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Oh for sure, Im not saying he has accomplished everything that Anderson did, obviously NA has more yards. I'm saying that he is a better player in his first 2 seasons than Anderson was, and I think he is a better back. Whether he will have as long a career, who can say.

that was 2017...

Howard has a ton of heart and finishes every run. He's always falling forward. He also have great vision and power. He's the ideal compliment to Cohen. I think Howard is better than Neil Anderson was.

well by that definition sure, I just have been thinking of Edmunds as an ILB primarily. He's got Urlacher ability to run with receivers and shut down the middle of the field.

round 6, sure. I wouldnt have an issue with that.

Edmunds will be ILB

well said.

Yes for sure we need another OLB on this team, but Ashkum said doubling up on OLB, and I dont see two picks going there unless one guy is a long term developmental late round kind of guy who can contribute on special teams or something.

why doubling up on OLB? Floyd is certainly a long term solution, don't they just really need one? I see our needs as (in no particular order) EDGE, DE, OLB, ILB, WR, OG, OT We will get some good players at some of those positions, but we will still have holes filled by guys like Lynch, Jenkins, Kwitkowski, Kush, Fowler etc. Maybe one of them will step up, but more likely the team will be more complete in 2019. I believe there are enough pieces to grow this year, and possibly even sniff the playoffs.

I'm a no on Arden Key, Orlando Brown, Dex Bryant and Reuben Foster.

I'm certain that if you took the line we have now, and added Price, Jones and Brown, that Hiestand would be thrilled and the result, one way or another, OL would be a strength of the team. Even if one of them totally flamed out.

they went 0-14 in 1976 and then lost the first 12 games of the 1977 season as well. I remembered them as entirely defeated (is that the converse of undefeated?) but forgot it was only 14 games!

A few months ago I predicted that we wouldn't have more than 2 WR from 2017 on the opening day active 47 and took a lot of heat for it. Admittedly I was also saying a WR in one of the first two rounds which I am now not predicting anymore. But last year's WR group was dismal. One of the worst ever. You'd have to go to the Buccaneers 0-16 team or something to find competitors for that title. They were AWFUL.

good analysis regarding the extra trainer days. Hadnt seen that anywhere. This board, and you in particular, rock.

We are unlikely to get high quality starters at all those positions in one draft, which is where Jenkins, Kwitkowski, Lynch, Kush and lord knows which WRs come in. We are clearly going to have a hole for at least some of those guys to try to fill. It's exciting to see the roster getting full, but we won't be all the way there until next year. Still, we are a lot closer than we have been in many years, and there is nothing that says some of those guys won't show something. But It's unlikely that we could find someone better at those positions in the 5th round for example.

Yeah I had a post a while back that no matter what we do we are going to still have a few holes somewhere. Still it's nice to be this far along.

This looks even better now that Meredith is gone. If Turay isnt available in the 4th, we might go WR there and look for whatever defensive help we can in rounds 5, 6 & 7, but I absolutely agree with Edmunds, Price, and another OL in the 4th. Then the question is between Turay and a WR. IF you get Turay, then I think you're right about Lazard in the 5th. Heck, maybe they'll look at a real WR in the 2nd round now, and push the OL to the 4th. Very interesting stuff as the draft comes into focus.

YES. We evaluated him vs. what we are used to. we might have even wanted him for a long term deal, but not for 2 years and then he leaves right when the window is open.

Or two other possibilities if he doesnt sign him: 1) He just doesnt think he's that good. GMs DO disagree on the value of a player. 2) He thinks he will lose him in 2 years right when the window is open and doesn't think he's worth taking along for the ride just to lose him or have to overpay at the worst moment.

yes I agree. thats what I was saying above too. Pace wanted a long term deal. Is 2 years enough? I dunno...

me too, but I am open to the idea that it will be a surprise on the defensive front 7 too. But Im with you, my money is on ILB.

IF we end up with Edmunds, I predict you'll eat crow within 2 years.

I would LOVE this draft. Do you really think Jones will be there at #145?

yeah, I cant speak to the price, but I agree that 2 years wasn't his hope. In that way maybe the Saints are hoping to poach him. I can see Pace going either way on this, and taking his time to decide too. I'm not saying this worked out well, simply that the $2.9 Million 2nd round tender wouldn't have given him what he wanted either.

exactly.