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I think cutting Edmunds rather than holding on to him for another week to look for a trade might mean we are clearing salary cap for something.

Also, we have now opened: Dalman $10M (or maybe $14M) DJ Moore $16.5 Edmunds $15M $41.5M (or $45.5M) on the cap, and just getting started. We do have money to go after a premiere pass rusher and of course you all know I would LOVE to have Linderbaum too. Especially if Thuney's years are numbered, like 2 left. Still to come: Edge, DT (x2?), LT, LB, S, CB, WR

Edmunds just got cut. I guess there were no trade partners, too bad. It was only a 5th, but it would have been nice...

Oh man, I'd trade Dayo and Jarrett for nothing just to get them off the books! That would be great, but does anyone want them?

that'll be the 2nd rounder we just got for DJ? And if we get another 2nd for Bagent, it won't sting as much? Here's a wild thought - what about 2 2nd round picks, Tremaine Edmunds and Jaylon Johnson for Crosby? Or put another way, a 2nd round pick, JJ, Edmunds and Bagent for Crosby?

Good point about Brown. i thought he was gonna go and then Moore was gonna go right after, but I guess Buffalo wanted Moore more, or didnt want to wait for Brown and possibly miss both? Crosby is gonna be expensive in trade and cap. I've been wondering if we wouldn't go with Hendrickson, or someone else, maybe a DT. I generally feel the same way you do about being careful with picks and cap room. But seeing how aggressive Johnson and poles were on the offensive side of the ball last year, and seeing as how we know Caleb is the guy. Maybe we will go all in, make a run, and get our cap locked in to a roster full of talent that we hope to ride for several years. It's risky of course. You look at Dayo, Jarrett etc - you don't want to go all in and end up married to guys who underperform their deals. But I wouldnt be surprised if we were aggressive around Crosby and Linderbaum. And then wed need some mid tier LT, and DT, maybe a safety before the draft. Do all that you've got a hell of a team, but you're married to them all for several years, so you have to be sure theyre gonna be studs for you. With all the talk from Crosby maybe he really does want to come here and get a ring. One thing's for sure, with Caleb and Johnson we are becoming an attractive place for high end free agents to want to go.

amen. I wouldnt let him go (this year) for less. As we clear cap space, and load up on ammo, you gotta figure this defense is going to look very different. And that really puts us in place to be serious contenders for the Super Bowl this year, and beyond. Finally!

Yeah, win/win. I'm so happy we got a 2nd for him. THis is honestly better than I thought it would be, and I was in favor of this move before when i thought compensation could be less. I think this is going to be a very dynamic offseason. I cant wait to see the roster opening day!

OK, Ive had enough of this bullshit. I will say what I want when i want. Dont like it? Suck my dick. I am sick of being kind and watching my language while you act like a total dick. I took endless crap from you about how we arent going to trade DJ Moore. But we did. Youre wrong about EVERYTHING we disagree about, over and over. I will state my opinion about whatever the hell I want to. Maybe you should listen and learn something you moron. You dont know shit about any of this, so if you dont like what I say, then just shut your f*cking mouth. From now on when you act like and asshole, youll get it back - we are back to this because youre such an ass. I tried being civil, but it has to go both ways. If you or others on this board dont like it, they should encourage you to shut the f*ck up about me? Got it asshole?

Dude, this is a discussion board. We are here to discuss football. I dont need to call Poles on the phone and try to get him to listen to me, thats insane. Why would he listen to any fan? But that doesnt mean we cant talk about stuff here, thats what this forum is for. Please cut that out?

I guess, but to me, Linderbaum is like another guard, the way he can get into the second level so quickly. I dunno if anyone watched his highlight tape, but he is something special for sure.

