jason

He said it in the original mock that I made - different thread - which precipitated this entire process. It's too difficult for everyone to keep track of all other mocks, and reply to the other mocks, and the objections, that's why I'm trying to just adjust the single mock that I am doing to get to an agreed upon mock by all. One that everyone can tolerate that isn't quite their own. Instead of a new mock, suggest a change to the one proposed. I changed it last time based on your proposals. That's what I'm talking about with muddying the waters. Following a single draft and modifying that one makes this an exercise. Everyone submitting their version makes it pointless because we couldn't possible adjust everyone's at the same time. As far as QB goes, many on this board have talked about A. Disliking Cutler, B. Always trying to find a QB prospect, and C. Drafting a QB prospect each year until one is successful.

You're also muddying the waters if you don't follow the objections of others. Dawhizz has already stated he wouldn't be in favor of a draft that addressed the 2015 OL with Grassu in the 3rd and Mason in the 5th. Also, no way IN HELL, I'm cool with a draft that has a RB in the 2nd, unless the Bears trade Forte for that extra second. That would be horrible.

Dude, c'mon, you're muddying the waters. You give kudos to the draft that takes Donovan Smith in the 3rd, but dumped on the draft that had Grassu in the 3rd and Mason in the 5th?

I'd probably trade him for a second if it were offered. And I have my eyeballs on TJ Yeldon with that pick. But that isn't going to happen. No way the Bears get a 2nd for a 3-down, workhorse back who is getting close to reaching his overhaul mileage.

What pick(s)? I don't think the Bears could get more than a third for him. I'd rather hold onto him if that's the case. He will definitely produce better than a 3rd round pick normally would. Or would you make the new draftee fight for PT with Carey and Quiz?

Interesting proposition! That could immediately bolster their defense.

Issues: AZ54 - More WR prioritization, RB depth addressed, Deprioritize QB Dawhizz - More WR prioritization, Must address 2015 Offensive holes [NO-MANNION, JORDAN PHILLIPS, BECKHAM-GREEN] Stinger - More WR prioritization [NO-ARIE KUOANDJIO] bear trap - RB depth addressed (cold weather RB), [NO-LANDON COLLINS, SAMMIE COATES, DUKE JOHNSON] Taking all those things into consideration... 2015 MOCK DRAFT 4.0 1.20- Malcom Brown, DT, Texas 2.39- Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State 2.52- Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke 3-David Cobb, RB, Minnesota 4-Kurtis Drummond, FS, Mich. St. 5-Za'Darius Smith, OLB, Kentucky 6-Cody Fajardo, QB, Nevada

That doesn't address already established issues with people hating Shaq Thompson, and it also fails the "help the OL this year" clause.

That doesn't even address one of your main issues!!! You wanted OL help THIS YEAR.

I still think Mettenburger is a very good prospect. The Titans have other issues, and it makes more sense for them to go with Williams.

Issues: AZ54 - More WR prioritization, RB depth addressed, Deprioritize QB Dawhizz - More WR prioritization, Must address 2015 Offensive holes [NO-MANNION] Stinger - More WR prioritization [NO-ARIE KUOANDJIO] bear trap - RB depth addressed, [NO-LANDON COLLINS, SAMMIE COATES] Taking all those things into consideration, and the recent minor hiccup with Forte... 2015 MOCK DRAFT 3.0 1.20- Jordan Phillips, NT, OK 2.39- Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, OK 2.52- Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke 3-Duke Johnson, RB, Miami 4-Kurtis Drummond, FS, Mich. St. 5-Za'Darius Smith, OLB, Kentucky 6-Cody Fajardo, QB, Nevada I'm not sure there is a draft we can all agree upon, especially because I view prioritization of the RB position to be a very bad, unnecessary move. Ignoring my opinion on that minor matter, however, what are the issues with that draft?

I've thought the same thing, but the prevailing thought is that WR is needed. Alshon - 1300 would be about the midway point from the past two years Royal - 600 would be a dip from the last two years Bennett - 800 average Forte - 600 average, and Fox likes to use RBs in the passing game Wilson - 200? Carey - 100? Rookie - How much is there to dish out? Two scenarios: 1) Alshon turns into Brandon Marshall (without lockeroom issues), and the rookie steps right into the #2 Alshon role. Result - Rookie gets about 900yds? That likely means less production from Royal, Bennett, Forte. So instead of 2000 combined, let's call it 1600. 1300+1600+900+200+100 2) Alshon steps up, but not quite as much, which means the Bears have to rely on the vets more, and the rookie less. Result - Rookie gets about 500yds, and the Royal+Bennett+Forte combo gets close to their 2000 number. 1300+2000+500+200+100 Either way, I see about 4000 yards. And, before anyone asks, yes, I realize it's more than last year. I think the combo of new coaches, and the lack of dependancy on Marshall, will allow Cutler to flourish.

