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I dont think I said he said (he's the man) just that he is playing better.

Adam is a stats guy and a big IF we win out, its a math thing. . If we end up with 7 wins I would be over joyed, that is what progress is. Even last year I always rooted for us to when every game, after we would lose, I would say at least we have a chance at the first pick. I never root for us to lose. I can always find something positive to say about our chances, but the Bears seem to always find stupid reasons why they lose. hard to not think about that.

He was just on the SCORE and repeated everything I stated . His biggest attribute is he sees him getting better which is all my point was anyways. He never did say he was totally all in on him.

In the far past we have butted heads many times but since the new regime has taken over we seem to be on the same page. Kudos for being well spoken on this issue. I think you make a lot of good points.

Fans go either way on their opinions. Some people only notice the mistakes and some just see the good things Fields does. I pay attention what former QBs say , they are in a better place to see how a player is doing on the field. Fields has the intangibles to play the position , leadership, hard worker, tough player, totally has the respect of his team. He is accountable when he plays bad. Everyone worries about arm strength, and no one questions that. His biggest complain is his decision making. He appears to be getting better or that's what the former QBs notice. Remember last year the NFL players voted him the 86th best player in the league coming off a bad year. They voted him ahead of Trevor Lawrence, that is clearly respect from your peers. So we're going to bring in a rookie and they have to diagnose all of his traits not just his passing skills. Lots of questions about Williams attitude already stated he would only play for 3 teams. We are not on that list. His size will bring questions about durability issues. People throw around the word ( generational) way to much. Mahomes was never mentioned in that context. Was Burrows? I don't remember. Do we have to go back to Luck to say that? I dont think NFL people have any idea what that is.

Aikman for the first time questioned the moving on from Fields. If you listened to him earlier in the season, he was totally (move on). But like many former players, he seen some good in Justin . Can players get better? The answer to that is yes.

Im on X and man is this a hot topic and vey evenly divided. Someone did a poll of 4000 fans and 60% want to keep Justin. Lets face it fans opinions dont count , its what Poles does. What is best for the future of the Bears? the question should be, what gets us more wins next year? Continue building the roster, then the big questions, new coaches, new QB? Im glad that I dont have to make that decision.

God coaches adapt to their talent, that's what good coaches do. Fields plays in the pocket much more than on the move. Unfortunately. If he goes somewhere else, you're right it wont matter but what if he is playing better than our rookie QB? will that matter?

If we change the coaches and QB, we could look at another few years of growing pains. IF we go 4-1 or 3-2 does Flus save his Job? I could see Flus staying and just changing a OC. Getsy has had some good and bad but a better coach will make whoever the QB is better. I would like to see Todd Monken , the OC for Ravens. He adapts to the talent not push schemes over players. I get not looking at Fields favorably , lots of bad tape but to assume a rookie QB is going to ride in on a white horse and we become a playoff contender is naive. If good it will have a couple of yrs of growing pains. everyone looks at Stroud season and think that will happen, that is rare; more bad examples than good. Stroud lost to the mighty Panthers 2 weeks before we played them, Stroud was 16-24 for 140 yards no TDs. That's a Fields type game. He had a 4 interception game a few weeks ago . Everyone wants to just remember his couple of great games but not his bad.

QBs never play flawless games. this an example of a generational QB that doesnt always plays well. He has a great coach but his OL and weapons arent as great as they once were, so now he makes more average play. That is why I think building a team to support any QB is important. Had Mahomes been with the Bears these last 2 yrs, he would be very average. Fields has more bad than good ,but just lately you are just seeing some flash traits. Lets face it, players and coaches are measured on wins. Let's see what the last 5 games show us. I want Flus gone but if he wins his last 5 games, he may still be here. If Fields shows you enough growth, Poles may decide to keep him . In the NFL , its about what have you done for me lately.

This is a top 100 draft list by some respected football people. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10098827-2024-nfl-draft-big-board-br-nfl-scouting-depts-latest-top-100-player-rankings

I thought Field's Vikings game was a negative except for the final drive and won the game. We have been asking for that all season. On his report card, -1 for that game. Every game has good and bad, his bad outweighed his last good. Poles may already have his mind made up , but if that is the case , who is he franchise QB? If he's Williams, that makes me worried. Against good competition, he hasn't looked good. He has piled up stats but they were always behind , empty calories. Plus he is 2" shorter and 20 lbs less. If you applied that this year, that's Bryce Young. Would you be okay if we drafted Bryce Young? Of course you have to give 3-4 to accurately judge a draft pick. The last 5 games are important for what risk factor is lower , A rookie QB or Field's improvement. No matter how the rest of the season turns out, I still think doubling down is the best scenario. You e!iminate the risk of going somewhere else and being good. Now if you trade back and recover another 2 nd, 1st round next year , you still have 2 1st first round picks and the rest of your draft to improve your roster which helps a rookie or Justin. Decide who is your QB other than the top two, draft him with your 2nd first or if you think he can be gotten in the second. Take a QB , sit behind Fields and he will get his chance to play. If Fields fails you have another shot at the ring with a drafted QB to work with. All of your choices have risks, I think the 2 QB choice gives the Bears the best chance to succeed.

