Stinger226
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I think extending means more than just giving him more money. Poles gives him lots of credit for everything that has happened so far. He turned down a GM job in the past so I think he thinks we have a chance to get to a SB and wants to be here for that event. Waiting a couple years of the emergence of a quality team has to be financially favorable for his future plus he shows loyalty. I think if the right job gets offered, he will take it but a bigger resume of success can't hurt either.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Fields was never leading any team to 10 wins. This is a whole narrative that's been proven false now. No one wanted him, no one traded much for him, and the team that did get him didnt exercise the 5th year option.
The real Fields in the real world is not a good NFL quarterback, and if Caleb leads us to 10 wins, that will be fantastic.Your entitled to your opinions but it's based on a hypothesis, so it can't be proven. I think with better play calling and a better roster, he could have been a top 10-15 QB. ( His last 7 games he was the 11th ranked QB) The lack of trade value has a lot to do with timing. Poles didn't decide to trade him until well after the combine, after most spots were filled.
There are 2 reasons he's not here. We got lucky and got the top pick, if we didn't have a top 3 pick, he would still be here. Also having to pay him big money in 2025 and forward came in to play. He hasn't shown enough to get a big contract.
I think he proves himself and becomes a starter in Pittsburgh. He's never going to be elite but obviously history tells us you don't have to be to win a SB. Poles choose Caleb because he can become elite and that doesn't automatically mean Justin is a garbage QB.
All of this is my opinion and can't be proven until a few years have passed to see if it was accurate.
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Here's a video about Caleb and one gen stat says his release time is 0.28 compared to the NFL average is 0.45. A split second in a pass play matters.
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2 hours ago, jason said:
We disagree. Great WRs don't always allow a QB to release quicker.
Where are you getting this? By nearly all accounts, the problem with Williams is the same as Fields: he holds the ball too long. His release is quick, but his decisions are not.
It's coming from my common sense. It's not a 100% statement but if you have better talent at WR, logic tells me they get open more often than bad WRs. Trust in your WRs allows QBs to anticipate throws quicker in their decision making.
Example: Justin had a quicker release time with DJ last year than with Tyler Scott. He trusted him to be where he was supposed to be and catch the ball so he didn't have to wait until he got open, he could anticipate. Now if you're first read is throwing a deep route obviously he will hold the ball longer but it's a general statement.
Im sure there are some next generation stats that show that but it's ok if you disagree with me . I'm not trying to plant a flag with that comment it's just part of a conversation. I could be wrong.
Another thing, I don't think their taking OL at 9 but I watched a video with some journalists discussed the OL and I now thinks it's very possible in in a trade back. They were talking about Jenkins and his injury history. Plus this is his last year in contract. So if Poles doesn't want to pay him, he may draft his replacement now and have him starting next year. That makes sense to me .
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2 hours ago, jason said:
Perhaps, but if we all expected Fields to take another step and lead the team to ~10 wins, then replacing him means we should expect more. Otherwise, replacing him doesn't make sense. The word generational is thrown around a lot, and the rookie expectation is now incredibly high because of Stroud. As a result, Williams needs to be an improvement.
Having high expectations should be the hype but history tells us rookies have a learning curve. Poles has a building roster to make it easier for him but it comes down to him accepting the coaching and not trying to do much.
I'm sure fans in Carolina had high expectations for Bruce Young last year.
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16 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Is the above like the last X years worth of 1RP and who hit vs. who didn't by position?
So are those first round picks? What context did they use? Bust is easy to figure out but if we pick a WR at 9 , if he starts for most of his career or has to be the star because of his pick status?
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14 minutes ago, lemonej said:
My no trade Mock:
1. Caleb Williams USC QB - Both sides seemed to be locked in so much so that Caleb is on X saying he is a big fan of Rome Odunze
9. Rome Odunze Washington WR- This is the presumptive first pick's public choice but, if the top edge rusher is on the board , I'm grinding my teeth.
75. Bralen Trice Washington Edge- I like how tis player played in the CFP semifinal game against Texas putting pressure on the QB and setting the edge against the run. In the championship game it looked like Michigan schemed to minimize his production.
122. Sedrick Van Pran OC Georgia- with the moves that the Bears made in the offseason , the center position is still a mystery. So this is a pick that is insurance and long term continuity . So far Doug Kramer has not panned out
Van Pran won't make it to 122 but that would be a good draft.