Much appreciated. Likewise. I really get into this stuff, and love everything about football. I spend waaaay too much time doing this stuff.

Is there any way for us to have a draft that everyone would like? First premise: We'd all like a trade-down if possible. Solution: Mariota falls, Chip Kelly trades up. Eagles send: 1.20, 2.52, 2016 2nd rd pick Bears sent: 1.7 Now the Bears have a mid/late 1st rounder, two 2nd round picks, and a 2016 2nd. In my last mock I proposed the following: 2015 MOCK DRAFT 1.0 1.20- Landon Collins, S, Alabama 2.39- Eddie Goldman, NT, FSU 2.52- Bernardrick McKinney, ILB, MSU 3-Hronis Grassu, C, Oregon 4-Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon St. 5-Shaquille Mason, OG, GT 6-Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke Problem 1-AZ54 doesn't like McKinney, and would prefer WR at that spot. Dawhizz and Stinger both think WR needs to go earlier. Problem 2-AZ54 would like to see RB depth addressed on day 3. Problem 3-Dawhizz doesn't think it addresses enough 2015 offensive holes, noting the OL deficiencies. Problem 4-Dawhizz doesn't like Mannion that much. Redraft: 2015 MOCK DRAFT 2.0 1.20- Landon Collins, S, Alabama 2.39- Eddie Goldman, NT, FSU 2.52- Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn 3-Arie Kouandjio, G, Alabama 4-Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State 5-Za'Darius Smith, OLB, Kentucky 6-Karlos Williams, RB, FSU P1 - McKinney is gone, and Sammie Coates gets picked in the second round. Huge upside and will contribute immediately. P2 - Karlos Williams, check. P3 - Kouandjio starts at RG, Long moves to OT. P4 - Grayson replaces Mannion. Based on those moves, other changes obviously had to be made. Who would have a problem with that draft?

Patience grasshopper. I had pressing work this morning. With their second round selection, the San Francisco 49ers select Sammie Coates WR Auburn. Torrey Smith and Jerome Simpson made the brass feel a little more comfortable, but not comfortable enough. Looks like a match made in heaven since Coates has massive skills, athletic ability, and an immense ceiling. KKD and the Dolphins are on the clock.

That was more than likely based on potential and draft position. Orton had/has a low ceiling, and Tebow at that time was unknown. Hell, for that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Tebow visit Chicago. Dude is just one of those guys who knows how to win. It's nearly impossible to put into stats, but he does. And at least the people who hate Cutler's throws won't go crazy with Tebow making the same type of mistakes - because we all know Tebow is going to take off and run, and run well, if his first read isn't there.

I don't dislike Kendricks. I just think Shaq has great potential and is a superb play-maker. He's just one of those guys who is around the ball and has a knack for big plays.

1. S 2. OG 3. DE 4. WR

They'd trade their 1 and 2, and a pick next year. That pick next year would have to be something high as well, either a 1 or 2. Based on the trade value chart, that works.

The draft goes: 1. Winston 2. Williams 3. Fowler 4. White 5. Beasley 6. Ray Mariota is there at 7 and Chip Kelly comes calling. He offers his 1st (20), his 2nd (52), and something next year to move up. Pace happily accepts. 1.20- Landon Collins, S, Alabama 2.39- Eddie Goldman, NT, FSU 2.52- Bernardrick McKinney, ILB, MSU 3-Hronis Grassu, C, Oregon 4-Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon St. 5-Shaquille Mason, OG, GT 6-Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke 7-Deshazor Everett, CB, TX A&M

I'd like that quite a bit. I prefer Cooper over White since compliments Alshon better, and I don't like the UVA safety, but that would be a good draft in my mind.

The Bears select AJ Cann, OG, South Carolina. A.J. Cann...start immediately. Picking the #1 true OG in the draft is inarguable value, and sets up the much talked about move of Long to OT. Don't like Armistead. Shaq has question marks. Too early for QB or RB. Almost went with McKinney out of MSU, but felt Cann was a higher value. Jordan Phillips was the second choice, but his back injury history, laziness, and uncertainty on the Bears roster made the Cann pick easier to swallow. New York Giants (Adam) on the clock.

Agreed 1000%.

2.1 - The Titans select Ronald Darby, CB, FSU. TB (Stinger) on the clock. You know Lovie is itching to pick a DB from a division II school.

BAM!