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When you have a team with as many holes as our team has/had then you can call it 'unexplainable' (sic). When you trade away 2-3 current draft picks and another for next year, without knowing this kid's potential, you call it inexplicable. How is he 'arguably' the best QB in the draft? Either you accept the expert's analysis of him or you don't. It seems with all the bad-mouthing from sites like WalterFootball, Deadspin and SI.com and "experts" like Skip Bayless, Steven Smith, Mel Kiper and Pete Prisco and on and on, we are consoling each other and saying ignore all the negativity. Yet we make an argument that Trubisky could be the next best thing for the Bears? How, intuition? What has he done to earn all this praise? He played 13 games with a record of 8-5 against which teams? Did he play in a pro-style offense? No. He was called "Mr Football" in Ohio when he played HS football? So what? Johnny Manziel was Mr.Football when he played collegiately for A&M; look where that got him. I just don't get it. 'We' were schooled by a rookie GM in San Francisco and bested by a perennial losing team in Cleveland. As much as it pains me, Cleveland laid the ground work for a draft the way its supposed to go; especially for a team lacking across the board talent and having many holes it needed filled. They drafted three (3!!!) quality players in the first round and still got a decent QB in the second round. The same QB that our Bears spent all their time (or a large portion of time) researching. About that. How do you explain a pick that he himself didn't expect because there was no meeting and no pre-draft primer to suggest he would be picked by our team. How about the rumor Fox was kept in the dark? How about the fact Glennon is on record as saying he feels 'cheated on'? Is this the kind of drama our team needed? Let alone the sacrificial moves to get there This whole trying to look cunning by picking D2 talent is ludicrous. On face value we already have a player that is "Sproles-like'" and can be a joystick by the name of Benny Cunningham. A lot of those "experts" suspect Cohen won't be able to hold up the NFL grind. We know Cunningham can because he's been doing it for a few years already. And this idea that Sheehan is Gronk's second coming...please. How about we wait and see how he shapes up to actual competition instead of those D2 powerhouses of Mercyhurst, Tiffin and Michigan Tech. The one (of the small school picks (3 of the 5 picks by the way)) that made the most sense was Kutztown's Jordan Morgan. Being that he was/is an OT. Unfortunately we waited until the 5th round to address that need....with a D2 player. Pace has had his time to have his 'talent evaluation' and the team still is losing games. Will they win more this year? Still remains to be seen, but building the team in this manner goes against so much conventional wisdom it's nearly laughable. If it were the Cleveland Browns or Green Bay Packers, it would be laughable. But since its the Bears, I'm not sure what to think.
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It's hard to be even a little optimistic when you keep seeing stuff like this. The one upside in the whole draft, Jackson, has injury issues but hopefully not enough to hamper his contributions. If there is any hope for this draft to be a success he'll need to contribute sooner than later.
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I'm pretty sure SF would've picked Thomas regardless. But agreed, would've really liked to have seen a defender (Adams or even Watson - although we could've traded back for him IMHO). Relatively happy with Jackson (agree with you). Would've liked to have seen a big body WR somewhere. Still also think we'll need an ILB this year.
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SPEAK BROTHER JASON!!!
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Cmon Ryan. Admit it, your draft sucked so please do something positive and get rid of Sanchez before he actually has to soil a Bears uniform.
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Should've completely edited that last line out entirely. Lynch was probably lying his ass off. The more I listen about Trubisky the more I dislike him; at that pick.
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In my mind Pace is grading downward ever so slight. Personally I think the Trubisky deal is a close FUBAR situation. Good to have a potential franchise QB? Sure(?) but at what cost? If true Fox didn't know thenthat by itself could make this year interesting. Many of the 'expert' analysts are having quite a laugh at our expense. Hell the home crowd at the Bulls game booed Trubisky last night when he was introduced. (But then so was Glennon at the Cubs opener). HOPEFULLY our team can prove them wrong. I'm not optimistic but I'll keep my digits crossed. I'm going to predict that Connor Shaw will end up in at least the number #2 spot. Partly (mostly) because I absolutely hate the idea of Sanchez on the team. Butt fumble extraordanaire.
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Didn't we sign a player, Benny Cunningham from the Rams, who virtually is the same type player? I'm with you Jason. This whole draft really made no sense.
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I'm equally overly unimpressed with this years draft class. Aside from the safety from Alabama (who unfortunately has questionable injury history) I really am not looking too forward to the overall production of this class. Still waiting for about half of our class last year to do something. And the 1st from two years ago to contribute. How long before we hear White is out with another season ender? I'm still convinced that we're not set at ILB even if Kwitkowski steps up. I'm not one who believes Trevathan will return to full power if ever. Freeman is aging quick and outside of Kwit, who we got? This whole draft starting out with Trubisky and how it came about soured me significantly to Paces ability. I'm hoping to be way wrong on all this but I feel about as inspired as I did when Cutler used to start each game. Mad, I'm going to have invest in some major bottlage of Laughvilan this year. Haha
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Little bummed to see the injury report which also included an ACL injury two years ago. But at least he wasn't a 1st round choice with that history. Looking forward to his contributions.
