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Im not gonna go back and forth, but you were not just busting my balls, you called me a bitch, you said you were my coach and i was the student, you said you were offended at the idea that i could disagree with you about OL since you played, you figured you are the authority and I shouldnt have an opinion, but just defer. If it's screw me, then thats on you. When you act like an arrogant bully wanna be, and I dont play along, thats on you. Ask yourself, if someone came up to you, and said what you said, and called you a bitch, youd just laugh? And also,mit was over a course of days, maybe weeks that you stayed with the "joke" You should own what you did, but I truly dont need you to. I will just ask that you treat me respectfully in the future. That would be good enough. And if you cant do that, then that will show too.

no, Ill just say this once. 1) I said Braxton sucks, and so I HOPE Trapilo will supplant him. I predicted the end of Braxton, but not what kind of a player Trapilo would become. I wasnt making any kind of judgement on Benedet, who was not really in the discussion at the time. Just that Braxton sucks. And he does. 2) People can disagree with me all they want, but often i am early seeing something when other dont, and then they start attacking me about it, and once attacked, i absolutely defend myself. But if someone simply disagrees with me, thats FINE. For example, you just called me "stalker" in the same sentence you said not to call people names? 3) I dont think I know everything. Most of what I say is opinion and I say it that way "I think" etc - certainly a lot more than you use that kind of language to be sure. When I make an actual statement to assert what I think is now a fact about Charles Leno, Fields, Eberflus, Poles, Braxton Jones and the potential of Caleb I have been right every time. I dont make those kind of statements until i am sure, and like i said, that happens often earlier than some others want to see something, so they say Im negative, and call me names. Thats how things started with you and me too - you couldnt stand that I said that Justin Fields sucked, and you went after me personally calling names and saying things that would generally get people punched in a bar.. Then I asked you to stop, you didnt, then I demanded you stop and you still didnt, and then I finally ramped it up to the point where others on the board told us BOTH to stop. I paid a personal price for that here, but it also got you to stop. Since then, you've been abrasive, but not using the kind of language you were toward me before. 4) I dont cop any attitude with people who disagree with me - I do cop a major attitude when people treat me with disrespect, name calling, profanity and the like. With most members of this board, I usually agree. Dont forget, before you threw your Justin Fields tantrums Id been here for like 20 years, and wasnt known for that at all was I? Anyway, I know who you are Stinger, and I dont expect you to understand this or to be able to behave yourself. My problem was when Mongo started it too. I would rather respect the members of this board like him who are worthy of it, and simply disagree if that's what happens. And a comment here or there is easy to let go, but Mongo was being consistently disrespectful for a couple weeks, so i said what I needed to, and took a leave of absence. I dont need to re-litigate it all, I am only gonna explain this to you especially just this once. I dont care what you think of it, whether you understand it. Im not gonna go back and forth. When I do come back, maybe after the bye, I expect ALL of us, myself included, to deal with respect. Like I said, I doubt you personally can do it, but as long as everyone else is cool, there is no need for fighting. But most of all, this has ALL been about me being early on these topics. Seeing things that other people werent ready to see, or watching film instead of just looking at stats and reading sportswriter narratives. When I see something, and then I am confident in what I see, that isnt arrogance. And being unwilling to bend to common beliefs is not arrogance, its just confidence, the kind people have when they know theyre right, no matter what everyone else is saying. And again, the things Ive been right about are just a handful of things. Its not like everything I guess or opine on is set in stone. But when I talk about Kmet not being up to his paycheck, I got so much hate from you, but now you see it too dont you? Will you remember that thats why you thought I was arrogant, and realize i was right? Or is it just a memory of how you felt, and now that you agree, you still blame me? I hate talking about all of this - I wont anymore. I'll be back in a few weeks, and I hope people can control themselves from getting personal and then acting like they are a victim when I speak back.

OK, so this exact evaluation is what I was saying several weeks ago that prompted your reaction that I: 1) am a "bitch" 2) dont understand OL play 3) should defer in all opinions about OL to you since you played and I didnt And that's why I have taken a leave of absence. I could handle cheap shots from one particular member saying things like this that would get you punched in a bar, but I didnt want to fight like that with you too. I would prefer to simply discuss football. I will consider coming back at some point, but it has to be really different.

arrogant, drunk, bitch. good for you you played OL in high school. The rest of this is nonsense. If you want to act like a bitch, then you get treated like one. As for your interest in my balls, thats on you baby girl. But like I said, Im not here for that, so I think Ill go elsewhere. I dont need to argue with drunk arrogant loser fools. Triggered? No. I just wont be disrespected by high school glory days boy. I think Braxton SUCKS. I thought Trapilo would replace him for that reason. Thats your big gotcha that invalidates my entire view on offensive lineman? Did you think that even made sense? Anyway, there no need for me to deal with your nonsense. And since this baord is now all about sniping and being bitches, I will find another one. Asshole!

How did I evaluate the position poorly? You think Braxton Jones is GOOD? I dont. Youre creating a strawman where you think i evaluate Trapilo as good. Its a lie. I never did. I guess you played OL in high school, but um, if you think Braxton is good, then you dont know what youre talking about. I understand what I see. Dont gaslight me. I dont need this crap. I love the Bears, if you want to tell me the new Leno is great, then thats your silliness not mine. But if thats what this board is now - just idiots sniping, then i think Im gonna move one. You can go f*ck yourself.

