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Which I strongly prescribe to. However that’s even flawed. Look at Mariota, look at Vince Young, look at a whole slew of USC starters; Booty, Sanchez, Barkley and Leinart. With Trubisky; I think part of his fatal flaw is he didn’t have that multi year starter career in college. Sure he did well when he started but for some reason he couldn’t supplant Marquise Williams. Why is that? Since coming to the league he hasn’t had much help from Nagy. Especially with not playing in both of the last two preseasons and some of the play-calling since then. I still think the Bears would benefit from adding a QB in the draft. It doesn’t have to be one of the top 5 for this year but maybe one whose at least had more than one season of starting experience.

There's analytics and then there's over-analytics. I'm not an engineer so all the numbers make for a mind-numbing affair to make sense of it all. It seems to me (as he alludes to in the QB data piece) that ..."the NFL Draft largely remains a total guessing game." You have players like Brees who are not the 'protypical' NFL QB at 6'4 plus and has easily had a very successful NFL career where his Combine results were anything but successful. His college stats weren't bad (in fact Trubisky did better his senior year than did Brees) but again probably weren't a true indicator of his NFL potential. Conversely, Brady wasn't even a starter until his Junior year, and again his college stats were even less stellar. And we all know although he did participate in the Combine his performance there wasn't enough to raise him any higher than a sixth-round draft pick. And what about arm strength and velocity as a measure? Look no further than Jay Cutler (himeself a first round pick) to know that talent doesn't necessarily translate to success on the big stage. Of this year's prospects, we could just as easily say those that are at the high end of the draft board have as just a chance to succeed/fail as those at the other end. "Experts" be darned.

But why not? What if they get someone they find out is better at running the offense and understanding ‘football 200’? What if that person is able to do it before the season starts? Are WE concerned with making Pace look bad?

Yeah, saw an interview on NFL Network with Kyle Long (not sure how old the interview was). But they started to talk about potential QBs coming to Chicago and he cut them off to say the team needed a POWER running game. And that although both current backs (Montgomery and Cohen) are great scat backs, they still needed that power running game. When asked if Jordan Howard was that guy Long stopped short of saying yes. But instead said he’s a great back and he’s not currently on the team. And that the answer is “out there somewhere”.

So my typing DANG IT then explaining how I understood him not coming to the Bears because he cost so much means I “walked back” my thoughts? Wow...just wow. I’ll try this again. Yes I would have liked to have seen him come back to Chicago (why I said DANG IT). At the time I didn’t know he would cost as much as he did. I don’t really pay attention to all that . But once I saw how much I realized it didn’t make a lot of sense. Not with all the other issues on the team. Your counter-claim to me was not about that at all. You said he was an injury risk. I didn’t agree to the level you did. His talent, to me, outweighs what you perceive as an extensive injury history. Which he does not have. Yes he has had a rough two years but who on the Bears TE grouping is better than he with talent and lack of injury history?

Agreed. He seems like a perfect U or Y TE (whichever catches more). The little they used him late in the season and out of the slot or in trips he almost always got at least 10ish YACs.

I will if or when I am. ?

Too bad for both Gabriel and Amukamara. Injury and age ended up getting the best of them. Good luck to them both and thank you for your service. FWIW between Gabriel and Miller I’d have chose Gabriel every day and Tuesday. (And no I’m not saying they made a bad choice in releasing Taylor - I’m just sayin).

So we wait two more years to see if Trubisky works out? The defense doesn’t have that long a shelf life. We’ll be lucky if Mack and Hicks will be around that long. I suppose it comes down to tom-AY-to, tom-AH-to.

I’d be cool with Dalton as a 1a option. Something about Keenum I just don’t trust/like. And you mentioned McCarron who’d be an intriguing 1b option.

Sorry to disagree but Tennessee did it last year and it worked for them.

First thing; I have to get me one of those jackets. Second thing; is he doing this show in front of a green screen? And lastly, when he listed his number one as Carr (and all the reasons why) i stopped watching. All he’s done is convince me that Carr is the best option if not to compete with Trubisky, to replace him. I especially took notice of his comparison to what the Titans did with Mariota and Tanehill last year. You make good points about the rest of the QBs you listed. I especially like the idea of Moore and Smiths familiarity of this offense but also believe Smith may not be able to physically play again and Moore to me is more similar to our current back up Daniel. If you look at the total package with money involved, this also helps these two. But again, Carr to me is the best option...right now.

Agreed. I wanted to be clear that at $7 million and with the bevy of needs Chicago has, Olsen wouldn’t be prudent. Some just like to ignore all of what’s said to make a point. Potential injuries aside, he’s still a better option than the current TEs on the roster.

Ha! I didn’t know I had any credibility with you. Lol... Well then credibility be damned because the stats are what they are. Yes I know Trubisky has a ‘lame line’ and ‘his receivers run the wrong routes’ and ‘Nagy doesn’t call the right plays’ (and so on) but right now, Carr is the better option. Someday Trubisky could be the better option, maybe even next season but so far I don’t have any proof to tell me that is a guarantee.

But...if he comes to Chicago he easily becomes the best QB on the roster.

I don't know why but this screams Dion Sims to me. Was all excited when I saw his highlights and bummed when the guy in the highlights wasn't the same in person.

These are the same sources that told us Trubisky was a starter? (Sorry...couldn't resist).

Interesting... again, I hadn't really heard about the different type TEs. Seems like Pass Rusher has worked into the vernacular when before they were all called defensive ends. It seems that this style offense, roughly based off of WCO would have a need for more short and intermediate pass receivers thus a reason for more catch capable TEs. But to have another that is just doing blocking? What happened to the FB's? Isn't that what they were for? Or is this the final stage of the complete elimination of FBs?

I see some speculation that it could mean Mack back to the Raiders (which i HIGHLY DOUBT and HOPE). But I know Carr and Gruden's relationship has been tenuous at best so... I see this as more a speculation of what's to come and knowing the Bears need (or are in the market for) a veteran backup. I'd be good with Carr coming over if he didn't break the bank.

Interesting. So what type of TE was Ditka? Or was that a more recent development?

Interesting take on the Bears hope to get Mariota. Who knew they had so many similarities? Former overall second picks, less than stellar careers ... so far, and the same agents? In a related story I saw that there was speculation the Bears could consider someone like QB Jake Fromm in the second round...interesting. https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/15/titans-quarterback-marcus-mariota-might-not-be-option-for-chicago-bears-in-free-agency/amp/

Honestly I didn’t know there were so many different versions of TEs (Ys and Us - what the heck?) so yeah I could see that. Which TE besides Burton is a proven possession TE? Which is that, Y or U? At the rate their going they’ll have 6-8 TEs on the roster. Which with the need they have in helping to block and more people that can catch short and intermediate catches to help Trubisky makes sense.

So isn’t he just a more expensive version of Sowell? Meant more to block than he is receive? Why not just get a FB? They cost a lot cheaper.

And here I thought you were Pace with all your guarantees. I won’t take the bait on whether I or anyone else could do a better job than Pace. And I made it quite clear that now I see the asking price of $7 million I get why the Bears balked if they were even interested. But citing ‘injury risks’ as a concern for not wanting to bring a guy into your team who has had a relatively low injury history AND a successful career is ludicrous. That would be like saying we should abandon Trubiksy as our Franchise QB solely based on his “injury risk”. C’mon man...

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