Stinger226
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1 hour ago, adam said:
Frank Ragnow, Lions Center, unexpectedly retired. Huge blow to their O-Line. They had already lost Zeitler, so 40% of their O-Line is gone.
I don't know why he waited until after free agency and the draft (maybe he tried to give it a go), but either way, you don't just replace an All-Pro Center with anyone. This feels like a huge offensive regression coming from Detroit this year. Goff with pressure up the gut is the worst for him because he is not very mobile.He has two more yrs on a contract that pays him a totaal of 30 mil but none of it was guaranteed and was trying to get the brass to rework the deal to give him some guaraanteed money. He was going to hold out but choose retirement to force their hand.
The Lions GM is nortorious for letting good players l go instead of paying big money. J Jackson and D Swift were a part of the GMs history. They drafted Ratledge and now have him listed as the starting OC. Lions back loaded Franks contract to have 30 mil left that he could cut him once he reached that. He saves 23 mil by letting him go now.
The situation is actually worse than just Ragnow being gone. Mahongany is now playing LG , a 6th round pick last year and at RG is Graham Glasgow, a 10 vet is now playing RG. That is 3 new starters in the IOL.
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This is the great website PFF QB rankings for 2025.
Caleb is ranked 24th under the heading Tier 4 (young players with range of potential outcome)
Ahead of him are #6 Jaydon Daniels ( tier 2: high end starters) a one year of play has him in elite status?
CJ Stroud #14 (tier 3b. solid starters that need more help) this is probably fair with both yrs of tape figured in
In the same tier 4 as Caleb 19) Bo Nix 20) Byrce Young 21) JJ McCarthy 22) Drake Maye 23) Michael Penix
They have at 25, one back of Caleb, a rookie that hasnt had a NFL snap Cameron Ward
Caleb had a respectful year, not great but much better than several names ahead of them. They have added more weapons, an OL and an offensive genius in BJ. Yet Caleb is listed behind them, WTF
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6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Yeah Im not pointing the finger at anyone here, I dont hear anyone here saying he is a true stud, obviously weve had discussions about future trades (or not!) for him, but Im not saying anyone is overstating him.
I dont know if I agree he has "good" hands or anything, BUT I was just saying that if Kmet plays well, I totally agree Johnson will know how to use them, and i was even thinking of some of what the Patriots did with Gronkowski and Hernandez when they had them both. So I agree there too.
I'm not betting the farm on Kmet, but I don't think it is impossible for him to play well. I just think he would have progressed more by now, so he's kind of topping out, way short of his expectations or contract, but if he DOES mature this offseason, having 2 TEs that can really play will be a fun toy for Johnson for sure.
I just think he's gonna have to show quick, this train is leaving the station, and they aren't gonna wait around for the light to come on for Kmet. I always though he had potential, but i think we all agree that so far, he hasn't really lived up to his draft status. I really hope he does! That would be an extra weapon Im not counting on right now, and Johnson would be even scarier with yet another dimension.I understand when you say Loveland is a better recieving TE than Kmet, but you keep saying he hasnt proven himself. He did that in 2023 which prompted his contract. 73/719/6 that was good for the 9th ranked TE that year. Last year his stats regressed when he had 35 less targets. He doesnt have good hands, he has great hands. Literally led TEs the last two years in catch rate.
No one is saying he is Kelce, Kittle or even Bowers but is a high end TE in the league.
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Has anyone verified this player is well liked by DA?
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7 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
The addition of Coleston Loveland...
He was ranked 23 . If you look at BJ run offenses, TE is an important position and if we're projecting, wouldnt you have Colston ranked higher than 23 ?
Last year LaPorta was ranked 6th. Cole Kmet was ranked 18th, Kincaid was 28th. Last year was a bad year for Kmet due to a dysfuntional offense and rookie QB. Taysom Hill was ranked 15th with 23 reception/ 187 yards/ 6 TDs
PFF just puts content out there that is hard to wrap your head around. If you projected a split in the total TE reps, I would say both would land in the midteens.
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5 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
Its just a few observations one day at OTAs. The only opinion I care about is Ben Johnsons.
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33 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
You know what Stinger? I think you're right.
I saw the story a few weeks ago, from several sources, but not any sources i really knew. And today i just googled it and pasted it without really reading it.
