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Sure. I don't normally bet because I usually lose, but maybe we meet up across town and the loser buys the whiskey. I'd say these two QBs are going 1-2 in this draft and Washington has a decent team, as do we in many aspects.

Each of them have some elite traits yes. Slightly different in each one.

At this point Jayden Daniels is QB1 for me. I reviewed some more Drake Maye film today and I agree with the assessment that he's really talented but he needs a year to learn. In terms of QBs ready to play year 1, which is obviously what Poles sees since he traded away Fields, we have 2: Wiliams or Daniels.

Other than his pocket presence I don't even see the greatness on the field. If he were all that then yeah, but he isn't.

The more I see of this kid the more I flat out dislike him as a person. I simply don't care about his football talent and I'd never hire him. I find it hard to believe this is the leader Ryan Poles wants at the podium after a tough loss. So be it. Someone criticized me because I don't like him painting his fingernails. If he wants to be all pretty that's on him but now I find out he was writing F-Utah, and then follows that up with F- ND. Then he's promoting that across social media. He's an utterly classless individual. When asked about the F-ND, he refers to fans as "the sheep" who will never understand what it's like to walk in his shoes. On that he's correct, I won't walk in his shoes because I'd never want to treat people like that. The look on everyone's faces as he completely ignored Keenan Allen and walks right by him was awesome. Someone had to call him over, likely a PR person for USC. I refuse to believe that someone with his "vision on the field" couldn't see that bright orange jacket Allen was wearing as soon as he was walking onto the field. An elite NFL WR took the time to attend your pro day you take the time to find him and thank him. I said a week ago I was out on this kid and now I'm even more so. Give him away to Wash and go draft Maye who also has elite arm talent. I don't even know about Maye's attitude yet as I've barely done any research on him.

Ro need to lighten up a bit and get some more flexibility in those hips. He needs these type of drills.

I don't see how his medicals "lose" him a job if he gives them to every team since he's already said he's giving them to only the teams he's interested in? How does a team with no interest in drafting him sway the medical opinions of those who are interested? You can try to sell me on his arrogance, which is your assessment not mine, and ignoring coaching being a positive trait but it's my own personal dislike of working with people like that which, for this old man, isn't going to change. Regardless of your McMahon example, elite arm talent and arrogance didn't work well for Jay Cutler. Cockiness I'm ok with as I view that as a different trait of competitiveness versus the arrogance of putting one self above others.

For a chance to have a $7mil/yr job I'll give my medicals to every team.

Agreed on the roster building at premium positions. You can find good WRs in Rd 1 to Rd 2 in most drafts.

I like Turner a little more than Verse because of his elite quickness and bend. He reminds me a lot of Von Miller and his speed to chase down plays from the backside is outstanding. Verse is outstanding in his own right but is more of a power rusher. So it might depend on what the team wants. Both are really good against the run but Verse with his power is going to hold up better setting the edge. I saw Kollman's breakdown of Verse last night and he said something that was interesting: If you want to run a defense with 2-high safeties, which he said is done 50% of the time in the league, then you need a stout edge who can force run plays back inside. I like Latu a lot as well, he's very technical with his hands and strong. Draft any of these top 3 and we're a much better defense. After them it is slim pickings in this draft. I don't see Chop having the length needed for our scheme as a run defender. He will likely fit in as an OLB in a 3-5 front. As far as draft day strategy it all depends on how the top 8 go but I still prefer to get the DE over the WR (assuming MHJ and Nabors are gone). We can find a very good WR with a 2nd Rd grade in the 3rd Rd. A WR3, with potential to become a WR2 in the future, is all we need right now to complete the starting group. We could use 4th WR to build depth but with no trade down off #1 those wishlist items are becoming just that....wishes.

No clue who this guy is and what his credentials are. By the way if a QB is really smart about knowing his defense sucks he does all he can to make long drives and win time of possession and keep the D off the field. Hero ball hoping for big plays and quick scores is not ideal.

My point was about some of his mannerisms during press conferences. Has nothing to do with coaching acumen.

This is how I see it too. Poles wasn't getting the trade value he wanted for Fields and might have been ok keeping him as insurance poilcy (i.e. massive offer from Raiders). I think his biggest issue is the fact he fleeced the Panthers last year and no team wants to be embarrassed like that this year. Certainly not well ahead of the draft. So nobody was coming to table with the offer he wanted. Then at some point Poles just decided that hanging onto Justin was hindering his negotiation leverage so he had to jettison him. Poles may have been content with the delay and loss in value trading Justin as it allowed him time to perform some due diligence on the QB prospects. That late decision (as opposed to doing this around the combine time before FA), along with giving up a valuable 4th Rd pick makes me think he wants the trade down with Washington. Or he is just completely happy with drafting Williams. I can't see any scenario at this time where he'd trade to #3. On draft day if he wants Daniels and NE wants Maye, or vice versa, then they can hit the dance floor. The only move ahead of the draft is to #2 and that's if Wash commits to who they are drafting. That might be a possibility but I think we wait until draft day and we're on the clock. Or we even draft Williams and keep him, or draft and then trade him.