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Who do you like not first round graded? Not necessarily sleepers.
At OC) Zack Frazier--Tanor Bortonlini-- Beaux Limmer
At WR) Ricky Pearsall--Roman Wilson's-- Luke McCaffrey--Ted Walker-- Johnny Wilson
At OL) Patrick Paul--Roger Rosengarten--Kiran Amedgadjie--Ask Zinter
At DE) Marshawn knee landmarks Isaac--Bralen Trice--No Kamara--Jonan Ellis--Jalx Hunt
At DT) Brandon cudos Jenkins--Gabe Hall
At) RB) Bucky Irving--Marshawn Lloyd--Blake Forum
At TE) Cade Stover--Theo Johnson--Tip Reiman
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3 hours ago, Pixote said:
That's the problem. You have been super sensitive ever since your issues with Stinger. Just because I said you were the only one I knew of who was trying to put a positive spin on the ND game doesn't mean I was busting your balls. Hell, there are over 8 billion people on Earth, over 340 million in the US. I'm sure there must be others who share your opinion. 😉
Please, just lighten up. I am a super passive individual. I could never troll or flame anyone. At 75 years old I have never once been involved in a physical altercation. I have always taught my kids to turn the other cheek. So you are reading me wrong. I am not the enemy! I'm a cuddly teddy bear. LOL
We have 340 million people in the country now? I thought the population was declining. ( my attempt at injecting stupid humor in a charged conversation). Oh by the way I get back on May 2_If you have any plumbing problems, I'd be glad to do free . I feel bad that you had such a stressful year. Be glad to help out a brother Bear alum.
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7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Also, if you watch that game, Williams rebounded in the second half and showed grit and competitiveness.
Not to get involved in a cat fight, Pix just said he had a bad game but the article was more positive than negative. You did push back on that comment. Probably to say( he had a bad game but played better in the second half would have been more clear.)
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12 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
Yup. If there is not a clear blue chip at nine, that he can't get at twenty, why not trade back and get two for one? Poles has put us in a great position. Not only has he exceeded my expectations, I have complete trust in him.
Me to. Unless JJ McCarthy is on the board, I can't see anyone giving us a great trade back scenario . Maybe Rome or Bowers would blow somebody's shirt up but just to get back a third and low round future wouldn't do it for me. Seen one mock where we got pick 23 and 27 for 9 . Depending on who's on the board , maybe a Chop Robinson and JPJ would make that worth it. Then a WR and BPA with the last two picks?
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I would have no problem with any blue chip player we get at 9. Since we don't have control over the picks in front of us, having Rome be the pick is premature but glad to see Caleb taking an interest in who we might get.
Watched a Greg Gabriel barroom video and he said he hasn't talked to Poles but two GMs from other teams that said the Bears are looking to trade back. That's a logical choice being we only have 4 picks. Of course that may depend on who's on the board. We don't know of any details so probably doesn't matter.
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3 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
Not entirely correct. Some of us had Darnell Wright as the target. All the glory goes to the dice that I rolled.
I'm speaking in a general sense, of course some individuals picked right but as a community they had us taking Carter .
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3 hours ago, dawhizz said:
The noise about the Bears consideringByron Murphy at 9 feels a lot like the noise this time last year about Darnell Wright.
I don't think anyone knows what Poles has in mind. For the last two years no-one has got it right.
A surprise for me would be to move back and draft JPJ in the late teens getting two extra picks.
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10 minutes ago, Pixote said:
Without a doubt, yes, but I doubt they'd offer both 2nd rounders. If they did, it would be an awesome opportunity to fill three needs, after the selection of CW, with quality players in the top 53 of the draft. Then we'd still have a 3rd, 4th and their 6th. Yowsa!
For the trade value to work out we would have to give them pick 75.
9) + 75) for 22 + 50 + 53 I suspect we get them to throw in a 6 th round pick. ( those are low point totals).
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19 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
If there was tampering it affects the entire league not just the Vikings. Any other team, including Chicago, could have pursued Cousins, although there is a logical end to the list of suitors. So the Bears were potentially harmed, as were other teams. Awarding the ATL pick to Minn further harms the Bears and the other teams that could have pursued Cousins. If they do that they are idiots.