I re-reading, there is NO WAY we signed Bagent for $18M a year for 2 years! And as I looked futher, no reputable sources had it.
So I guess it's internet bullshit, and I have no problem saying you were right and I was wrong about this.
I had seen some opinion pieces in reputable places that said he would be in line for an extension, so when I saw the fake story, I just thought it was true - it wasnt particularly interesting, so i didnt dig into to it - but I should have. But 2 years $37.5M?? LOL no way.
So, I full admit you were right and I was wrong about this one.I have seen some things reported and jumped on it and then later found out it was wrong. Everyone has done that at some point in time.
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PFF came out with their TEs ranking for 2025. Kmet is ranked 29th. Kincaid 10th
Dalton Kincaid 2024 stats: 44 catches of 71 targets./448 yards- 2 TDs/ 2 drops/ 10.2 yards per reception
Cole Kmet 2024 stats: 47 of 55 targets/474 yards- 4 TDs / 1 drop/ 10.1 yards per reception
Dalton Kincaid 2023 stats: 71 of 93/ 673 yards- 2 TDs / 9.2 yards per reception
Cole Kmet 2023 stats: 73 of 90/ 719/ 6 TDs / 9.8 per reception
Kincaid had Josh Allen throwing to him. Kmet had Fields and Williams throwing to him.
Can someone explain had they graded this with Kmet clearly the better TE?
2 year totals Kincaid 116 of 164 / 1021 yards/ 4 TDs
Kmet 120 of 145 / 1193 yards and 10 TDs
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24 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
no its not the original contract anymore - they extended it, which means a new longer deal.
ISPORT and SPORT FIGUR are the only two sources that announced it. Tribune and Suntimes doesnt have stories about this. No Bear beatwriter reported it. No mention on the Bears team website. They have stories of Thuney, Gordon, and Jackson extensions, why wouldnt they report 2/ 37.5 mil salary that is one of the highest per yr contract on the team? In 2026 the year extenstions start, he would be the 4th hightest paid player on the team.
Im on Courtney Cronin X account and if you look at the first week of May, nothing mentioned.
this is the transactions reports on the Bears website for May . The stories are reported on May 8th.
Transactions
May 05/21 Signed OL Joe Thuney to two-year contract extension through 2027.
05/08 Signed DB Major Burns, DL Xavier Carlton, LB Power Echols, LS Luke Elkin, RB Deion Hankins, DB Tysheem Johnson, K Jonathan Kim, WR JP Richardson, DL Jereme Robinson and WR Jahdae Walker.
05/08 Signed DB Jeremiah Walker.
I think these reporters ( I have never heard of) may have mistaken Jeremiah Walker signing as a Tyson Bagent signing. He got 1 yr/ 840 thousand. -
1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
2026 Poles will have little wiggle room without working some magic. They won't be active in FA since they are already projected over the cap for 2026. I think at some point this year, they extend Brisker or Byard so there is some continuity going forward. I hope that udfa from Oregon can play. That would be a bonus. The draft will be RB, S, TE and NT just to fill open roster positions for losses to fa. At least the RB class is just as good if not better.
If the Bears want some extra cap and decide to trade Kmet to free up space, they will need to sign/draft 2 since they will already need to add 1, so that doesn't seem logical. TE is the second hardest position to learn after QB and you need experience. They might extend him and spread the salary out.
Braxton Jones has trade written all over him and I hope he comes back and plays well enough for interest. The trade will have to be a 2nd or 3rd, imo. We should get a 3rd comp if he signs elsewhere in fa.
As for Ian Cunningham getting a GM job, it would be in the Bears best interest to happen 2027 when they will need draft assests the most. If the Bears are hot this season, he will probably get his gig.
I also seen where Jeff King was interviewed for a GM job but dont remember the team. If they have success this year and King leaves (Adam) would we get a pick or do you have to be black to get the comp pick?
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
Yes, I JUST wrote "And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade."
cool
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
no its not the original contract anymore - they extended it, which means a new longer deal.
You may be right but both OTC and SpoTrac show him on a 3 year deal from 2023.