There is always cap space to be created. When a player like this becomes available (and it's RARE!) then i think you do what you have to to make it happen. I think he will need a 4 year $80M deal. Dalman was getting $14M a year. This guy is worth $6M more. Now I am with you, we NEED to retool the defense. I wouldnt say sign this guy at the expense of the defense. I still think we will make a lot of moves on Defense. But to add $6M a year to our projected cap to have this guy replace Dalman seems right to me. There are ways to create as much as $80M in cap room for us this year. $65M seems more reasonable. But either way, there is room for Linderbaum, an expensive pass rusher, and more mid tier free agents as well. Dalman opens up $10M this year, and Edmunds another $15M. Trading DJ opens another $15M, that's $40M right there before you even start digging or restructuring. I think we should go get him. He's as good at center as Thuney is at guard.

Look at how dominant he is. He's able to get out to the second level (and beyond) and he does a great job of cleaning up errors when other players miss too. He's a freakin stud.

I know that paying $20M a year in cap space for a center wasnt on anyone's bingo card, and it's a lot, but Linderbaum is a truly excellent player, and you'd have Caleb's center sorted out for basically his whole career. Also, he's a hell of a run blocker, getting to the second level. Imagine how the run game would look on that right side. Freakin scary. So while I wouldnt genercially pay $20M a year for a center, to get one of the best in the game to call protections and keep Caleb clean and to be a major force in the running game would make Johnson's offense dominant. Play action would be twice as effective, and that's to say nothing of Thuney next to him on the left side too. I totally understand what AZ54 just said too - it's a reasonable and intelligent plan. I'm just saying Linderbaum is SO good, I think it's worth it.

OK I figured it out. we owe $4M of dead cap, amortized signing bonus. But he had $9.5M in guaranteed salary coming. I guess that meant if he didnt retire, we'd have to pay that to cut him. But since he retired, it's not that way. I remember reading rumors last year that he wanted to retire from the Falcons, so maybe Poles convinced him to give it a try, make a little money, but structured the contract so we dont get killed if he retired. Very interesting, but yeah, we just cleared $10M on the cap. Cool.

Yeah, I am hearing experts say it opens up $10M on the cap. So that's the good news. I personally don't see how, because everything I read said the signing bonus accelerates to this year, or this year and next year if post June 1st, like a cut. But I will presume that I am missing something, because people are saying $10M, and Im very glad to be wrong.

DJ and one first I can see. I dont think we will spend two firsts unless we get picks back too.

what the actual hell. this certainly changes our offseason plans. I'm no expert, but it looks like we will have significant salary cap dead space as a result. We may only gain $500k in cap space, and have to replace him as well.

You ARE the stat man. LOL I gotta admit that's a very well reasoned and researched argument. I was making a gut call based on his age, his measurables, and assuming he will agree to a lower extension. But I did no research on comparables. So i feel the market for him heating up a bit, but my guess as to what that means in terms of rounds was just out of the air. If had known what you put here, I'd still feel his market heating up, but Id have had a better understanding of what that meant in terms of actual draft value. Thanks for this, you've convinced me!

sure, but Im wondering if we might even do better?!

I agree with all of this. Cant wait to see how it happens.

I think we might be surprised with multiple teams interested. It wont be a 1st or anything like that, but we might do better than expected.

If we could get a 3rd for him, that would be incredible. I expect more like a 5th tho, but with three teams interested, maybe a later 4th?

It does look like a stunt there based on the angle of the other DT. I thought so too, but like you say, he should still he be up out of his stance. And there are lots of examples like this one. He's just slow off the ball. He certainly hasn't become the active 3T that we were hoping he'd be. And it's not like hes a BJ or DA "guy" either. He has value. For us in a rotation, maybe for someone else in trade? Hes far short of the starter I hoped he'd be, but he's not a bad 2nd stringer for us. I just feel like a housecleaning is coming, but I dont have any proof of course.

Yeah there are so many options, I am nowhere near predicting what we are going to do, but I have a strong feeling we're going to do SOMETHING and not just a little something. And when you add to that Ben Johnson's aggressive nature, I cant help but think there are going to be tons of new starters. And how we will accomplish that is going to be VERY interesting. This year for Poles should be really fun to watch.