Seen where Philadelphia wants to move up and we have a connection with Cunningham . They have 22+50+53 and three 6 th round picks.
Would you ? For 2 seconds, and a 6th. rounder, obviously pick 22
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4 hours ago, AZ54 said:
If you pick at 9 you should come away with a blue chip player at a premium position. These days with colleges running so many wide open offenses it’s not hard to find a good WR outside the top 15. If you really want a WR at 9 you should just trade down maybe way down to late first. Otherwise the drop off at the premium positions OT DE QB is rapid.
Seems like the most logical move. We brought in many players that are in the second round range that tells me he will trade back to get a pick there. Everyone wants a blue chip, he knows if those players are probable at a lower pick.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
I think part of Caleb's confidence is the fact that the Bears already told him they are drafting him #1. You can see how relaxed he is in that interview.
I heard he has regular conversations with the team already trying to get him up to speed with the offense. Or if was some players.
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Is there any .examples of this happening before? I can't think of any.
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5 minutes ago, jason said:
The bolded is where I take issue.
I’m 100% convinced that a WR does not have as big an impact when the OGs suck, but an OG can still have great impact when the WRs are dropping the ball. It’s chicken and egg stuff. Similarly, a great OL gives the QB time to throw, and even average WRS get open in the NFL if given enough time.
DE? Sure, maybe, but I don’t want defense. I want the Bears to transition into an offensive franchise…which is also what I said, and didn’t happen, with Trubisky or Fields.
. Jenkins is all pro when he plays. Averages 4 missed games a year. Nate Davis has a history of above average play. His mom died and he bombed the season. I fully expect him to get back to his usual play. He brought in Bates and Shelton that are both considered back up OGs. Are they great, no but gives better depth than last year.
I think he drafts a center and depending on who will back up Bates. JPJ or Frasier may even start.
So when I made that statement , it was taking in consideration of our existing roster. Our OGs are not going to suck.
Now 3 #1 WRs allows the QB to get the ball out quicker so the OL doesn't have to be great.That is also one of the strength of this QB, quick decisions and quick release.
A DE paired with Sweat will increase our sacks and TOs that helps any offense with field position and game changing plays. We were last in sacks last year and led the league in interceptions. Just imagine our pass rush just being average and what that produces.
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After be traded Fields, there was only one option where common sense comes into play. If he planned to take a different QB, he just would have kept Fields.
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Here is a mock draft that I could live with except I don't know anything about the OT at the end of the draft.
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If they drafted all oline I would understand that but Poles isn't going to do that. If Alt drops to 9 , BPA logic tells you to take him but I don't think that will happen.
Poles is not drafting a OG at 9, you can make all kinds of scenarios for it. A WR or DE will have more of an impact than a guard,now if he moves back to the teens then I think JPJ is more in play than a OG. It was the worst in the league last year and JPJ is probably future pro bowl.
The guards this year is not going to be a problem. If Jenkins has injury issues again he brought in competent backups, Bates or Shelton fills the spot. Matt Pryor can play there to. Davis will not be a problem, last year was unique because his mother died while living with him.
So realistically Odunze or trade back and opens other possibilities. If 3 #1 WRS are on the field Caleb will not need 4 seconds to get a throw off. I think average in the league last year was 2.47 seconds to get a pass off.
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7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I agree with all of that.
High side of rookies, for sure. And I also agree that just because I expect mistakes doesnt mean Caleb cant come out and just kill it from the start either. I wouldnt put any ceiling on this team. I dont expect a superbowl for us this year, and I wouldnt bet money on one but its not impossible. Starting now, nothing is.The over for game wins is 8.5. I am definitely getting some of that barring injuries.
Draft Day
in Bearstalk
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My prediction
1) Caleb Williams / QB
9) trade back with the Bengals for pick 18-49-149 they take Brock Bowers.
18) Chop Robinson/DE
49) Roman Wilson/WR
75)Kiran Amedgadjie/OT
122) Brennan Jackson/DE
149) Beaux Limmer/OC
Williams pick is obvious, Wilson can add to the WR room and take over for Allen when he leaves. Chop is only 21 and has lots of growth but can be a rotational DE his first year. Kiran and Limmer for depth and potential starters in the future.
Adding 2 DEs gives Walker the chance to take snaps inside at 3 T , where he has had most his sacks.