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Finally, an Alabama defender!!! And a little more reading up on him, prior to his injury (fractured leg) against Texas A&M last year, he had 7 INTs (two for TDs) and many speculated as the "top cover safety" coming out of college. What's more Saban described him as a team leader and was the one responsible for getting the defensive secondary lined up. All this sounds great! Finally a drafted player I'm excited about!!!
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Pace will probably draft a RB out from Trinity Christian College. Home of the fighting Trolls. I'd hope he look at a FS or CB at this point.
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But I mean c'mon, in the second round? Really? You seriously think ANYONE else was looking at this guy anywhere on the draft board? I'm fairly confident Pace coulda gotten him in later rounds or even as a UDFA. I'm really starting to think Pace is trying to overthink it and get cute. He's acting a bit like Emery where he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room.
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Check out the updated Wikipedia page linked in the story. Lolololol. Gotta love us Bears fans! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000080...y-low-for-a-bit
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Looks as though the Jets could be shopping both DT Sheldon Richardson and S Calvin Pryor today. I believe last year we were interested in Richardson (?) but they wanted too much. Now he might be had for a fourth (which we have extra of). As far as the financials go, not sure how feasible it would be. Both positions are 'of need' for us. ???? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000080...-day-2-of-draft
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What strikes me as funny and if memory serves, you weren't too keen on Pace before. Your opinion of him different now?
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Yeah, that's not good. To me I don't like it. But the 'out' is, should Trubisky fail, Fox can say he didn't pick him and they'll shitcan Pace. Given Fox's relative success in the league and Pace's new guy aura I'd be pretty pissed if I were Fox. Maybe I'm reading into it but wasn't it last year there was talk that Fox was running roughshod on most everyone and there was potentially some disparity amongst the ranks? We know Fox and Elway crossthreaded one another when in Denver, hence why we ended up with him, so perhaps this is a sign of a deeper issue? I'd be willing to guess with both Fox's and Fangio's background in defense, Fangio probably didn't agree to this either.
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For all we know Lynch could have sent those tweets. With the regard of Pace trying to move up for Mariotta a few years ago, a large chip in that deal was Cutler. No one wanted that, let alone Tennessee. But as far as San Fran not having a QB of the future, there are still Kaaya, Webb and Kizer on the board. All relatively capable QBs. Especially for a team with Kyle Shannahan as coach.
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Not if Jimmy G still is.
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Kizer is still on the board. He was considered by many here as a starter worthy QB. If Cleveland really thinks Osweiler worthy then maybe they give him one last shot(?). Not as much pressure as when he was in Houston. And Cody Kessler (third round last year from USC) isn't the worst QB out there. Had a decent career in college. In SF I'll point out again that Kizer is still available. But you have a decent starter in Hoyer (did ok for us) and wunderkid Kyle Shanahan at the helm, so again QB may have not been as much a need. To me, Cleveland and SF addressed multiple needs with relatively little risk whereas as Chicago addressed one need with a huge mortgage. Chicago was (still is) in that 'multiple need' category and now has less quality picks to address those needs. I might point out a quote from you on another thread: "Also, this is almost reverse to how you build a team. You need a good core in place before bringing in the franchise QB so you maximize the years of the rookie deal (see Seattle). Going the other way, QB first, has proven not to work, see Carr in Houston, Cleveland, etc. They had crappy teams, went QB instead of filling out their core, and never went anywhere because the QB got killed." It appears st least Cleveland did exactly what you suggested and wished Chicago would've done. And as far as QBs go, I'm officially now a fan of Glennon and hope he remains our starter for years to come. Still not sold on Trubisky.
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I'd like to see some combo of Kevin King (big Fangio style CB) , Budda Baker (adjustable position player) and/or DeDe Westbrook (although he's just another speedster which seems we have plenty of). If WR we probably need a big AJ-like receiver. And kinda surprised Kizer is still available.
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That doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
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I sure hope this works out in the long run. Right now it seems weird to think our guy was bested by Cleveland (3 firsts yesterday; Garrett, Peppers, Njouku and an extra one next year) and a rookie GM in San Francisco (with two firsts this year - Thomas and Foster). And for a team that had a decent set of picks going in needing to address multiple positions, we now have less to address less...for now.
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Have to say I agree with this rationale. And that I'm with you on a QB pick. Just not sure this was the right way to do it.
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Can someone please explain what the heck just happened? I missed the draft and on the way home am listening to nothing but major flaming on the Bears. Not just the pick of Trubisky but how they got to 2 to get him. I'll admit I'm a fan of pick at QB BUT not him and not at the cost.