I guess here comes the era where Carter shows why we didnt pick him.

first off what does that even mean? Please explain the logic behind that. Secondly, I wanted Banks or Ersery, had never even heard of Trapilo until the draft. Thirdly, the ONLY reason I expected Trapilo to win the job is because of how bad Braxton Jones is. If you want to tell me you look at tape, and with your OL expertise you think hes a good player, then I call BS on your expertise as well. But I have never said Trapilo is GOING to be great, only that I HOPE he will be. So far, with the exception of one brain damaged member here, we've all been able to treat each other with respect in these conversations. I hope that continues.

OMG just watch the film - Braxton is a liability. Poles spent a 3rd round pick and then a 2nd round pick to try to replace him. Why? Because he sucks. 50 different football pundits that repeat a narrative and didn't watch the tape. Pathetic. Listen to Poles when he didnt realize he was on camera. Ignore the entire artile and who wrote it - just watch the 30 seconds of video and hear it from his own mouth. Jones is not the answer. Leno 2.0 https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/ryan-poles-caught-on-camera-admitting-worry-about-left-tackle-issue/

starting does not make someone starting caliber. And I call BS on the idea that Braxton is currently an average NFL LT. Is that a PFF rating?

I think we have three backups at LT and no starter. That's not depth, it's an issue.

Well I can have my hopes about Trapilo at LT, but the Bears released their depth chart yesterday, and Trapilo is RT2, with Benedet as LT2. Other noteables: Burden is third string after Moore and Zaccheus on one side, while Duvernay is second string on the Odunze Side, with Walker as third string. So Burden is no better than 5th above only Walker. Roschon Johnson is RB2 with Monangai as HB3 Jarrett and Dexter are the starting DTs, with Jarrett at 3T and Dexter at 1T. Williams and Turner are the second and thrid string DTs, with Billings backing up Dexter at Nose. Johnson is listed as CB1, with Nashon Wright behind him. If JJ doesnt play I guess Wright gets the nod? https://www.chicagobears.com/team/depth-chart

I hope this is right and it's just a narrative. I read his quote, but I didnt hear his tone of voice or body language, or even the context. So if that's what it was, then great!

I agree. Poles has been pretty disciplined on the cap. The story is out on Dayo, who is a significant dent in our cap, but in general Poles has been disciplined. I totally agree that the writing is on the wall with Jaylon Johnson. He's good, but he's not worth what he's going to want. A trade seems likely at some point.

exactly

FWIW Im not even saying here that we should have traded for Parsons. The trade price was steep, and he is injured. There are good points on both sides of that. All Im really saying is that *IF* the right player is available, you can find more cap room by doing things (like restructuring contracts) than it currently shows we have on spotrac or overthecap. Im saying you can't just look at those numbers and calculate how much cap is available. But trading for Parsons has a lot more detail that is debatable than simply whether the cap space could exist, which is the only point Im making.

The cap is more flexible than people think it is. And it goes up every year too, so signing a big ticket player is almost always possible. And while Id entertain that idea for a true stud, I dont think Zadarius Smith fits that definition. If it's a true top 5 impact edge rusher, then it is possible, but otherwise you dont stretch your cap like that for most players. Then again, I dont know what Smith is asking for. Im discussing the hyposthetical situation where someone wants $40M a year. That IS possible, but it might require some trades etc. SO Im not saying we should do this, just that it is financially possible if the right situation were to come up. For example, the trade value for Parsons was more likely the bigger impediment to us having him (or someone like him) here than the cap space.

you thin skinned moron. Im sorry you cry about possible 2026 trades, but thats life snowflake.

no we arent just talking about getting rid of people. we are talking about getting new awesome people too, at positions of need. Also we are talking about next year, not now. You get so "butthurt" about trading people - you want an old expensive team I guess. One that's stuck at around 7 wins a year - never bad enough to get a top pick, never good enough to contend. But lots of familiar faces, so you dont need to buy new jerseys. You DO understand that when you trade someone you get something in return right? More draft picks for younger cheaper players, or impact players at positions of need. Would I trade DJ Moore straight up for a young dominant pass rusher? You bet I would, and we'd win more games as a result. As soon as Burden is as good as DJ.

thank you, I had that backwards. Kind of makes more sense in terms of the vegas opening line then.

so true. we need to see it on the field before we really know anything. And youre right about the last 40 years - what a shit show. Love all of this. exactly.

Braxton Jones has been announced as the starter at LT for Monday night. Im not surprised. Apparently Ben Johnson said the competition will continue, and could continue until the bye week. That also makes a lot of sense, and says to me that Trapilo still has a chance to take the job. May the best man win.

For sure Moore is more expendable. If Burden balls out, then Moore and his cap hit are likely traded after this year. What I said before is that if Kmet doesnt play significantly better than he has, then he is trade bait at $11.6M a year. I also said if his play improves he can find a place on the team. The outcome of that remains to be seen, but Kmet has had some good plays this offseason, so let's see, Also I agree whether Kmet stays or goes, that 2 TEs is a big part of Johnson's offense. There are other cheaper TEs out there too who can beat a LB when Loveland takes the safety coverage. But if Kmet dominates, then of course he stays. And that goes for any player - if you dominate, you're probably gonna stick around, and if youre being paid a lot, and someone else can replace you, then youre tradeable. Im sure you agree.

amen, Ill buy the first round for everyone.

wow! so Vegas opened us as favorites on the road. Thats good news. All of this says this is anyone's game. Lets go!