I agree that his worst trait is TOs, if that continues, the rest of the stats wont matter. Agree with the 1-1 report card.

I dont think he has to win out but definitely where we can see the growth. The team is healthy but its largely affected by the coaches, something that can make or break that growth. Its all about the last 6 games.

You are always the voice of reason. Well at least sometimes.

Im not trying make excuses. Lets say we drafted Mahomes, no way he finds the success he found in KC if he were here .He had a great coach, a built team , sat for a year to learn the NFL. Here he would probably be a good QB but not the icon everyone compares to. The other circumstances matter in the development of a QB. Is Fields where you want him to be , no, but you cant dismiss a 4 TD - 334 yards game either. With all QBs its about consistent play, Fields is not there, I am not blind to that but we have 6 games to see if he grows or is lacking. Players can get better as they get more experience, Tua is a good example, he didnt get better until they gave him Hill and a better running game. Plus they hired McDaniel. This is his second year and all of a sudden, Tua is playing exceptional well. Poles needs to win next year, what option gives him a better chance ? I think 2 QBs rather than take a risk with either choice. My problem is Williams or Maye generational? I dont think so but I trust Poles to figure it out.

If we stopped today, Fields is considered a failure. BUT we still have 6 games to go , if you add 3 (Detroit ) games and 3 (Minny) games . then where does the upside land? I dont count his first year of a year under Nagy, no first team reps, and then got thrown in the fire with a 9 sack game. Totally a wasted year. So I look at a depleted roster last year with a first year coaching staff that finally adapted to his skill set and had some success. Now this year, he started bad with an injured OL, a OC forcing him to sit in the pocket. Then several games pop that show progress . Denver, Washington, and Detroit. How he plays the last 6 games will determine his progress. The key to this progress will be a new coaching staff and probably MHJ next year. Now how much better will he be next year? we dont know but also dont know the prospects of a new rookie QB. So what is better for the team next year a better Fields or a rookie QB. It could be a Bryce Young or CJ Stroud, the problem is there is risk in that option to, you have seen progress in Fields. The last great QB taken was Burrows in 2020. Tua developed in his 4th yr. , Justin Hebert, good but still a loser, Jorden Love ???. then Hurts picked at 53. 4 years into their development Burrows always hurt, Hurts and Tua playing well . In 221 Lawerence is still developing and everyone else has failed, only Fields is still a starter. In 2022 out of 8 QBs taken , only a 5th round pick and last pick in the draft have shown success. Howell and Purdy, one year wonders so far. the point is who is the right QB? That answer could make you get you fired or hired. What I think we should do is keep Fields ( in case he finally develops) and draft a prospect not one of the first 2 picks. That way you double down with 2 shots at the brass ring. Having 2 QBs didnt seem to hurt when the Packers had Farve and Rodgers sitting. there are several prospects in the draft this year. Its not Williams-Maye or bust.

I listened to the SCORE all day and the afternoon crew proposed a either or for the QB situation. They didnt go into depth but keep it simple. You have 2 choices: A: Trade Fields and draft Williams, you have a losing record for 2 yrs but in his 3rd yr he is the 5-10 best QB in the league. B: You go with Fields and have a winning record for the next 2 yrs but he only become the 10-15 QB in the league but you get to draft MHJ. To answer that honestly, there are several variables I would need to know but in this context, I would take B At this moment in time Goff is in 5th and Lawrence is 10. I used the NFL passing position which is based on yards. If you went by actuality Mahomes ,Burrow, Hurts, Allen ,Jackson, Herbert in some sense of order. 10 to 15 would be Cousins, Goff, Wilson, Watkins, Purdy. I used a CBS poll for reference.

go bears , we're getting better.

He's making 4.5 mil this year with bonus. (OTC) The top 5 kickers are over 5 mil a year. He's 15th in the league in pay now. AYS. Give him a 3 yr fully guarantee at 5 mil a yr?

I tried to put forth a peace treaty but you dont seem to be interested.

I found where the top pick in 2024 draft gets 8 mil a yr , day 1 but cant find where the money is in future drafts. That's 2 mil more than Fields 4 th year salary. ( if i read all of that right. ) Does anyone have that info?

That's the website that I do all my mocking on and some scenarios are unrealistic. They adjust as the season moves forward but there will be several QBs taken in the first round, they only have 3 now I think. Maybe Nix makes it there also.

What do you call when someone starts name calling? No where did I bad mouth you until you started the bullcrap. Stop responding on my posts and ill quit responding to yours. If someone else posts something and I respond , stop thinking it's about you and everything will be fine.

Been saying the same thing lately. If the last 6 games are lacking, move on. If there is still hope, keep him and draft a prospect. It would suck to cut him loose and choose a top 2 QB and it not work out then Justin becomes who he has the talent to be. Another thing I saw was in 2025, if it's a QB drafted at #1, the pay goes up to 21 mil a year. I need to check if that's true but someone posted that information on X. I know X isn't the most reliable source for information.