Tyson Bagent signed a 3 year, $2,720,000 contract with the Chicago Bears, including $25,000 signing bonus, $25,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $906,667. In 2025, Bagent will earn a base salary of $1,030,000, while carrying a cap hit of $1,038,334 and a dead cap value of $8,334.
the Bears website under team shows a heading (transactions) that list every transction done since the begining of the year and I cant find that extension.
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16 minutes ago, adam said:
Bagent signed a 3-year UDFA deal, so technically, he is not on a typical 4 or 5-year rookie deal. This is the last year of that deal.
What ever you want to call it, he is under the original deal when we first obtained him. He was a rookie when he signed it so I called it a rookie contract, I dont know of more technical names.
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13 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Here's an interesting idea. Im not saying it will happen, but it has occurred to me.
Given these facts:
Case Keenum has said in interviews that he had planned to retire before this offseason, and then he met with Ben Johnson, and that turned him around.
Keenum's primary role on this team is to mentor Caleb.
We just paid Tyson Bagent, extending his contract.
Roster spots are precious.
Is it possible that Keenum will transition from player to coach when we cut down the roster? I could see him as Caleb's mentor, and he doesnt need to be a player to do that.
Just thinking about stuff. Not saying i know it will happen, but it does fit the facts, and open a roster spot on the 53?
Tyson Bagent is still on his rookie contract, I think they like him so not sure they would put him on the PS. Clearly Keenum was brought in to help mentor Caleb and may end up on the 53 man roster. I think every rookie makes the 53. They will play with the roster to guess who can be put on the PS to make sure they dont lose him.
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6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
right, Im talking about the tradedowns after that. 3rd round and later.
I would have taken Ersery at 41, but if Trapilo works out, then that trade down was fantastic, and Turner (is that who you meant instead of Stewart?) is going to be great for us. So that trade down worked out OK *IF* Trapilo is good.
And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade.
Im talking about after that, when we let HBs go, traded down, and then saw them stolen right before we picked - I think that happened twice? Like we were going down our HB list, and kept getting played.
The question was more like KJ or Sketebo vs Rah the CB and someone else from the 5th round.Did you ever thing they didnt value Ersery as high as you did? If they valued him, they would have taken him. You think they moved back thinking they could still get him. Maybe they liked Trapilo more. The first four picks by their reactions, told me they wanted them, not settled for someone else. That is the reason they traded back. They also may not have seen RB as that critical of a need. That is what pundits projected.
We assume a lot of what they thought, wanted, and did. Its not any different than thinking they would have took Banks. Poles has no problem moving arouind to get players, moving a couple spots to get Banks was doable if that mattered. Im saying that wasnt their plan. In the war room video, at 9.47 BJ tells Colston, he played the highlight video before the draft to give the rest of the room a little insight on where they would go. That sounds like they intented to take him. Also At 9.10 Jeff King says that the more they watched film the more that knew Colston was the pick for them.
If I could see the Jeff King conversation, then I would understand your points. I have extensively looked and cant find it. Lots of tape of CC talking about the draft and who they liked, but I think more her opinion than repeating what Jeff King said. I know he had a press conference its just about how he worded statements.
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I think DA blitzes alot and does a lot of line stunts. Im not saying we are going to have low points scored against us but will produce more TOs and big plays.
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Since the Bears are not telling everything decision making in this draft , no one is right or wrong. I assume your talking about Ersery or a RB. They could have liked Ozzy more than Ersery but we will never know. Teams value players differently depending on how they think a player will fit their team. Everyone can be right because we will never know. I will say, Kyle Monongai was not their first, second or even 3rd choice for a RB. I still think he will ball out and none of it matters.
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I guess if I was part of Media,I would jump at anything to write about
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9 minutes ago, adam said:
and Patrick Finley asking one of the most ridiculous questions of all-time "Caleb, does your dad speak for you?"
Can you imagine asking a grown man this question and being serious about it? Our media has always been mixed, either super homer or super negative, but this is on an entirely new level of stupid. The media gets Caleb for only a few minutes to ask questions you can't get anywhere else and he felt it was necessary to get that answer?Besides that other media pundits praise Finley for asking the important questions. I would have just told Finley ,( you cant be serious with that question)
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i get that but Penix only played 5 games, McCarthy never played last year and rank higher. Cam Ward hasnt played one snap and is only one spot behind Caleb. He at least deserves to be ranked ahead of the top of tier 4 right behind Bo Nix.