someones bitch, so if i have to ramp it up again i will. so cut it out so we can all live in peace here. Maybe some other members can give you some good advice about this too, since they felt free to tell me to stop too?

thank you! I hope they all recover fast.

The conversation about Swift and Kmet not being good enough was one thing - and then Swift started playing like he never had before, and i said that he had played himself back on the team many weeks ago. We all saw Swift run and said similar things after the bye. The discussion about Moore and Jaylon Johnson wasnt that they werent good enough, it was about their cap space. So that's different. If youre going to bring someone in, even a highly paid free agent, you need to clear cap room for them, and there are only a few players who can do that. The LT conversation didnt include Trapilo because he was off of most people's radar for the draft - a right tackle - so the discussion was that Braxton wasnt good enough. And that we should draft one of the good left tackles. No one at the time expected Benedet to develop like that, and until we drafted Trapilo no one was thinking about him either. None of us had him in predraft lists. After we drafted him, and saw a couple preseason games, I said I thought he would beat Braxton out. I was right that Braxton sucks, but I didnt even consider Benedet, and I had hope for Trapilo - I still do. So the rewritten history lesson should not then stand as proof that we can roll with what we have on the D line. It's apples and oranges. We need killers on the D line. And I trust we will find a way to get some. Sweat, Dayo and Booker are not enough by far. All could be good in supporting roles to a stud Edge and something new and disruptive at 3T.

who else besides Wright?

This is such a strange team! On one hand we get turnovers, and our offense is taking steps every week. On the other hand I've never seen a team win so many games without a pass rush. I keep expecting it to catch up with us. But you know what? if we are a weird formula for a team that wins, who am I to say no? I believe this team can beat any team we play, and at the same time I still dont know how without a pass rush! I CAN say that they have now achieved the goals I had for them this year, and there are two games yet to play! WOW. Divisional Champs sure sounds good. Can they keep the magic going? Why not! Lets go!

right on

Right. That's the way you do it. You want a pipeline of young players, and you replace the older steady vets with young guys, and youll always have extra draft picks that way from trading the vets. Of course it means getting rid of good players too, but the Patriots proved the way to do it. The only thing is you HAVE to be able to develop those younger players into good replacements. If you can do that consistently, then you can have a stocked roster for many years.

Yeah, not taking the bait. Just please stop.

I agree, Garrett is the better player, but either of them would make a huge difference.

I like this board. I prefer not to debate with you Stinger. Your tone is already aggressive, and I would prefer to just not deal with you. nothing good comes of it. I put those figures for everyone else, so we can all make our own guesses at what the team might do. Personally, I think if we can land Crosby or Garrett, we should do it. Then the team will be fully dimensional. With the offense we are building, we need to compliment it with a defense, and specifically a pass rush. Let's get em next year with Deyo isn't going to cut it. We need greatness on the D line to make us into a real killer. Johnson knows this, and so does Poles. How they will do that, i don't know. But that's where cap savings would have to come from if we were going to do something like that.

Please. Dont fight. I put BOTH numbers up there: before June 1st and post June 1st. The Bottom line is like I said https://overthecap.com/player/d-j-moore/6909

Youre using it wrong. Im using the same resource. You have to set it to trade.

Just for everyone reading, those numbers arent true. If we Trade DJ, we open up $16.5M, and if the trade is a post June 1st trade, then it opens up $24.5M in space.

If Las Vegas wants to clear their future cap, they might want to move Crosby. They pay a price but not that much, a lot of his cap is salary, and would come to us and off their books. He would cost us about $30.8M, $29.8M, $27.3M and $28.2M over the next four years. If we traded Jaylon Johnson after June 1st, we would open up $16M If we traded or cut Tremaine Edmunds, that would open up $15M If we trade DJ Moore before June 1st, it opens up $16.5M, after June 1st it opens $24.5M If we trade Cole Kmet before June 1st, it opens up $8.4M, after June 1st it opens $10M The Raiders might trade for a player or players and at least a first round pick, or they might want picks only. The players above dont need to be traded to the Raiders, we could trade them to someone else for picks, and then use some of those picks or our own to make the deal too. This is a good year to wheel and deal. If the Raiders took out first round pick this year, and some combination of players above (or draft picks we traded them to someone else for) for Crosby, that would really make us a scary team for the next 3 or 4 years.