Blue chip players are what wins Superbowls so you always take one, or two, when you can, and especially at the premium positions. The rest you have to backfill one way (FA) or another (draft next year).

I think Flus is an easy tell just like when he was asked about Getsy late in the season. It seemed clear to me that Getsy was getting fired if Flus was staying. I get the part about Flus being cringy at times. I think he's the type of person that would rather just tell you what he's really thinking and doesn't know how to mask that. Then the nice things he says just come out awkwardly. Poles I'm never sure how to read him other than the fact he always looks like he has a plan and refuses to tell you anything about it.

I don't think we have resources to fill all the gaps. If we are to prioritize for the rookie QB that means the defense has to suffer without a 2nd decent DE, and we have to rely upon Pickens/Dexter to improve as a 3-tech. Or does an elite defense give the rookie his best chance to win games versus relying on a rookie WR?

Sorry had some family in town from Spain so I've been mostly offline the last few days. You have a good perspective on many things. I think you can be confident that everyone wants to read that. I just enjoy the debate, or reading the debates, even when we disagree.

Can we get no clue as an option? At this point in time I have no idea who I think is the best QB in this draft for a variety of reasons. Reasons that are different on each of the top 3. I've got 5 wks to figure it out so I can be disappointed on draft day.

This is a big red flag for me regarding MHJ. I'll just never understand an athlete not wanting to compete. Bowl games and injuries I can understand moreso but we're just talking about running and jumping. Apparently there are rumors that several teams have Nabors as WR1 in this draft. Some of that can be need on individual teams too. None of that matters now since there is almost no way either Nabors or MHJ will be on the board when we draft at 9. In any case I still think the value play is DE at 9. This WR draft is so deep you can get a WR in Rd 3 who has 2nd Rd grade.

I wouldn't leave that out of the realm of possibility.

Does anyone know a body language expert? Those hugs from Poles and especially with Eberflus seemed to me highly indifferent. I'm a little odd in that I look for things like smiles and eye contact, even if brief, to tell if someone is being genuine. I see Poles looking away and maybe just being "professional". Eberflus OTOH didn't look happy at all, more mechanical in his motions. Usually after that I'd expect very brief "something" of an interaction yet Caleb moved on quickly and so did the Bears. Maybe to Phx's point they are just going through a formality with the hugs and not trying to show any cards. I also suspect Phx can vouch there are people in business that can smile and look you in the eye while stabbing you in the back. Probably we've all worked with someone like that one time or another. So maybe this is nothing but people getting ready to go their separate ways. Then later in his interview with Colin Cowherd you still do not see any smile from Williams during any discussion of Chicago. At the 1min mark Cowherd says hey Chicago has some dudes what's it going to be like working with Keenan Allen. Williams first part of the response is IMO somewhat scripted (blessed to be #1 overall pick) but there's no smile when talking about Keenan until he begins discussing their friendship going back for years. At that time I feel like we're seeing the real Caleb. Then go to the 5min mark when Cowherd asks him again about going to Chicago where the fans "care". While he still asking the question Caleb rolls his eyes, then has to bite his lip twice before answering what his vision of playing in Chicago will be like. Again no smiles no immediate reaction just thought out words like he's reading a script. Regardless of the talent assessment it is still my opinion this guy does not want to play in Chicago... at this point in time. I'm not sure we want him either.

I haven't seen anyone refute that Williams has elite pocket awareness. Everything I've seen on numerous breakdowns is just wow, almost 6th sense of what is going on around him. I think he also has elite arm talent with some incredible off-platform throws. However, I also think, as with many elite athletes, that talent gets him into trouble where he gets lax with his mechanics and just reaches around pressure with an off-angle throw. That leads to him missing relatively easy throws at times. It's correctable with some work and he's got the foot quickness to reset. As Kurt Warner said today each of the top QBs needs work on their game if they are going to be an NFL starter. Which makes this a really tough decision.

In part is his big time injury history, but for me the other challenge with him is that he is mostly a line-of-site passer. That works great in many situations, and he's got a nice strong arm, but in games I watched he seemed to struggle when he has to drop the ball in over a defender.

We all have the same facts in the world, yet the world is composed of billions of different opinions. His is just one and he's welcome to it. This is actually why I read this board because people will force me to see things from a different perspective. Some change my mind, others do not. I'm not married to the need for someone to see things my way, I simply accept the differences and see how things play out. So sometimes they are wrong and sometimes I'm wrong, and maybe more often than not I'm wrong. Despite all that, it is still possible to support an argument without declaring a "flaw" in someone else just because you disagree.

open eyes, see football.