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I sure hope so. Honestly, I'd be happy to lose the bet if I could still get rid of Leno LOL The best chance is through the draft though, because I agree with Stringer and Ashkum here too that Spriggs is a longshot, but by no means a sure fire long term replacement. If we do manage to get good starting LOT play by some way, and decent production from the OL this could be a VERY good team. But if it looks like Leno did last year, it won't matter who you have out there, even Mahomes, Brady, Rogers whoever you like best, they cant do it with a pass rusher in their lap all game, and no holes for the running game.

totally. stinkingly awful.

yup, Im with you all the way on this.

On February 16th, I posted a long thread about where all the mathematically possible cap savings were, and how likely we were to cut those players. The names on my list were: FLOYD AMUKAMARAH GABRIEL LENO PATTERSON SHAHEEN BURTON BRAUNECKER COHEN ROBINSON with caveats about Robinson (that we would extend him) and possibly keep Patterson (that he is very valuable if Nagy uses him, but also has trade value), and possibly Cohen (I do think he is trade bait). Of course my anti love affair with Leno is well known, and as this offseason has gone on, and we havent really replaced him, but we did sign a possible today, and one of the 2nd rounders is likely to go to OT as well. Time will tell. Cutting him would still free up $3 Million, or more if you take a June 1st designation... At any rate, since then a lot of what I spoke about has happened, and there is still time for the rest. People disagreed at the time on a number of these players, but I think Pace showed that he is willing to make changes when he blew up our WR room a couple of years ago, so I am not as surprised. I have more faith in Pace than I do in Nagy right now. At least (as Adam says above) Pace is willing to change when he sees something isn't working. Nagy has this year to prove me wrong of course, and naturally I do hope he does.

wow big signing!

sadly, for my bet, I agree. Neither Cleveland nor Austin Jackson are ready for primetime in year 1 at OLT.

I dont really know enough about Eason to know whether I predict he will succeed or fail, and a speed WR would definitely be a need.

Here's another. This would be an amazing draft and get Pace GM of the year again. Unfortunately, it could never happen. Some of these guys will never drop like this.

Here's what I got. Once you get past the first four or five picks, I really have no idea. Davis would be a steal at 98 to play DE for us, and be a multiplier for Quinn.

I see a lot of good names in this thread that would probably require some luck for them to fall to us at #43. Assuming that we don't get any luck, the four I'm looking at are WR KJ KAMLER OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO S KYLE DUGGER TE KOLE KMET Kammler would have to be taken at #43, the other three will likely be there at #50. Kammler would be the new Gabriel. Of course if some better players drop, that could be a great opportunity. But if nothing lucky happens, I think Kamler and Wanogho would be fine picks. You guys know I want someone at OLT, so if Kamler isnt available, Dugger would be a great fit too. I admit it would require too much luck for Austin Jackson to fall to #43, but I can dream...

I agree. False starts are a symptom of being in over your head. Being on the interior, and growing as a person (heck hes only 25) will help to alleviate the fear. I cant predict what he will become, but he sure does have a lot of potential, and for that deal, it's more than worth it to see what he's got. I do think that it lessens the plan that we will draft a future OT and start him at RG for a year. Oh, and just mechanically, being right next to the guy who is snapping the ball should make it a lot easier to feel when the ball is snapped!

If we can trqade back a couple of slots and get significant picks for doing it, I would love to see that. Of course that means someone else wants to move up, so it's not always so easy to find a trading partner for it, or when you do, they dont quite offer enough value etc. But for sure, all things being equal, if Pace can pick up more picks and still get guys he is targeting, then that is win / win.

+1

that works, or even better, if we just avoid personal attacks, we can still talk about everything else.

flyfishing - dont equivocate me with this troll. Also, youre not promoting anything positive here calling us ladies are you? Why dont you take a moment and try to find out who is who here before you put on your hall monitor sash over that dress?

nah, you seem to have forgotten you said the same BS to me yesterday about a joke I made. Seems you can dish it out but not take it. Not surprising tho. I think you need to watch your tone here going forward, because youre basically a turd. Either: 1) give and take or 2) stfu because this third way of dishing it out and then becoming a snowflake is pathetic.

Also, if Nagy gets fired after this year, Pace will too.

"has only done" and "he and Nagy" Are you OK?

As a result of this virus, and experimental treatments, if just one out of a million people in the US manages to mutate into a 6' 7" 350 pound hulk, there should be lots of new free agent options at OT.

Right. I didn't want to get into the weeds about it, but the RPO is the evolution of the play action pass. You can "figure it out" in the sense that you understand it, but you can't play the run and the pass simultaneously as an individual LB. Also, when I said RPO, I meant it broadly, meaning all of Nagy's offense, not just the RPO specific plays in it. I personally think Nagy wont ever use the run enough to be successful. That's what Ive seen from him. I think the odds are pretty good he is not our head coach opening day 2021. But I have my views on traditional football, based on what I have already seen. Nagy may be right that his offense is the future. He will curely have this year to demonstrate that. And if I see it opening up and scoring huge points, then I will have to admit that he was right, and maybe Trubisky was the biggest problem. But I've also seen other video game offenses come and go. From the Run & Shoot, to Trestman's passing schemes, I've been told that these new pass heavy offenses would eventually make the running game less important. And in general they havent. Then again Bill Walsh did change the game forever with some basic concepts that achieved a similar outcome, and have stayed around ever since. So, I have my point of view, but I am willing to be wrong, and I sure will be happy if I am. (and I have to add, if we dont get help at OLT, probably none of it matters either way)

This is what I think too. But I am open to the fact that Nagy has this year to prove something, and so if he does, I will notice it. But all things being equal, I agree with you, and that's why I wanted Nagy gone at the end of last year.

lol this is what I was suggesting at the end of last year, and would have saved us a year - but I understand that nagy may well prove to me that the system works, and it was all Trubisky's fault. Im not saying I expect that. I think the lack of a running game was a huge problem, but maybe Nagy will show me that Im old fashioned and dont understand the RPO enough.

I agree with the first pick at OT for sure. With the second one, if there was a CB that we liked I think that would be the best choice, but BPA of WR, TE, OG, S could work too.

yes, with a hedge against injury too. I do suspect Graham will have limited snaps to keep him fresh if possible.

of what he COULD do. Im not saying it's either/or I will be interested to see it on the field. We know Graham's football IQ, hands and competitiveness are all still excellent. I wonder how effective he can be, and for how many snaps. But like I siad, Im not predciting gloom and doom, Im just curious. I give it 50/50 and the upside is huge.